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Wow it has been a very long time since I have been on here. I gave up on my hair a year ago. It was not curling right the longer it got, one side was flat and stringy and the other side was full and curly. Then when my hair grew a little past my shoulders it was straight! So last year I cut my hair off to a pixie cut and its almost completely straight. I really do not know what to do. Do i grow my hair out again and hope it curls nicely? Do i keep it short and straighten it? Or do i let it grow just a little and have a curly pixie, maybe get a slight perm? Here is how my hair looked 1 month into CG when I first joined in 2012 http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9fae77fc.jpg
Then when it grew past my shoulders http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...pse571358e.jpg
And this is today after my first cowash since I cut my hair to a pixie http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a630/OrdinaryDay3/DSCI0112_zpsf275845a.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...pscd08a2b8.jpg

So at this point I don't know what to do. I'm very close to just giving up on my curly hair for good and keeping it short and straight..
2c/3a with some 2b-fine/coarse-iii-low porosity-normal elasticity
Started CG 10/16/12
Co-Wash
:
Vo5 Kiwi Lime
Conditioner: Tresemme Naturals
Styling Products: La Bella Lots of Curls gel
OK, your hair is not straight. My wave (what there is of it) doesn't start until after my ears. When I was pixie cut for million years THAT is what I wanted. When your hair is straight, no matter how you layer or texture the pixie, it falls into a bowl unless you use 42 billion products and a blow dryer and then a curling iron. All that movement you have there! It's adorable. So, I don't have an answer for you on what to do, (I mean, why not grow it a little and see what you've got, I mean, you can *always* cut it.) but I assure you that is not straight and it has wonderful movement.
I'm sorry, I think your hair is so cute!

If my hair did that when it was short, I'd totally wear it like that all the time. I love the idea of shorter hair... I think finding the right cut for our particular curly/wavy patterns is really the key, but I think yours is just adorable. I have hair jealousy!
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


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First off, you had some great curls so I understand your frustration. What I cannot understand is how if your hair curled so beautifully when mid-length why you didn't go back to that instead of doing something so radical like a pixie cut. If it was for the change as well, cool, most of us like change from time to time. But I can definitely see "curl" there like Chupie said, so there's more to this than we can get from your post.

I'm wondering if there were any changes in your life that may have slipped from your attention, or you may not have considered that they could relate to the changes in your hair, like moving (and a possible change of water), changes in your health, menstrual cycle, diet, stress, etc. Sometimes things we won't think are related do have a strong influence in how our hair behaves. You also do not mention if you tried to do anything differently once your hair grew longer, like changing products or styling techniques. I am just sure you didn't go from curly one day and wavy the very next, there must've been a process there...

So I'm hoping you'll do a bit more thinking and
hopefully come back to us with some more details that might shed light on this "disappearing curl mistery".
OK, your hair is not straight. My wave (what there is of it) doesn't start until after my ears. When I was pixie cut for million years THAT is what I wanted. When your hair is straight, no matter how you layer or texture the pixie, it falls into a bowl unless you use 42 billion products and a blow dryer and then a curling iron. All that movement you have there! It's adorable. So, I don't have an answer for you on what to do, (I mean, why not grow it a little and see what you've got, I mean, you can *always* cut it.) but I assure you that is not straight and it has wonderful movement.
Originally Posted by chupie
Thank you. That little bit of wave stays as long as i don't touch my hair after i style it. I'm thinking about just growing it out and hoping for the best.

I'm sorry, I think your hair is so cute!

If my hair did that when it was short, I'd totally wear it like that all the time. I love the idea of shorter hair... I think finding the right cut for our particular curly/wavy patterns is really the key, but I think yours is just adorable. I have hair jealousy!
Originally Posted by SpiralHam
Aw thanks! I am sure your hair is gorgeous. It probably does have to do with the hair cut.

First off, you had some great curls so I understand your frustration. What I cannot understand is how if your hair curled so beautifully when mid-length why you didn't go back to that instead of doing something so radical like a pixie cut. If it was for the change as well, cool, most of us like change from time to time. But I can definitely see "curl" there like Chupie said, so there's more to this than we can get from your post.

