Halo of frizz, what can I do?!?

I'm new to the CG method, only been doing it for about 2 weeks. I previously used cone and sulfate products but have transitioned over to co-washing with no-cone products and using alcohol free and cone-free gels or creams.

I have been getting a halo of frizz around my hair, on the top, sides and back, all over the exterior of my hair, no matter what I do! I have had this for some time now, even before I starting using the CG method.

I believe that I'm a 2C gal. I don't have problems getting curl definition and the curl lasts all day, but I instantly get a halo of frizz no matter what I do!

I've tried plopping (which gives me great curl definition), not plopping, pineapple with wet gelled hair at night, air drying with gel in, and diffusing with gel in, all of which still gives me frizz almost instantly. I even begin to get the halo of frizz as soon as I get done co-washing.

I've either been co-washing daily or every other day with only cotton t-shirts. My hair has always seemed dry in the past. I've been trying Suave Naturals, VO5 moisture milks, Shea Moisture Raw Shea Butter restorative conditioner and Tresemme Naturals for co-washing. I've been trying Carol's Daughter Sacred Tiare leave in conditioner, La Bella gel, Miss Jessie's Jelly Soft Curls, and the Shea Moisture coconut and hibiscus curl and style milk but seem to get the frizz no matter which ones I use.

I even tried a deep treatment last night with coconut oil. I thought it had worked, as I co-washed the coconut oil out after leaving in for about 30 minutes wrapped up, then went to bed after pineappling wet with the Miss Jessie's jelly soft curls. I woke up with soft and silky, damp curls this morning. I diffused just a bit and got great curl definition, but the frizz came out soon after.

Does anyone have any advice on anything else I can try? I've yet to try an ACV rinse and will try that this weekend if it might help. My hair feels soft and moisturized, but obviously there's something going on since I keep getting that fine layer of frizz allover. I used to always use argan oil in my hair prior to the CG method. I have yet to include a daily oil in my hair since starting CG. Perhaps that is what I need?!? Grrr!

I'm new at this, so any help would be greatly appreciated. I've attached some photos to show the frizz I'm getting.

Thanks!
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What's you hair like? Fine? Coarse? Porous or not-so-porous?

How's the weather like where you are? Do you have high or low dewpoints?

Both of these things help determine how products work for you. In high or low dewpoints, products containing humectants (glycerin, for example) can either draw too much water to your hair, or draw water out of your hair, respectively, contributing to frizz.

I have fine, somewhat porous hair; heavy ingredients like oils or cetyl esters give me instant frizz. They are ingredients that my hair just doesn't tolerate. Sealing with oils in high or low dewpoints can be beneficial in reducing frizz, if your hair does ok with oils. (I'm testing grapeseed to see if my skin objects, but I will use a water soluble silicone in my gels in our very low dewpoint winters here).

If you didn't do a final clarifying wash before going CG, you could still have some previous product buildup.

So, lots of things could be going on here... I'd suggest going with a really basic routine for a while and change one ingredient at a time to see what might be causing the issue (trial and error, go slowly, have lots of patience, sorry there isn't a clear answer here!). Keep reading on the site and find folks with hair like yours; see what they are doing too.

Oh, and if my hair isn't completely dry before scrunching the crunch out of my hair, that gives me frizz too

Remember too that if you just started CG, there is an adjustment period. I don't think my scalp equilibrated for a month or so, so don't give up just yet!

Welcome aboard
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
My hair used to be quite thick until a few years ago. It has become much thinner over the last few years and I get a handful each time I wash or comb, even with conditioner. Oddly though, the texture of my hair seems quite coarse at times, even though it is much thinner than it used to be years ago.

It is also quite porous and will absorb nearly anything that is put on it, though oil doesn't seem to be completely absorbed all the way when I use it.

I live in northeast TN, so the summers are quite humid and the winters are very dry and cold. Summers are my worst season for my hair and the moisture in the air. Winters aren't quite as bad on it.

I didn't use a clarifying shampoo before starting CG, so I'll give a sulfate-free clarifying poo a try or maybe a baking soda clarification a try.

I like creams better than gel, but my hair is thinner than it used to be so they weigh it down more, so gels seem to work better for me now. I definitely feel like I need as much moisture as I can get, but I just don't know if I need more/less protein than what I've been using the products I have used so far.

