Hair Loss With WEN Haircare?

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Though this is only anecdotal, some of the people posting about hair loss with WEN mentioned having virgin hair, not chemically processed at all, no coloring or dyes, etc. When they switched products the problem went away and their hair eventually grew back. There must be sensitivity to the ingredients. I'd suspect that whatever ingredient it is, must be something not often used in other hair care products. Which makes me suspect the menthol, for one. Could be a bunch of other things. The only thing I can say for sure, is that my hair loss was quite severe with WEN. Usually my hairdresser could hide my hair loss when she cut my hair…. but there grew a point where she couldn't, and it looked thin even with her being the miracle worker that she is. It was definitely at its worst using WEN. When I switched hair products (to b.s. and acv) she said my hair looked thicker. And now not straightening my hair any longer and being CG, it looks even thicker now.
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Though this is only anecdotal, some of the people posting about hair loss with WEN mentioned having virgin hair, not chemically processed at all, no coloring or dyes, etc. When they switched products the problem went away and their hair eventually grew back. There must be sensitivity to the ingredients. I'd suspect that whatever ingredient it is, must be something not often used in other hair care products. Which makes me suspect the menthol, for one. Could be a bunch of other things. The only thing I can say for sure, is that my hair loss was quite severe with WEN. Usually my hairdresser could hide my hair loss when she cut my hair…. but there grew a point where she couldn't, and it looked thin even with her being the miracle worker that she is. It was definitely at its worst using WEN. When I switched hair products (to b.s. and acv) she said my hair looked thicker. And now not straightening my hair any longer and being CG, it looks even thicker now.
Originally Posted by naturecat
Thanks for the input, I was not aware of that. Then, I stand corrected, it must be that there is an ingredient or combination of ingredients that are causing this on certain people.

The truth is, as most of us already know, that there is no "perfect" product that's going to be right for everybody. The shame here is that hair loss is no small thing, plus
Wen is pretty pricey so I definitely understand that no one expects something like that to happen.
Though this is only anecdotal, some of the people posting about hair loss with WEN mentioned having virgin hair, not chemically processed at all, no coloring or dyes, etc. When they switched products the problem went away and their hair eventually grew back. There must be sensitivity to the ingredients. I'd suspect that whatever ingredient it is, must be something not often used in other hair care products. Which makes me suspect the menthol, for one. Could be a bunch of other things. The only thing I can say for sure, is that my hair loss was quite severe with WEN. Usually my hairdresser could hide my hair loss when she cut my hair…. but there grew a point where she couldn't, and it looked thin even with her being the miracle worker that she is. It was definitely at its worst using WEN. When I switched hair products (to b.s. and acv) she said my hair looked thicker. And now not straightening my hair any longer and being CG, it looks even thicker now.
Originally Posted by naturecat
I am not in any way disputing individual experiences but .... don't forget when you switch to a new product you don't just ADD the new ingredients you also SUBTRACT the old ingredients. This in itself can affect scalp health and thus shed rates.

Alkaline agents like baking soda destroy the natural skin flora, good and bad guys, and may also saponify sebum. Certainly seborrhoeic dermatitis (malassezia yeast, feeds on fatty acids in sebum) is linked with hair loss, and some sufferers find co-washing unhelpful yet harsh anionics helpful in controlling their condition.

An example of the addition/ suibtraction issue ...
For several years I had a large patch of atopic eczema on my elbow, which I thought was worsened/ triggered by the air conditioning at my workplace. Then I started intensive use of unrefined shea butter and the results were nothing short of miraculous: better than my strong prescription corticosteroid cream. I did some research into the healing fraction and fatty acid composition.