I'm wondering if there were any changes in your life that may have slipped from your attention, or you may not have considered that they could relate to the changes in your hair, like moving (and a possible change of water), changes in your health, menstrual cycle, diet, stress, etc. Sometimes things we won't think are related do have a strong influence in how our hair behaves. You also do not mention if you tried to do anything differently once your hair grew longer, like changing products or styling techniques. I am just sure you didn't go from curly one day and wavy the very next, there must've been a process there...

So I'm hoping you'll do a bit more thinking and
hopefully come back to us with some more details that might shed light on this "disappearing curl mistery".
Originally Posted by CGSince2002
Well I primarily cut it all off to begin with because i was annoyed with how it looked and i ended up seeing a cute pixie cut so I just got it cut off.

No life changes at all. I kept my routine exactly the same as my hair grew. But I noticed the longer it got the less curly it became. Which really frustrates me because I don't want to be stuck with having to have mid length hair just so my hair will curl nicely. When my hair is really short it has some wave to it and as it grows it gets curler but then when it gets past mid neck it starts losing the curl. I don't understand how that's possible.
2c/3a with some 2b-fine/coarse-iii-low porosity-normal elasticity
Started CG 10/16/12
Co-Wash
:
Vo5 Kiwi Lime
Conditioner: Tresemme Naturals
Styling Products: La Bella Lots of Curls gel
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,073
Well, if there were no changes, then what you might have to change is your routine as the wave/curl is obviously still there. It's important to keep in mind that as the hair gets longer it also gets older, and older hair becomes more porous at the ends and has different needs.

Very likely what your hair may have needed at the time was a lot of protein, at least on the lower half. That, 9 times out of 10, returns elasticity to "tired" hair, also increases moisture retention, both of which are essential for hair to be able to curl properly. But in the end, it's entirely up to you what length you want to have and/or whether you want to work with what you have or "fight" it by straightening by artificial means...
Well, if there were no changes, then what you might have to change is your routine as the wave/curl is obviously still there. It's important to keep in mind that as the hair gets longer it also gets older, and older hair becomes more porous at the ends and has different needs.

Very likely what your hair may have needed at the time was a lot of protein, at least on the lower half. That, 9 times out of 10, returns elasticity to "tired" hair, also increases moisture retention, both of which are essential for hair to be able to curl properly. But in the end, it's entirely up to you what length you want to have and/or whether you want to work with what you have or "fight" it by straightening by artificial means...
Originally Posted by CGSince2002
That makes sense. How do you know if your hair needs protein and if it does what do you do about it? Cause if that is the issue I will be so happy to know its fixable. My hair is so touchy. Even when it curled nice I couldn't touch it or comb it because i would lose the curls until i washed it again and usually by the end of the day anyway my curls would all fall flat. I feel like my curl pattern is so weak. Is that a lack of protein?
2c/3a with some 2b-fine/coarse-iii-low porosity-normal elasticity
Started CG 10/16/12
Co-Wash
:
Vo5 Kiwi Lime
Conditioner: Tresemme Naturals
Styling Products: La Bella Lots of Curls gel
I also have fine hair (but high porosity). My curls tend to fall flat over time if I don't use a hard hold gel, especially if I mess with them too much, go out in the wind, take a nap on them, get rained on, or look at them the wrong way

My hair eats protein for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And then a midnight snack. But I'm given to understand that if hair doesn't like protein, when you use a product containing protein, it feels rough or dry or like straw. Mine just feels happy and silky, but it doesn't care for every protein under the sun (keratin, for example, I don't like in my hair, which seems stupid since hair is made up of keratin, but it likes collagen and vegetable protein). Start cheap and small and don't invest a lot in it at the beginning - fine hair tends to like it and coarse doesn't, always exceptions to the general rule, and you'll have to find out what plays nicely with your strands.

I started with a watered down version of IAGirl's gelatin protein treatment and moved on from there. It's a cheap way to find out. I also like V05's Kiwi Lime conditioner - cheap and with a good shot of collagen. I can use it as my CO and my RO right now.

Keep a good conditioner on hand; sometimes protein can leave you feeling a little dry (and especially if your hair ends up objecting to it - this is why you want to start with a lower concentration). If your hair hates it the effects will be temporary - you haven't caused any permanent damage. Just treat it nicely.

Also - over time our curl patterns can change due to hormones, etc. (That probably isn't what you want to hear!) It's something to keep in mind. I have multiple curl patterns all over and while I wish I could make them all the same, they just aren't going to do that. So I make the best of what I've got.