Hoping that I'll just get the hang of the method and find a combo that works well. I'll have to try your suggestion and do a basic routine and rule out the culprits one by one. I never seemed to have problems with frizz or moisture until a few years ago, even though I was using the same products/routine every time, then one day, BAM, the frizz just started showing up! It definitely is worse if I don't moisturize or if I diffuse my hair for too long. It doesn't seem quite as bad if I let my hair air dry all the way, though there is still some frizz present and it takes FOREVER for my hair to air dry. Thanks for the tips!
Halo frizz can be a few things. If you've lost a lot of hair, it could be the new growth coming in. For me, it's "build up" from polyquats, especially 4, 7 and 10. I got frizz when wet. It took a few sulfate shampoos to remove.

My hair HATES baking soda. Makes it hard. Even if I only use a 1/4 t in a recipe. I'd use a clarifying shampoo with a strong surfactant, just to make sure you remove any build up. Then start out with products that don't have a lot of chemicals to avoid buildup. Add things back, gradually.

My fine/low porosity/low density hair can't take straight oil/butter, but can use them in well formulated products. Things like the SM Coconut & Hibiscus line just sit on my hair. I have to wash them out.

Many of us rotate products. My has always satiated on product--even back in my shampoo/conditioner only days. I wet, use a rinse out and style every day. Seldom use any product more then once in five days, if that.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix and CCCC
I tried the baking soda this morning when co-washing, then followed up with a deep condition. I still have a bit of the halo frizz, so I'll give a sulfate-free clarifying poo a try this weekend to see if that helps. I used a cone-free volumizing mousse (Aussie Aussome Volume) this morning which gave me great body and lift, so I think that will work well for giving my thin hair some more volume.

Is it difficult to find volumizing mousses that are cone free and don't have polyquats? I suspect that might be part of my problem...

Thanks for all the tips, I really appreciate it!
I like mousses, but it seems to me that the majority of drugstore-type mousses have polyquats (my hair doesn't mind polyquats, lucky me). In general mousse doesn't give me enough hold, but if your curls last all day, you probably don't have as much of a problem with that.

The more natural mousses and foams probably have some other ingredient for hold - you might look at a Whole Foods type store if you have one (or an equivalent) nearby.

I love flax seed gel to reduce frizz as well - cheap to make and it doesn't seem to care what the weather is like.

Good luck!
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
Do you have a recipe to make the flax seed gel? I have a HUGE bag of flax seed at home that I use every day in foods!

I seem to get great hold with mousse or gels. I get much better volume with mousse, though a little more frizz. The gel seems to combat the frizz better, but then my curls get weighed down more and I don't get as much volume. Maybe I could try a mixture of the two and see if that works well.
Sure!

You can find a really basic recipe here

The mega-thread on FSG here on the boards is this one

FSG is really customizeable and you can add all sorts of stuff to it. A basic search will turn up all kinds of recipes! I make a really basic recipe with gelatin added to mine as my fine hair eats collagen alive; I don't add oils as a general rule because my skin is pretty picky and my hair can get weighed down. But that's the beauty of FSG - you can put whatever you want in it. I would recommend starting really simple with just flax seeds and water to see if you like it or not.

I freeze mine in ice cube trays and thaw them out two at a time. In the fridge this stuff will last a good week or two without preservatives. It is a good base for just about anything and it plays nicely with other products. I like to use it under almost anything.

I will say it is easiest to distribute this stuff from a squeeze bottle like a color application bottle or a ketchup-type condiment bottle from restaurant supply.

Lately I've been trying to use up some of my mousses and find that a little mousse under gel gives me some fluffy volume that gets glued together a little better with the gel on top; it's a little less flyaway for me. I've also topped gel with mousse with decent results - give it a try to see how it goes!
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands

Last edited by SpiralHam; 10-31-2014 at 10:27 AM.
Awesome, thanks so much!!!
Curl Pattern: 2C
Method: CG, co-washing, no sulfates, no cones, no alcohols
Porosity: High
Density: Medium (thinning)
Width: Coarse
Length: Medium to long
For me personally, halo frizz is more technique than product usage. I find what works best is to apply products in the shower while the hair is dripping and soaking wet. Apply leave in, a little oil to the ends if you use it, and then your styler. Then I take a microfiber towel and scrunch the ends only to get excess water out, then scrunch in a little more gel to the ends. Either air dry or diffuse, but try not to touch it or scrunch it too much while drying.