Then I got lazy about using the shea butter, eczema returned with avengeance, discovered the CG method and switched to co-washing. The patch healed within a week never to return. Turns out SLES shampoo bubbles running down my arm was my trigger, of course I was washing my hair before work most days. It seems likely the water resistant shea butter had largely been acting as an effective barrier not some magical healing substance!! Needless to say I now use it as a barrier 'cream' when dying my hair and have switched my mother (SD/ atopic) to sulphate free.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 07-29-2014 at 04:38 AM.
Though this is only anecdotal, some of the people posting about hair loss with WEN mentioned having virgin hair, not chemically processed at all, no coloring or dyes, etc. When they switched products the problem went away and their hair eventually grew back. There must be sensitivity to the ingredients. I'd suspect that whatever ingredient it is, must be something not often used in other hair care products. Which makes me suspect the menthol, for one. Could be a bunch of other things. The only thing I can say for sure, is that my hair loss was quite severe with WEN. Usually my hairdresser could hide my hair loss when she cut my hair…. but there grew a point where she couldn't, and it looked thin even with her being the miracle worker that she is. It was definitely at its worst using WEN. When I switched hair products (to b.s. and acv) she said my hair looked thicker. And now not straightening my hair any longer and being CG, it looks even thicker now.
Originally Posted by naturecat
Yes, this would be my point exactly. As I mentioned, many women who have reported hair loss did indeed have virgin hair.
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I have heard of the over-protein thing with keratin and I'll be consulting my stylist about where is a good place to stop receiving them on my previously treated hair and only on new growth.
Keratin Treated Curly-Springy 3-B -3C Hair.
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Majorly healthy hair since my BC 09/2012!
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Though this is only anecdotal, some of the people posting about hair loss with WEN mentioned having virgin hair, not chemically processed at all, no coloring or dyes, etc. When they switched products the problem went away and their hair eventually grew back. There must be sensitivity to the ingredients. I'd suspect that whatever ingredient it is, must be something not often used in other hair care products. Which makes me suspect the menthol, for one. Could be a bunch of other things. The only thing I can say for sure, is that my hair loss was quite severe with WEN. Usually my hairdresser could hide my hair loss when she cut my hair…. but there grew a point where she couldn't, and it looked thin even with her being the miracle worker that she is. It was definitely at its worst using WEN. When I switched hair products (to b.s. and acv) she said my hair looked thicker. And now not straightening my hair any longer and being CG, it looks even thicker now.
Originally Posted by naturecat
I am truly sorry that you ended up enduring such. As, experiencing that level of hairloss definitely isn't normal. Thank goodness things started to get better after you switched products, and stopped using WEN. Even though the product works fine for me, i truly sympathize with each and every individual that has experienced excesive hairloss due to WEN.
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Currently Using All Natural Products:

Shea Moisture Curl & Shine Shampoo
Shea Moisture Curl & Shine Conditioner ( I do use it with steam to DC with)
100% Pure Marula Oil (from Sally's Marula Collection)
Camille Rose Naturals Curl Maker
Camille Rose Naturals Almond Jai Twist Butter
Camille Rose Naturals Curlaide Moisture Butter
Has anyone who has experience hair loss from using WEN continued to lose hair for 3-4 days after stopping?

I co-washed my hair with Aussie 3-Minute Miracle this morning in hopes of imparting some moisture as a new characteristic has popped up; a streaky/stripped/dry feeling! I combed as I usually do and my shedding is only slightly better.

And if so is there anything in particular you did to stop it? I haven't been able to make my appointment or even purchase a clarifier as I am low on cash right now.
Keratin Treated Curly-Springy 3-B -3C Hair.
Last Relaxer was August, 2011!
--
Majorly healthy hair since my BC 09/2012!
My hair goal is reached! Tresses I can maintain on my own!
Has anyone who has experience hair loss from using WEN continued to lose hair for 3-4 days after stopping?

I co-washed my hair with Aussie 3-Minute Miracle this morning in hopes of imparting some moisture as a new characteristic has popped up; a streaky/stripped/dry feeling! I combed as I usually do and my shedding is only slightly better.

And if so is there anything in particular you did to stop it? I haven't been able to make my appointment or even purchase a clarifier as I am low on cash right now
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Originally Posted by The cUrLY Mess
I'm not trying to be a downer here, but I think you are being impatient. Now, I know you are not me, but when I have a reaction to a product (and there have been *lots*) it can sometimes take *months* for my skin to calm down. Average is 2 to 3 months for me.

As far as hair goes, I was having problems with the nape area tangling bad on me. I'd detangle it and seconds later it was tangled again. I started using different products and while there was improvement from the first use, it took about 6 weeks before I really noticed that the hair back there finally calmed down, would detangle easily and stay untangled.

While I do think that my body does take longer than normal to get over things, I still say give it at least a month to really see an effectual change.
Very fine, high porosity, currently dyed and growing out the relaxed portions. I'm pretty sure my hair's 3b something IIRC. We will be finding out for sure as time goes by.

