hair feels coated with leave-in

I am now on my second leave-in and both are leaving my hair feeling "coated" - like there is a nasty film on it that feels gross. Looks fine, just feels ick.

My hair analysis showed that I have normal porosity, just a bit higher on ends.

And since my hair is now 80% gray (but dyed), the texture is very coarse with kinking- so unless I flat iron it, its not smooth and just won't ever be as that is the new lovely texture I have due to the gray. My hair was softer/smoother when I had less gray.

I guess I am wondering if I really need a leave-in, as I am not sure if I really have a moisture problem, but rather a kinking/coarse problem that won't be addressed through a leave-in.

Just trying to brainstorm here. Any ideas appreciated!!
2c/3a
75% coarse
25% medium
Low elasticity when wet, normal when dry
Porosity- Low/normal roots through mid, slightly porous at ends
I'm still far from being a silver fox (how amazing that sounds ), but I'd take a shot at guessing that the LIs you tried were heavy on butters and/or oils. I have similar hair properties and I can't use butters or have too much oil on my hair, but it's fine with fatty alcohols. I'm also a bit iffy about guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride and polyquats in general.

I'd say try to use LI (or from any of your CO/RO favorite condish) that has the combination cationic quaternary compounds that your hair likes plus some more beneficial ingredients for hair that creates film cast or are humectants that traps moisture in. There are aloe vera, okra, flaxseed, panthenol, honey, agave, honey nectar, xanthan, gum, pectin, irish moss (carrageenan), hydroxyethylcellulose and silk amino acid, to name a few.
2C canopy & 2A/B underlayer
coarse | low-normal porosity | normal elasticity | low-med density
(by GoosefootPrints)

Clarify: North American Hemp Co. Moisturizing Shampoo, Citric acid rinse
CO/
RO/LI: Inecto Pure Coconut / Alba Botanica Volumizing
Styler: Okra Pudding / Suave Pro Captivating Curls Mousse / Paul Mitchell Sculpting Foam
Treatment: H&B Wonder Oil + VCO, Honey-Cardamom-EVOO-Chamomile


Stand-ins: TBS Banana / GF Oleo Repair / Garnier Ultra Dolce Mango-Tiare/Coconut-Cacao/Avocado-Shea
Thanks frkls- I am still confused about a lot of ingredients, but what you said makes sense, and I will explore further.

What throws me off with the oils is that my hair loves coconut oil. I usually put it on the day before I shampoo and then leave it on for 24 hours.. then wash. I also sometimes just put some on the very coarse patches during the week.

So I thought I should be fine with an oil in a leave-in... but who knows? Maybe there is some combination of ingredients in them that my hair doesn't like.

I'll experiment with your suggestions and see what happens!
2c/3a
75% coarse
25% medium
Low elasticity when wet, normal when dry
Porosity- Low/normal roots through mid, slightly porous at ends
Thanks frkls- I am still confused about a lot of ingredients, but what you said makes sense, and I will explore further.

What throws me off with the oils is that my hair loves coconut oil. I usually put it on the day before I shampoo and then leave it on for 24 hours.. then wash. I also sometimes just put some on the very coarse patches during the week.

So I thought I should be fine with an oil in a leave-in... but who knows? Maybe there is some combination of ingredients in them that my hair doesn't like.

I'll experiment with your suggestions and see what happens!
Originally Posted by CandySparkles
Coconut oil is one of a few oils that absorb into the hair shaft instead of sitting on top. The absorption isn't instant, it takes around 8 hours to fully absorb, but it does absorb over time. If the oils in your leave in are some that do not absorb, that could definitely account for the coated feeling. If there's coconut oil in your leave in, it's an oil that solidifies at 60 degrees (F). If it's cooler than that where you are, that could be contributing to the weird feel too.
CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Autumn Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 KLS, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, L'Oreal Studio Clean gel, Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's as needed

Coconut oil is one of a few oils that absorb into the hair shaft instead of sitting on top. The absorption isn't instant, it takes around 8 hours to fully absorb, but it does absorb over time. If the oils in your leave in are some that do not absorb, that could definitely account for the coated feeling. If there's coconut oil in your leave in, it's an oil that solidifies at 60 degrees (F). If it's cooler than that where you are, that could be contributing to the weird feel too.
Originally Posted by Geek_Chic
Good points. I hadn't thought about that solidification issue with coconut oil due to temp. The coconut oil in my house is generally solidified unless its the middle of summer when the temp inside is high enough to melt it, so maybe that is a factor.

I am going to skip the LI next time I wash my hair and see what happens.

This is one of the Leave-ins I used- As I Am- for anyone who is good with products, do any particular ingredients jump out at you?

Aqueous (Water, Aqua Purificada, Purified) Extracts: Cocos Nucifera (Coconut)¹ and Phyllanthus emblica (Amla)¹, Cetyl Alcohol¹, Citric Acid¹, Phytosterols¹, Serenoa Serrulata Fruit (Saw Palmetto) Extract¹, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract¹, Propylene Glycol, Pyrus Malus (Apple) Fruit Extract¹, Citrus Medica Limonum (Lemon) Peel Extract¹, Saccharum Officinarum (Sugar Cane) Stalk Extract¹, Beta Vulgaris (Beet) Root¹, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Potassium Sorbate, Fragrance/Parfum, Limonene
2c/3a
75% coarse
25% medium
Low elasticity when wet, normal when dry
Porosity- Low/normal roots through mid, slightly porous at ends
I honestly can't see anything that would contribute to the coated feeling. My stupid wild guess may be BTMS, since I don't see any oil or butter or wax in it, but it's the only one and real good cationic quaternary compound, supposedly wouldn't impart such feel to hair. Don't quote me on that, though. I'm not a scientist, just a curious George of product ingredients.

