Hair falls after SOTC--need advice

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My hair has been falling flat lately, esp after I SOTC. I could use some advice on possible reasons for this, as well as how to remedy it.

When I diffuse my hair it curls nicely with shrinkage (which is good for me), but then falls out and lengthens again, with ringlets turning into loose big waves. I suspect, but am unsure, that it has to do with product use. I used to put almost no product on my lo po hair, and now with high porosity hair I've been drowning my hair in product (and the products I use are in my siggy). This includes putting more product than normal on my roots, and using a quite thick FSG which I douse my hair in. Is it possible that using more product requires an even stronger hold?

I'm not sure if I can get stronger hold; my gelatin gel is the entire packet in 1/2 cup water. It's quite difficult to get it to soften enough to put in my hair as it is, and I find that if I melt it completely, the hold is weaker. I may try okra gel again in place of FSG; does it generally provide better hold than FSG? Or does anyone have good advice about making the gelatin stronger yet getting it soft enough to smooth into hair? Also I put two drops of essential oil in my gelatin to help seal my hair, but I wonder if it weighs it down. My hair does seem to need some sort of seal and straight up oil is too much.

Also I was wondering…. I use a light spray leave in but not true leave in (tried a little of that today), mostly out of fear of weighing down my curls. Would using a leave in help me cut down on FSG and ultimately weigh down my hair less? Perhaps I should revisit agar agar or kudzu gel (although I remember that kudzu was maybe better for thicker hair).

One last thing is I'm chemically sensitive, so commercial products are difficult unless chemical free (or food grade preservatives). Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated, TIA.

2B/2C/f/i
Baby fine brown hair
Former lo po/now super high porosity, fried dry hair
Current styling products: FSG, gelatin hair gel, AOSB leave in and curl activator
Sealing: BC curl activating cream for babies, or JC nourish and Shine
Treatments: teas, henna, hydrogen peroxide
Hair loves protein, protein, and for dessert, more protein.
Homemake hair products.
Sealing with essential oils might work for you, but I've often seen that they aren't actually oily. It's not actually oil, most of them are just distilled plants. Even if they might feel a bit oil, they often quickly evaporate. On a day where you won't be going anywhere, maybe try to increase the amount of gelatin gel you use for a stronger hold. Also, this might not be your case at all, but I've noticed for my that if a large section of my hair decides to curl together, it goes wavy and sometimes ends of kinda falling/going frizzy late on, but if I have same sections (about the width of your pinky finger) they curl into ringlets and stay that way. Maybe try getting your hair to curl in different size sections? Or once it's dry (on a day you won't be going out or can just tie it if it looks bad) you can try seperating the sections and just running wet hands over each.

Since you are no longer low porosity and use a lot more products, it might just be one of those which no longer works for you. Try removing or switching for a couple washes to see if that helps.
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3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair width hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo
  • Dr. Mercola Revitalizing Conditioner (also as leave-in)
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Currently trying flaxseed gel +gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight


You mentioned your hair was low-po and is now high . . . I'm assuming you used chemicals / heat / dye or something?

If so, you could have damaged your hair, and so that would explain the looser pattern and why it doesn't hold the tighter curl like it used to.
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Allie

3A with some 3B thrown in. Medium porosity. High density. Low-medium thickness.


Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: Shea Moisture Coconut & Hibiscus Curl & Shine
Conditioner: Faith in Nature or
Shea Moisture Raw Restorative
D/C: Giovanni 2chic Avocado & Olive Oil Ultra Moist Deep Moisture Mask

Leave-in: My DNA
Styler: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity or
Umberto Giannini Scrunching Jelly

UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)
I dyed my hair slightly with hydrogen peroxide, just a shade. My hair holds curl currently, because it is there post shower. The elasticity is higher now than before because my hair is absorbing protein better. So I feel my curl potential is as strong or even stronger than before. The hold isn't there though, and it was like this before I dyed it too. My hair is fine and needs hold. That's why I thought I had "straight frizzy" hair, even after ditching sulfates and cones. Perhaps I should also experiment with ditching FSG and using just gelatin… less weight on the hair that way.

2B/2C/f/i
Baby fine brown hair
Former lo po/now super high porosity, fried dry hair
Current styling products: FSG, gelatin hair gel, AOSB leave in and curl activator
Sealing: BC curl activating cream for babies, or JC nourish and Shine
Treatments: teas, henna, hydrogen peroxide
Hair loves protein, protein, and for dessert, more protein.
Homemake hair products.
Usually if my hair "falls" it's due to moisture loss. That's the stinky part of hp hair, for me. Also it means I need a harder hold gel. Hope that helps. If you like fsg you might consider Sweet Curls on Etsy. You can custom order additives and she makes a great hard hold fsg. Hope that helps! Love your hair in your avatar.
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Low-poo: Yes to Cucumbers, Renpure Coconut Cream
Condish: GVP CB, V05 Vanilla Mint Tea
Leave in: Giovanni Direct Leave In
PT: Hair not responding well to protein anymore
Styler: Sweet Curls Crazy Crunchy FSG, Naturelle gel cocktailed with Paul Mitchell Tea Tree gel

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My hair does this too, but I live with it because I prefer a softer tousled look - I try to control for shape and frizz rather than tightness and definition.