It's official: My hair just loves Shea Moisture. I use a mixture of products from the Raw Shea Butter, African Black Soap, and Coconut & Hibiscus lines.

Last edited by Zeldahime; 07-29-2014 at 03:38 PM. Reason: typo
Has anyone who has experience hair loss from using WEN continued to lose hair for 3-4 days after stopping?

I co-washed my hair with Aussie 3-Minute Miracle this morning in hopes of imparting some moisture as a new characteristic has popped up; a streaky/stripped/dry feeling! I combed as I usually do and my shedding is only slightly better.

And if so is there anything in particular you did to stop it? I haven't been able to make my appointment or even purchase a clarifier as I am low on cash right now
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Originally Posted by The cUrLY Mess
I'm not trying to be a downer here, but I think you are being impatient. Now, I know you are not me, but when I have a reaction to a product (and there have been *lots*) it can sometimes take *months* for my skin to calm down. Average is 2 to 3 months for me.

As far as hair goes, I was having problems with the nape area tangling bad on me. I'd detangle it and seconds later it was tangled again. I started using different products and while there was improvement from the first use, it took about 6 weeks before I really noticed that the hair back there finally calmed down, would detangle easily and stay untangled.

While I do think that my body does take longer than normal to get over things, I still say give it at least a month to really see an effectual change.
Originally Posted by Zeldahime
I wouldn't say impatient, as I find that a rude assumption... you have to think, you have no idea whether or not I have experienced something like this before, or how quickly or slowly I tend to heal, my current frame of mind, ETC. Impatience has little to do with it, @ this point I am somewhat panicked and thoroughly exploring my options.

For one, I actually have never had an allergic reaction on my scalp, period. So I have no idea how long is a reasonable amount of time, all I know for a fact is I am loosing clumps of hair by the day and in a months time I will have bald spots or extreme thinning at the LEAST for sure, no matter how dense my hair is. I actually would have expected a few days after discontinuing a product for the irritation to stop, a week at most. I'm just trying to gather a little database, so to speak, as something to gauge my continuing damage by. Especially if there's a possibility there is something someone has used that stopped their damage.

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In terms of your damage, do you remember what product you used that helped the tangling at your nape?
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Last Relaxer was August, 2011!
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Last edited by The cUrLY Mess; 07-29-2014 at 04:43 PM.
I think the problem here is nobody knows *why* you are shedding additional hair: whether the hair is going straight from growth phase to shed or through the normal dormant phase, what is going on at the follicular level, what the diagnosis is (seborrhoeic, allergic contact, irritant contact dermatitis, etc). We don't even know for certain if haircare is the culprit or if this is a coincidence, that is merely your working theory.

If you *may* have some form of dermatitis the best thing you can do for yourself is modify your lifestyle (especially diet) to make it as anti inflammatory and nutrient dense as possible. This can help calm inappropriate immune responses, speed healing, balance hormones. Panicking/ stress/ anxiety is a pro-inflammatory state.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I wouldn't say impatient, as I find that a rude assumption... you have to think, you have no idea whether or not I have experienced something like this before, or how quickly or slowly I tend to heal, my current frame of mind, ETC. Impatience has little to do with it, @ this point I am somewhat panicked and thoroughly exploring my options.

For one, I actually have never had an allergic reaction on my scalp, period. So I have no idea how long is a reasonable amount of time, all I know for a fact is I am loosing clumps of hair by the day and in a months time I will have bald spots or extreme thinning at the LEAST for sure, no matter how dense my hair is. I actually would have expected a few days after discontinuing a product for the irritation to stop, a week at most. I'm just trying to gather a little database, so to speak, as something to gauge my continuing damage by. Especially if there's a possibility there is something someone has used that stopped their damage.

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In terms of your damage, do you remember what product you used that helped the tangling at your nape?
Originally Posted by The cUrLY Mess


I do understand and sympathise with your situation. I have permanent hair loss on the right side of my head from complications (infections) resulting from using products that I was allergic to. I agree with Firefox that panicking isn't going to help much. At this point, all I see helping is time along with the suggestions Firefox made.

As for the tangling issue, yes I do remember b/c I still use it: Shea Moisture Raw Shea Butter Restorative Conditioner. I always figured before trying it that this product would be too heavy for my hair. (Too many oils/butters and not enough conditioners) I was wrong. I always knew I had high porosity hair, but it seems it's still even more porous that I had initially thought.
Very fine, high porosity, currently dyed and growing out the relaxed portions. I'm pretty sure my hair's 3b something IIRC. We will be finding out for sure as time goes by.