But perhaps it'll help to know if you wash your hair thoroughly after RO. And what conditioners you use as CO and RO. Also, if you apply oil after washing to seal in moisture. If it's only the coconut oil, perhaps it's too heavy for your hair if not washed off. Or just like Geek_Chic pointed out, that it solidifies in lower temperature, hence the coated feeling.

If you do seal with oil and would still like to do so, find an oil that doesn't solidify easily and really lightweight, like grapeseed and sweet almond oil. Pre-CG, I once ran out of my hair serum and I just used one of my perfume oils from my collection. I use only a drop and my hair felt the softest and was the shiniest and frizzless in a long time. The base of that particular perfume oil is a mix of grapeseed, sweet almond and rice bran oils. Plus, my hair turned heads (or noses) because it smelled really amazing.
2C canopy & 2A/B underlayer
coarse | low-normal porosity | normal elasticity | low-med density
(by GoosefootPrints)

Clarify: North American Hemp Co. Moisturizing Shampoo, Citric acid rinse
CO/
RO/LI: Inecto Pure Coconut / Alba Botanica Volumizing
Styler: Okra Pudding / Suave Pro Captivating Curls Mousse / Paul Mitchell Sculpting Foam
Treatment: H&B Wonder Oil + VCO, Honey-Cardamom-EVOO-Chamomile


Stand-ins: TBS Banana / GF Oleo Repair / Garnier Ultra Dolce Mango-Tiare/Coconut-Cacao/Avocado-Shea
I can't use a LI. No matter what conditioner I use, it makes my hair feel coated and gunky. I just don't need the extra moisture. Even in winter I can't leave conditioner in.
2C/3A, fine, higher porosity.
I am back to report that yesterday I did not do a leave-in and my hair does not feel coated today! I am so happy.

Maybe I will never know what mystery ingredient was causing the problems, but for now, no more leave-in for me.

I may start doing deep conditioning more often and see how that works.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions... it does give me some ideas to think about....
2c/3a
75% coarse
25% medium
Low elasticity when wet, normal when dry
Porosity- Low/normal roots through mid, slightly porous at ends
I can't use a LI. No matter what conditioner I use, it makes my hair feel coated and gunky. I just don't need the extra moisture. Even in winter I can't leave conditioner in.
Originally Posted by JLeighs
I feel the same way. I did a rosemary and chamomile tea as a final rinse that worked. I recently added marshmallow root which adds slip. My hair looks greasy today but that could be because I went a bit heavy on product. Homemade LI seems to be the way to go for those of us who can't use commercial LIs. I'd love to try KCKT but I'm allergic to the preservative in it.

2B/2C/f/i
Baby fine brown hair, high porosity
No poo: AVG mixed with glycerin
Stylers: SS CEJ, gelatin hair gel, SS FHG
Treatments: rosemary and chamomile tea rinse, henna, hydrogen peroxide
IA Girl's PT, SS PT
Homemake hair products.
I know that the curl junkie smoothing lotion LI Natural Curl Care | Curl Junkie | Curly Hair Products | Hair Conditioner | Curl Assurance Smoothing Lotion is popular amongst the low-porosity folks. It shouldn't buildup, though it does have some oils, they're not in the top 5 ingredients. It's also protein-free which is good for coarse hair.

I think if softness is what you're looking for and you have mostly coarse hair that LI can do a lot for you; it may just be an issue of finding the right LI.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
I know that the curl junkie smoothing lotion LI Natural Curl Care | Curl Junkie | Curly Hair Products | Hair Conditioner | Curl Assurance Smoothing Lotion is popular amongst the low-porosity folks. It shouldn't buildup, though it does have some oils, they're not in the top 5 ingredients. It's also protein-free which is good for coarse hair.

I think if softness is what you're looking for and you have mostly coarse hair that LI can do a lot for you; it may just be an issue of finding the right LI.
Originally Posted by wavydaze

Interesting. I looked up the ingredients and it has slippery elm bark. Lately I've been using the powder in hot teas and etc. I remember reading that it is somewhat similar to marshmallow root (it contains mucilage after all). Will have to experiment with using it in my hair.

2B/2C/f/i
Baby fine brown hair, high porosity
No poo: AVG mixed with glycerin
Stylers: SS CEJ, gelatin hair gel, SS FHG
Treatments: rosemary and chamomile tea rinse, henna, hydrogen peroxide
IA Girl's PT, SS PT
Homemake hair products.
I know that the curl junkie smoothing lotion LI Natural Curl Care | Curl Junkie | Curly Hair Products | Hair Conditioner | Curl Assurance Smoothing Lotion is popular amongst the low-porosity folks. It shouldn't buildup, though it does have some oils, they're not in the top 5 ingredients. It's also protein-free which is good for coarse hair.

I think if softness is what you're looking for and you have mostly coarse hair that LI can do a lot for you; it may just be an issue of finding the right LI.
Originally Posted by wavydaze
Yes, softness is really my goal - that plus frizz control. My hair is generally very healthy- its a few inches longer than BSL and never gets split ends.

I may try the sample pack from that site you posted- I had been considering the Smoothing Lotion, but based on my hair's response to these other Leave-in's, I am now skeptical and don't want to waste money on products I don't need.
2c/3a
75% coarse
25% medium
Low elasticity when wet, normal when dry
Porosity- Low/normal roots through mid, slightly porous at ends

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