Any way to make hair curlier?

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Hi everyone, I naturally have 3b hair, which I like; however, I would LOVE to have 3c hair. The pieces of hair framing my face seem close to 3c, but they are only about chin length, and I don't want to cut my hair short (it's past waist length when wet and pulled straight). Are there any ways/products to tighten up the curls? If it can be homemade, even better.

Thanks!
3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight



Last edited by EverydayCurls; 12-12-2014 at 12:42 PM.
Erm, this may or may not be possible. If your hair is weighed down (I've never heard of the products that you use) by heavier products, you may be able to get "curlier" hair with an ACV rinse, but that's a pretty big "if" and an even bigger "may."
You mentioned that your hair is pretty long as well. Often times, chopping the hair (i.e. lightening the weight) will also result in curlier hair. Not the most attractive option, but there's a huge difference between waist length and shoulder length (which I wouldn't really call short, but that's just my opinion) or even BSL.
Hair Type: 3c/4a, Med-High Density
CG since '09
Protein might help. I really love GVP reconstructer from Sally's (the generic version of Joico Kpak), & it keeps my curls looking great so far. I had a section in front that was always sorta frizzy. After 2 uses over a week, that section is perfect & super curly. I use it once week and it does not make my hair hard or anything so I will keep it up. (I have 2c/3a (?), fine, APL, highlighted hair and use a difuser.)
Erm, this may or may not be possible. If your hair is weighed down (I've never heard of the products that you use) by heavier products, you may be able to get "curlier" hair with an ACV rinse, but that's a pretty big "if" and an even bigger "may."
You mentioned that your hair is pretty long as well. Often times, chopping the hair (i.e. lightening the weight) will also result in curlier hair. Not the most attractive option, but there's a huge difference between waist length and shoulder length (which I wouldn't really call short, but that's just my opinion) or even BSL.
Originally Posted by Sandi
I just checked my sig and I still use the Mercola shampoo or Aubrey's organics as a low poo, and as conditioner I use either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Natures Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner (when I want some protein). I also occasionally use a diluted sulfate wash to clean a bit more. I actually ended up getting a hair cut yesterday, but it's still around waist length. My hair shrinks up to bra strap length though and I don't think shorter hair looks as good on me. I can try the ACV rinse and see. Yesterday before the cut I had a great hair day where it was curlier, so who knows.

Protein might help. I really love GVP reconstructer from Sally's (the generic version of Joico Kpak), & it keeps my curls looking great so far. I had a section in front that was always sorta frizzy. After 2 uses over a week, that section is perfect & super curly. I use it once week and it does not make my hair hard or anything so I will keep it up. (I have 2c/3a (?), fine, APL, highlighted hair and use a difuser.)
Originally Posted by Curlybee1
I know protein worked miracles on my hair when it was overmoisturized. Yesterday I had a bit of frizz (which I typically do, I don't mind having a bit), but it was really rough, which it isn't usually. Would that mean I would need more moisture or protein? I know both can help frizz.
3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight


I don't know if it works the same for everyone, but flaxseed gel makes my 2c waves tighter and looks borderline 3a. I don't like FSG because the tighter curls kill the little volume I have.
2C canopy & 2A/B underlayer
coarse | low-normal porosity | normal elasticity | low-med density
(by GoosefootPrints)

Clarify: North American Hemp Co. Moisturizing Shampoo, Citric acid rinse
CO/
RO/LI: Inecto Pure Coconut / Alba Botanica Volumizing
Styler: Okra Pudding / Suave Pro Captivating Curls Mousse / Paul Mitchell Sculpting Foam
Treatment: H&B Wonder Oil + VCO, Honey-Cardamom-EVOO-Chamomile


Stand-ins: TBS Banana / GF Oleo Repair / Garnier Ultra Dolce Mango-Tiare/Coconut-Cacao/Avocado-Shea
I don't know if it works the same for everyone, but flaxseed gel makes my 2c waves tighter and looks borderline 3a. I don't like FSG because the tighter curls kill the little volume I have.
Originally Posted by frckls
Really? I would have thought that you would have gotten more volume. I do use a flaxseed with some gelatin gel, which works great, I just want it even curlier, aha. Maybe I will have to give up on that goal though.
3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight


I don't know if it works the same for everyone, but flaxseed gel makes my 2c waves tighter and looks borderline 3a. I don't like FSG because the tighter curls kill the little volume I have.
Originally Posted by frckls
Really? I would have thought that you would have gotten more volume. I do use a flaxseed with some gelatin gel, which works great, I just want it even curlier, aha. Maybe I will have to give up on that goal though.
Originally Posted by EverydayCurls
It really wasn't for me. But perhaps I'm in the less fortunate group since I don't have that many hair, hence the clumping from flaxseed shows how little hair I have. Heheh.