That having been said, call me crazy - but have you considered hair spray? There are a lot of natural spray recipes around. I would tend to aim for the ones that require boiling citrus fruits. Lemons/oranges etc. contain a lot of pectin. Mix in a bit of aloe juice and coconut oil and you'll have a decent concoction.
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Sounds like my hair

For me it means one of two things:

Harder hold gel - I was very resistant to use hard hold gels when I first started taking care of my curls. Now I know it's a must. I'm slowly finding gels that works for me in various dewpoints. I miss mousse though, I really like using it, but can't find one with enough hold *sniffle*

The other thing I've had some success with is, after I SOTC, I take a diltued spray gel of some kind (AVG works great for me, I'm experimenting with a dilute solution of CJPP right now), spritz the ends, and pixie diffuse them to set the gel. Works for me like hair spray, I guess, which every time I used it made me break out. But I really like the AVG spray.

I have skin/acne sensitivities so have to be careful of what I use - so what I'm sensitive to might not be the same as what you're sensitive to. I actually need to be careful about what natural or botanical ingredients as opposed to more chemical ingredients, but I've been liking GFPC gel in normal dew points and I go through love/not-so-much-love with Volumax Mega in high or low dews (which is a lot of the year here).

I try not to SOTC if I've used the spray gel/pixie diffuse technique though. I need a little crunch to help things hold up.





ETA: in your FSG, you could try adding an ingredient for hold, like cornstarch, arrowroot, honey or agave nectar (in optimal dews). Agave nectar is one I'd like to try as I also make my own FSG. I found Kuzu root recently at my big co-op grocery, and this reminds me that I wanted to try that for lower dewpoints this year. Time to add things to my shopping list...
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Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands

Last edited by SpiralHam; 09-04-2014 at 10:28 AM.
Sealing with essential oils might work for you, but I've often seen that they aren't actually oily. It's not actually oil, most of them are just distilled plants. Even if they might feel a bit oil, they often quickly evaporate.
Originally Posted by EverydayCurls
Just to clarify some stuff here, essential oils won't seal your hair, they are used for natural fragrance and therapeutic purposes. They have an flashpoint at certain temperatures which makes them evaporate. Most of which I see on average between 120-180 degrees.

To the OP:
I would cut back on the protein for now and try a deep conditioner. Also, use much less product in your hair, and try a harder hold gel. FSG is a light hold. You may want to clarify with a good shampoo, sounds like you may have some buildup from using so much protein. Try an actual oil on just your ends... like jojoba, grapeseed, or sweet almond - all of these oils are light.
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2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Conditioner/ YTCucs
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo

Last edited by sixelamy; 09-04-2014 at 11:09 AM.
Just to clarify some stuff here, essential oils won't seal your hair, they are used for natural fragrance and therapeutic purposes. They have an flashpoint at certain temperatures which makes them evaporate. Most of which I see on average between 120-180 degrees.
Originally Posted by sixelamy
I said that it might be working for her just because if she uses base note essential oils, those stay much longer before evaporating. Vanilla essential oil for example, lasts at least a day (the smell, so there must be some eo left) if I use it in a cream.
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3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair width hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo
  • Dr. Mercola Revitalizing Conditioner (also as leave-in)
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Currently trying flaxseed gel +gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight


Thanks for all the responses; they're all helpful and I will try out everything suggested.

With essential oils, I'm not relying on them to seal entirely because I am using BC curl activator for babies and up for that (which is heavy so I just use a drop)… but I thought perhaps using essential oils might help and reduce the amount of other things I use. Maybe not though. Straight up oil weighs down my hair, but maybe vanilla essential oil is another thing to try!

2B/2C/f/i
Baby fine brown hair
Former lo po/now super high porosity, fried dry hair
Current styling products: FSG, gelatin hair gel, AOSB leave in and curl activator
Sealing: BC curl activating cream for babies, or JC nourish and Shine
Treatments: teas, henna, hydrogen peroxide
Hair loves protein, protein, and for dessert, more protein.
Homemake hair products.
For me 3-4 pea size drops of BRHG on top of FSG helps a lot for hold.

I take a pea size drop smooth it between my hands, then put my hands very shortly under the running tap and smooth and scrunch the gel in my hair. That is my last step before diffusing my curls 90% dry.

When I notice that my hair holds curls worse after SOTC than before (with the same products) and my hair gets very soft after SOTC, it's time for a clarify wash.

2b-3a med-fine low porosity
Blog: KrullenWijzer.nl
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2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
Routine:
Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP
, JCCC, BRHG
Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
Your baby fine hair's being weighed down by oil is not unusual. I have only found two oils that I can use, in very scant quantities: argan oil, and jojoba oil. If you decide to try argan oil, be aware that many products are labeled as argan oil when, in fact, it's is just one of the ingredients, and often not the principle oil used in the product. I've had very good luck with pure argan oil that I got from Vitacost.com on a BOGO sale. I use jojoba oil if I need a little help scrunching out the crunch; but argan oil if my hair needs a little emollience, in which case I dampen my hands lightly first, so that my skin doesn't drink it up, put just a few drops on, rub my hands together, then skim my hands lightly over my hair, and cup the ends in my palms briefly (it's generally the ends which need it, far more than the length, except in the canopy).
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008

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