Side note: I also got this problem when I was using products containing polyquats.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
I'll have to try that then. I have been blotting with cotton t-shirt while soaking wet, then adding products. I'll try adding products while in shower to soaking wet first & see if that helps. Even this morning just after blotting, I immediately had frizz before I even blotted out excess water.
Curl Pattern: 2C
Method: CG, co-washing, no sulfates, no cones, no alcohols
Porosity: High
Density: Medium (thinning)
Width: Coarse
Length: Medium to long
I hope it helps. Uncrontrollable frizz is annoying. You are going to have some sort of frizz at all times, but I feel yours is a bit much. Mine always gets frizzy if I blot it first and then apply product. I hope you can get it figured out. Do you have hard water? If so, you might try chelating. Sally's makes a great ION Crystal Clarifying Treatment.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
Not sure if my waters hard or not. How can I test that, do you know?
Curl Pattern: 2C
Method: CG, co-washing, no sulfates, no cones, no alcohols
Porosity: High
Density: Medium (thinning)
Width: Coarse
Length: Medium to long
I air dry gelled hair but I don't cover my wet hair and I sleep with my ceiling fan on. But if I need quicker drying time, I'll sit under my hooded dryer set on cool. No frizz period. When I put my gel in, I'll shake my head around and I'm halo frizz free.
I've tried going to bed with wet, gelled hair. I got pretty good curl definition but still had some halo frizz later in the day. Plus, when I woke up my hair was still half wet, not to mention I freeze to death when I go to bed with wet hair lol.
Curl Pattern: 2C
Method: CG, co-washing, no sulfates, no cones, no alcohols
Porosity: High
Density: Medium (thinning)
Width: Coarse
Length: Medium to long
Hi 👋
Are you sure your hair is porous as you say it takes forever to dry? Do you dye your hair or is there currently any permanent dye in any of your hair? If the answer is no, there might be reason to believe that your hair is on the med-lower end of being porous. There's actually a way you can find out for sure, you can get your hair microscopically analyzed. Google: Goosefootprints hair analysis to find out more. She has a shop on Etsy, she's reasonable and has great reviews. It's a great place to start as you will learn a lot about ingredients and which ones that will benefit your hair the most.

I would take sixelamy's advice and get that chelating shampoo. It seems to solve a lot of everyone's hair "miffs". Don't use baking soda anywhere near your skin or hair. It's very damaging. I have no idea why that is a recommended way to clarify one's hair.

Before you chelate/clarify, you might want to do an overnight coconut oil soak as it will help protect your hair. It takes coconut oil several hours to be able to penetrate and be of any benefit to the hair.

You'll definitely want to do a deep treatment afterwards for about a 1/2 hour with a deep conditioner.

I personally get the best hope for being frizz-free when I style my hair when it's soaking wet. It can be a bit of a pain but definitely worth the results.

Try making the basic flaxseed gel recipe, use it on top of a leave in conditioner and if needed, top with a hard hold gel, scrunch water out with a t-shirt/microfiber towel/flower sack towel and either air dry or diffuse until about 70-80% dry. If you see any frizz from diffusing, just smooth a little flaxseed gel over it to get rid of it and don't touch your hair at all until 100% dry, then either twist or scrunch out the crunch and voila.

Edit: I forgot to mention that apparently, if you soak your flaxseeds overnight in the same amount of water needed for the recipe, you'll end up with a thicker, firmer holding gel without adding any thickeners. Mine are soaking as we speak and I can't wait to try out that theory tomorrow!

I also wanted to mention that frizzy hair when wet is pretty much a tell tale sign of nasty polyquat buildup.

Good luck and keep us updated with what you try and all that good stuff 😊
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3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Normal Density

NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
Rinse Outs: SS:PRT, CJ Repair Me, CJ Argan
Detangler: KCKT
Leave-in: CJ Repair me
Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG
Refreshers: Batiste (dry shampoo) on the roots & UFDCM everywhere else

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Last edited by sheilacurl; 10-31-2014 at 10:24 PM.
If you have city water and have no water softener in your hair, you probably have hard water. It can be difficult to deal with sometimes, and finding the right products is a challenge, and still finicky when you do.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
I always feel like a notorious thread stopper 😂
How did you make out? Did you try out any of the suggestions?
Upper Michigan Dews
3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Normal Density

NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
Rinse Outs: SS:PRT, CJ Repair Me, CJ Argan
Detangler: KCKT
Leave-in: CJ Repair me
Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG
Refreshers: Batiste (dry shampoo) on the roots & UFDCM everywhere else

iHerb Discount Code: SAF007

The water hardness info should be in your water report, which you can often find online. When I want to know the water of a specific location, I google city name CCR (consumer confidence report) water report or some such.

2B/2C/f/i
Baby fine brown hair, high porosity
No poo: AVG mixed with glycerin
Stylers: SS CEJ, gelatin hair gel, SS FHG
Treatments: fenugreek, rosemary and chamomile tea rinse (with marshmallow root and irish moss water), henna, hydrogen peroxide
IA Girl's PT, SS PT
Homemake hair products.

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