Keep experimenting. You can always cut longer hair back if you hate how it's turning out as it grows!

I still love your waves
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,073
CurlyUnique:

Ugh, I don't know why the site would't let me post, since last night it keeps saying my message's too long even after removing all the quotes... So I'll put one part here:

Hair is mainly made of protein (keratin), so any "deficiency" is going to affect just about everything in it. One of the signs is exactly what you saw: loss of curl. Also, if the hair seems flat, lacking volume/thickness and/or shows unusual breakage you need to feed it protein. Hair that is processed in any way (chemically or thermally), should be on a steady protein diet. Lack of protein affects elasticity and moisture retention, the fact that your hair lost curl at the end of the day and couldn't stand any manipulation indicates to me it didn't have much elasticity (because it wouldn't "bounce" back), so it's a good bet to say you can prevent that in the future by doing regular protein DTs.

Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,073
Here's the rest of my message:


An easy and inexpensive one many curlies here have tried with good results is the unflavored gelatin treatment, otherwise known as "IAgirl's treatment" which you can find here. Gelatin is basically hydrolyzed collagen, which is the best for restoring elasticity. I would also recommend that you co-wash with VO5 KLS, which has a good bit of it, you could also use it as a LI, adding a bit of oil if needed. But it's good to try different types of protein (i.e., keratin, soy, wheat, silk, etc.) or rotate them because they all offer different benefits and/or may not agree with every type of hair.

You may also want to boost protein from the inside by making sure you get a bit of extra protein in your diet (or a digestive enzyme to make sure you're breaking it down and absorbing it properly), and maybe a silica supplement. (I just found this one at a local Dollar Tree 3 days ago and bought 4 bottles because I'm going to regrow my hair!)
. Btw, my hair is very much like yours, fin-i-cky! But it's fine and I color it so it never has enough protein.

P.S. I see that Spiralham "beat me to the punch" so you already know about the gelatin treatment! Sorry for the repeat but I didn't get a chance to read her post, all I was concerned about was WHY I was being told to trim my message to 1,000 characters when I've posted others way longer than this...

Last edited by CGSince2002; 08-08-2014 at 06:36 PM.
I also have fine hair (but high porosity). My curls tend to fall flat over time if I don't use a hard hold gel, especially if I mess with them too much, go out in the wind, take a nap on them, get rained on, or look at them the wrong way

My hair eats protein for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And then a midnight snack. But I'm given to understand that if hair doesn't like protein, when you use a product containing protein, it feels rough or dry or like straw. Mine just feels happy and silky, but it doesn't care for every protein under the sun (keratin, for example, I don't like in my hair, which seems stupid since hair is made up of keratin, but it likes collagen and vegetable protein). Start cheap and small and don't invest a lot in it at the beginning - fine hair tends to like it and coarse doesn't, always exceptions to the general rule, and you'll have to find out what plays nicely with your strands.

I started with a watered down version of IAGirl's gelatin protein treatment and moved on from there. It's a cheap way to find out. I also like V05's Kiwi Lime conditioner - cheap and with a good shot of collagen. I can use it as my CO and my RO right now.

Keep a good conditioner on hand; sometimes protein can leave you feeling a little dry (and especially if your hair ends up objecting to it - this is why you want to start with a lower concentration). If your hair hates it the effects will be temporary - you haven't caused any permanent damage. Just treat it nicely.

Also - over time our curl patterns can change due to hormones, etc. (That probably isn't what you want to hear!) It's something to keep in mind. I have multiple curl patterns all over and while I wish I could make them all the same, they just aren't going to do that. So I make the best of what I've got.

Keep experimenting. You can always cut longer hair back if you hate how it's turning out as it grows!

I still love your waves
Originally Posted by SpiralHam
Thank you! That was very informative. I will have to look into getting a protein treatment. I am hoping that is the issue and my curl pattern hasn't changed. I have had curly hair since I was a baby but the older I've gotten the more finicky the curls have became. Maybe that has to do with lack of protein.
CurlyUnique:

Ugh, I don't know why the site would't let me post, since last night it keeps saying my message's too long even after removing all the quotes... So I'll put one part here:

Hair is mainly made of protein (keratin), so any "deficiency" is going to affect just about everything in it. One of the signs is exactly what you saw: loss of curl. Also, if the hair seems flat, lacking volume/thickness and/or shows unusual breakage you need to feed it protein. Hair that is processed in any way (chemically or thermally), should be on a steady protein diet. Lack of protein affects elasticity and moisture retention, the fact that your hair lost curl at the end of the day and couldn't stand any manipulation indicates to me it didn't have much elasticity (because it wouldn't "bounce" back), so it's a good bet to say you can prevent that in the future by doing regular protein DTs.