It's official: My hair just loves Shea Moisture. I use a mixture of products from the Raw Shea Butter, African Black Soap, and Coconut & Hibiscus lines.
Has anyone who has experience hair loss from using WEN continued to lose hair for 3-4 days after stopping?

I co-washed my hair with Aussie 3-Minute Miracle this morning in hopes of imparting some moisture as a new characteristic has popped up; a streaky/stripped/dry feeling! I combed as I usually do and my shedding is only slightly better.

And if so is there anything in particular you did to stop it? I haven't been able to make my appointment or even purchase a clarifier as I am low on cash right now.
Originally Posted by The cUrLY Mess
Hopefully this will make you feel better…. back when I frequented boards that posted about this problem (in response to my own problems with WEN), it typically took few months for the hair to grow back. After hair falls, it takes a month for it to noticeably thicken (that's the length when short hairs become noticeable usually). And the scalp has to calm down too. So I would think that only a few days later, it's normal to still have symptoms, if they are indeed stemming from WEN. Is there anything in the past you've found to soothe your scalp (that you know your scalp reacts well to it)? When your scalp has calmed down a bit maybe consider doing a scalp treatment and/or scalp exfoliating scrub. Personally I found aloe vera straight from the plant to feel amazing. Also my own homemade sea kelp bioferment and homemade rosemary tea were soothing on my scalp. But if you haven't tried these before it may be wise to hold off trying something new. Turmeric is noted to be helpful but I've only tried eating it, not wearing it. Oh actually, I did use it for a face mask and it is very anti inflammatory. Some people use sugar for scalp exfoliation but I've not tried that before.

Also, I have additional experience having my scalp be irritated by something they use in my town's water. Others with the same problem took months or even a full year for their hair to regrow. So you're in the normal range, and it takes time, but most people with this problem seemed to report everything growing back.
If you *may* have some form of dermatitis the best thing you can do for yourself is modify your lifestyle (especially diet) to make it as anti inflammatory and nutrient dense as possible. This can help calm inappropriate immune responses, speed healing, balance hormones. Panicking/ stress/ anxiety is a pro-inflammatory state.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
That said do you think that taking a hair, nails and skin supplement will give a decent boost to my scalp to aid in immune responses and what not? And wouldn't there be other symptoms, such as redness, peeling, itchiness or tenderness of the scalp if it was a dermatitis?

As for the tangling issue, yes I do remember b/c I still use it: Shea Moisture Raw Shea Butter Restorative Conditioner. I always figured before trying it that this product would be too heavy for my hair. (Too many oils/butters and not enough conditioners) I was wrong. I always knew I had high porosity hair, but it seems it's still even more porous that I had initially thought.
Originally Posted by Zeldahime
I'm not surprised as the only product in my current arsenal that has alleviated some of the dry/streaky feeling is Shea Moisture's SHEA hair masque and like you said, the Restorative conditioner. I'm thinking that sticking with Shea Moisture may be my best bet as my skin is familiar with them products and they seems to coat my scalp and hair for protection.

Hopefully this will make you feel better…. back when I frequented boards that posted about this problem (in response to my own problems with WEN), it typically took few months for the hair to grow back. After hair falls, it takes a month for it to noticeably thicken (that's the length when short hairs become noticeable usually). And the scalp has to calm down too. So I would think that only a few days later, it's normal to still have symptoms, if they are indeed stemming from WEN. Is there anything in the past you've found to soothe your scalp (that you know your scalp reacts well to it)? When your scalp has calmed down a bit maybe consider doing a scalp treatment and/or scalp exfoliating scrub. Personally I found aloe vera straight from the plant to feel amazing. Also my own homemade sea kelp bioferment and homemade rosemary tea were soothing on my scalp. But if you haven't tried these before it may be wise to hold off trying something new. Turmeric is noted to be helpful but I've only tried eating it, not wearing it. Oh actually, I did use it for a face mask and it is very anti inflammatory. Some people use sugar for scalp exfoliation but I've not tried that before.