I get great volume with okra gel instead. It is usually advertised as less clump-inducing in comparison to flaxseed, so probably that's what prompts the volume on my head. But to me, the clumps are just perfect.

I used to be wanting the hair I just plainly don't have. Before going CG, I was hoping my hair would look 2b from the get go, instead of waiting for 3 days to have that 2b waves, but also greasy, lanky roots.

Then, I went CG and I saw curlystace on youtube and I fell in love with her hair. I thought if I took some weight off and can achieve perfect clumping, my hair would look as amazing as hers.
But, she's got 3b pattern and a LOT of hair. My hair is borderline 3a if I really work hard to manipulate it and a lot less in density. So yea, never gonna happen.

I finally settle for however my hair wishes to look as long as it looks and is healthy and shiny and not frizzy. I started collecting pictures of haircuts with similar pattern to mine. Basically, just being realistic.
2C canopy & 2A/B underlayer
coarse | low-normal porosity | normal elasticity | low-med density
(by GoosefootPrints)

Clarify: North American Hemp Co. Moisturizing Shampoo, Citric acid rinse
CO/
RO/LI: Inecto Pure Coconut / Alba Botanica Volumizing
Styler: Okra Pudding / Suave Pro Captivating Curls Mousse / Paul Mitchell Sculpting Foam
Treatment: H&B Wonder Oil + VCO, Honey-Cardamom-EVOO-Chamomile


Stand-ins: TBS Banana / GF Oleo Repair / Garnier Ultra Dolce Mango-Tiare/Coconut-Cacao/Avocado-Shea
The only things that have helped mine were protein and chelating. But seriously, your hair isn't going to get any curlier than it naturally is no matter what product you use or don't use.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
The only things that have helped mine were protein and chelating. But seriously, your hair isn't going to get any curlier than it naturally is no matter what product you use or don't use.
Originally Posted by sixelamy
What did you use for chelating? I might have to just give up, but sometimes my hair is as curly as I want it, but other tines not. Since it's so long it pulls the ringlets to the bottom, but I want them all the way. It only sometimes does that. Hopefully it will more now that I've cut about 3 inches.
3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight


You can get a permanent wave at a salon. Salt water spray also tightens curls. Hope that helps.
My Routine:
Coconut oil drench the night before I co-wash
then cowash and deep condition each time w/ Keracare Humecto
Shima leave in conditioner then usually airdry
Grapeseed oil nightly

(no gel, mouse, or hair spray. My delicate, fine hair will tear if I even try to run my fingers through it with any of those. )
My go to leave ins are now: Shima Leave In Conditioner or PW77
Very good point made! I too, have desired 3C curls, even though I'm a 2C. But when I get tighter curls, I get less volume, because I just don't have that much hair. . . but if my daughter gets tighter curls (she's a 2A) it does give her more volume, but I just can't get that many clumps made out of the quantity of hair I have, so for me, the more defined, the tighter, and more product in my hair, the less hair it seems I have. I think it all depends on the tightness of your curl, the type of curl it is and the density, it's not just about having curl or no curl. CurlySTace does get lots of volume even with shoulder length curls, so obviously more hair. But yeah, you've gotta have botticelli curls or springly curls for them to get your more volume, but S-shape/ringlets just get volume vertically, not horizontally! 'I'm still working on accepting reality for me too!
2c
Medium texture
Normal porosity
Normal elasticity
can get weighed down with lots of oils
Co-wash-trying giovanni wellness
Rinse out: Garnier Body Boost, GVP
Leave-in: none right now, maybe a touch of SM curling souffle
Curl enhancer: AOMM and KCCC
Gel: Kiss my face gel
DT:Jessicurl
Low Poo: abba pure and natural, Giovanni Wellness
working on: getting rid of frizz from the get-go
How interesting…. curlier hair gives me more volume and that's one reason I like it. ALso everyday curls, thanks for the reminder… I used to add okra and flax to my gelatin gel, and liked it, but stopped because of the bother. But now in the winter I may need to bother and remember to do it!

As for curlier hair…. hm. Figuring that has out been the bane of my existence. Salt, esp when I boil it, seems to be good for my hair (adds volume, curl). Stronger hold and squeezing out water more aggressively from my hair gives better curl. But everyone is different… for some, it's more moisture. Also, alternating on my dryer between cool air and warm air helps lock the hair into place and encourage shrinkage when pixie curling, but it could also cause a weird zig zag pattern so use with caution.