Here's the rest of my message:


An easy and inexpensive one many curlies here have tried with good results is the unflavored gelatin treatment, otherwise known as "IAgirl's treatment" which you can find here. Gelatin is basically hydrolyzed collagen, which is the best for restoring elasticity. I would also recommend that you co-wash with VO5 KLS, which has a good bit of it, you could also use it as a LI, adding a bit of oil if needed. But it's good to try different types of protein (i.e., keratin, soy, wheat, silk, etc.) or rotate them because they all offer different benefits and/or may not agree with every type of hair.

You may also want to boost protein from the inside by making sure you get a bit of extra protein in your diet (or a digestive enzyme to make sure you're breaking it down and absorbing it properly), and maybe a silica supplement. (I just found this one at a local Dollar Tree 3 days ago and bought 4 bottles because I'm going to regrow my hair!)
. Btw, my hair is very much like yours, fin-i-cky! But it's fine and I color it so it never has enough protein.

P.S. I see that Spiralham "beat me to the punch" so you already know about the gelatin treatment! Sorry for the repeat but I didn't get a chance to read her post, all I was concerned about was WHY I was being told to trim my message to 1,000 characters when I've posted others way longer than this...
Originally Posted by CGSince2002
So the loss of curl by the end of the day and any touching that would make the curls seem to vanish is because a lack of protein? Interesting. That makes me feel so much better. I was starting to think that is just my curl pattern and I am either stuck with it or I would have to perm it to get a stronger curl pattern. It was really starting to frustrate me. For example even when i had like 3a curls in some sections when I would extend the curl it would not even bounce back (no spring factor at all) which worried me because it used to do that when I was younger, lack of protein it is sounding like. My hair has been dyed, so that makes it need protein too. I will read about that gelatin treatment, I do not want to spend a lot on a protein treatment until I know for sure that is what my hair is lacking. I will look into that conditioner as well. Thank you!
2c/3a with some 2b-fine/coarse-iii-low porosity-normal elasticity
Started CG 10/16/12
Co-Wash
:
Vo5 Kiwi Lime
Conditioner: Tresemme Naturals
Styling Products: La Bella Lots of Curls gel
Okay, so I did a protein treatment on my hair and I will say I am very happy with how my hair looks! It actually makes me excited to grow it out! I had no idea my hair could curl/wave this much at this length... I hope this is not a fluke.
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9a70d373.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9349f532.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4e4d9421.jpg
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2c/3a with some 2b-fine/coarse-iii-low porosity-normal elasticity
Started CG 10/16/12
Co-Wash
:
Vo5 Kiwi Lime
Conditioner: Tresemme Naturals
Styling Products: La Bella Lots of Curls gel
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,073
Very cute! Well, do you think now that I knew what I was talking about "doubting Thomas"?
HI I just found this while looking for answers myself. It seems you and I have wave pattern 2a and that's what it does. It's very wavy the day it's washed and then second day it's practically straight. I've been to the curly salons and had diva trained stylist cut my hair and this is what hair we have. Your'e hair is gorgeous and shiny because it's 2a it's closer to the straighter side and that's why it's shiny and looses curl so fast. Because my hair is not super curly I could no longer afford those salons so now I just get regular layered cut and he does a wonderful job. The diva cut is great if you have super curly hair which I don't and I don't like product in my hair I like it more natural. In my opinion if you have to manipulate it that much to form a slight curl so that we can believe we have curly hair when we really have wavy/straight hair it was too much for me. 2a is not curly it's wavy/straight and that's why your curl pattern falls after a certain length. I'm trying to grow my hair long and it's lost allot of it's wave pattern because that's the texture. The best part about 2a hair it's the natural beachy look that most girls want. Your hair is very pretty let it grow so you can show off it's beauty and shine. My diva trained stylist told me that 2a wavy is not frizzy because there is no curl and it's very shiny because it's closer to the straighter side. I've learned to love it and what's better than wash and go.

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