Also, I have additional experience having my scalp be irritated by something they use in my town's water. Others with the same problem took months or even a full year for their hair to regrow. So you're in the normal range, and it takes time, but most people with this problem seemed to report everything growing back.
Originally Posted by naturecat
Thank you for the encouragement. Actually I recently used the rest of my Shea Moisture Shea Butter line and it seemed to give my hair back some softness and moisture, but I'm not sure about the scalp part as my scalp isn't tender, red, itchy ETC. Were there any noticeable differences on your scalp itself after WEN?
Keratin Treated Curly-Springy 3-B -3C Hair.
Last Relaxer was August, 2011!
--
Majorly healthy hair since my BC 09/2012!
My hair goal is reached! Tresses I can maintain on my own!

Thank you for the encouragement. Actually I recently used the rest of my Shea Moisture Shea Butter line and it seemed to give my hair back some softness and moisture, but I'm not sure about the scalp part as my scalp isn't tender, red, itchy ETC. Were there any noticeable differences on your scalp itself after WEN?
Originally Posted by The cUrLY Mess
Tough to say, as I don't remember (it was over a year and a half ago at this point). But my hair kept shedding excessively for quite some time, so I imagine so. Oh also I remember it made my scalp itch. So probably yes. And lots of posters on those boards had scalp issues with WEN. My guess is that scalp inflammation is to blame (but I can't be sure). So putting anti inflammatory things on the scalp may help (just do a patch skin test first to make sure you won't get more problems). I saw you mentioned supplements. I *just* started taking biosil (cheapest online from amazon). Too early to say if it helps… you need at least a month, if not a few more, to see a difference. I'm unsure if it helps scalp irritation specifically though.

I wanted to edit to add: scalp issues aren't always noticeable. Some people said it was only their hair with the WEN but my feeling is, it's always at least a little bit of both hair and scalp when hair becomes unhealthy. To help with your shed factor, you could do things to make your hair grow thicker and faster. I've done several of those things lately and they seem to be helping. At a recent dr.'s visit, the dr complained I had a lot of hair that was in the way. He didn't know it, but he made my day, haha.

Last edited by naturecat; 07-29-2014 at 09:20 PM.
Aloe vera straight from the plant contains enzymes/ proteins and has been linked to allergic reactions in the published literature. Use standardised inner leaf gel which is considered hypoallergenic.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Aloe vera straight from the plant contains enzymes/ proteins and has been linked to allergic reactions in the published literature. Use standardised inner leaf gel which is considered hypoallergenic.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
What would be the best way to apply the gel? Mix with a conditioner, or part the hair in sections and apply to the revealed scalp?
Keratin Treated Curly-Springy 3-B -3C Hair.
Last Relaxer was August, 2011!
--
Majorly healthy hair since my BC 09/2012!
My hair goal is reached! Tresses I can maintain on my own!

That said do you think that taking a hair, nails and skin supplement will give a decent boost to my scalp to aid in immune responses and what not? And wouldn't there be other symptoms, such as redness, peeling, itchiness or tenderness of the scalp if it was a dermatitis?
Originally Posted by The cUrLY Mess
Dermatitis simply means inflammation of the skin, the inflammatory processes can be micro/ at the cellular level or macro/ visible to the naked eye depending on the severity. Topical irritation and topical allergies fall under dermatitis, as does atopic eczema and seborrhoeic (common greasy dandruff).

Supplements are just that, a supplement to a balanced diet. Hair skin and nails pills are not balanced, may worsen existing dietary imbalances, few contain any anti inflammatory components (eg. fish body oils) and cannot offset a pro inflammatory diet. There is no substitute for good lifestyle choices.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Aloe vera straight from the plant contains enzymes/ proteins and has been linked to allergic reactions in the published literature. Use standardised inner leaf gel which is considered hypoallergenic.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
What would be the best way to apply the gel? Mix with a conditioner, or part the hair in sections and apply to the revealed scalp?
Originally Posted by The cUrLY Mess
I personally took the inner gel filet, threw it in the blender (added a little water if necessary for processing), and put the juice on my scalp and hair. My hair loved it, and so did my scalp. I've gotta get back to doing that one of these days. Anyways I imagine you can also add the juice to something else and apply it to your scalp, just like you'd use store bought. But I found the fresh to feel so much more soothing and helpful to my hair than store bought.

I also assume, for the person who mentioned allergies, etc, they are referring to the yellow "latex" type material that is just under the skin. I've only found clear or rose colored filet inside. As long as you stick to that, it's the same stuff they sell in the stores when they say "inner filet."

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