For me my pattern can vary soooo much…. it can be frustrating. In the summer it's better for sure. Some people suggested to me a humidifier. So that may be one option. I was considering the Q-Redew.

2B/2C/f/i
Baby fine brown hair, high porosity
No poo: AVG mixed with glycerin
Stylers: SS CEJ, gelatin hair gel, SS FHG
Treatments: fenugreek, rosemary and chamomile tea rinse (with marshmallow root and irish moss water), henna, hydrogen peroxide
IA Girl's PT, SS PT
Homemake hair products.
I find that Mineral Oil products (baby oil, creamy baby oil, baby oil gel) tend to make my hair quite a bit curlier. You just have to be careful with those because they can also make your hair look a bit greasy. But if you keep it away from the roots, you should be fine. You can even use the baby oil gel in place of regular hair gel. I've done that.


I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier.
I find that Mineral Oil products (baby oil, creamy baby oil, baby oil gel) tend to make my hair quite a bit curlier. You just have to be careful with those because they can also make your hair look a bit greasy. But if you keep it away from the roots, you should be fine. You can even use the baby oil gel in place of regular hair gel. I've done that.
Originally Posted by AngelaE8654
Thanks for the tip. Oil doesn't work with my hair though since it never absorbs (low porosity).

How interesting…. curlier hair gives me more volume and that's one reason I like it. ALso everyday curls, thanks for the reminder… I used to add okra and flax to my gelatin gel, and liked it, but stopped because of the bother. But now in the winter I may need to bother and remember to do it!

As for curlier hair…. hm. Figuring that has out been the bane of my existence. Salt, esp when I boil it, seems to be good for my hair (adds volume, curl). Stronger hold and squeezing out water more aggressively from my hair gives better curl. But everyone is different… for some, it's more moisture. Also, alternating on my dryer between cool air and warm air helps lock the hair into place and encourage shrinkage when pixie curling, but it could also cause a weird zig zag pattern so use with caution.

For me my pattern can vary soooo much…. it can be frustrating. In the summer it's better for sure. Some people suggested to me a humidifier. So that may be one option. I was considering the Q-Redew.
Originally Posted by naturecat
Curlier hair also gives me more volume. On the first day of wearing it, it's the perfect amount, but on the second day it's wayyyyyy too voluminous. Like a meter in width, lol. You said salt helps, especially when you boil it. What's the difference between boiling/not boiling? How much do you use? I used to put some in my FSG but I don't know if it helped or not.
3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight


Products are a big part of maximizing your curls but your cut is also a big factor. Is your hair layered? If not, you can get layers and still keep your overall length. This might make the difference!
Medium Texture/Normal Porosity
Conditioners: Curl Junkie conditioners, Elucence moisture balancing, Darcy's pumpkin seed, Mop Top Daily
Gels: CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ Curl Queen, UFDCM, Mop Top Curly Custard, KCCC (wish it didn't take so long to dry!), CJ Aloe Fix Lite
Weekly PT (CJ Repair Me) & DT
Icequeen method
CG since Aug. 08, still a lot to learn

Products are a big part of maximizing your curls but your cut is also a big factor. Is your hair layered? If not, you can get layers and still keep your overall length. This might make the difference!
Originally Posted by Curlini
My hair is layered, but the shortest layer is about shoulder length. I once got shorter layers but it would keep flying back in my face with the wind since it was a lot lighter.
3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight


The only things that have helped mine were protein and chelating. But seriously, your hair isn't going to get any curlier than it naturally is no matter what product you use or don't use.
Originally Posted by sixelamy
What did you use for chelating? I might have to just give up, but sometimes my hair is as curly as I want it, but other tines not. Since it's so long it pulls the ringlets to the bottom, but I want them all the way. It only sometimes does that. Hopefully it will more now that I've cut about 3 inches.
Originally Posted by EverydayCurls
I get mine at Sally's - ION Crystal Clarifying Treatment. They keep it behind the cashier at our store here. It's pretty amazing.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
I don't know if it works the same for everyone, but flaxseed gel makes my 2c waves tighter and looks borderline 3a. I don't like FSG because the tighter curls kill the little volume I have.
Originally Posted by frckls
Really? I would have thought that you would have gotten more volume. I do use a flaxseed with some gelatin gel, which works great, I just want it even curlier, aha. Maybe I will have to give up on that goal though.
Originally Posted by EverydayCurls


This flaxseed and gelatin gel.... Would you share your recipe?? My hair adores both those ingredients!!


Also, I can list what is curl enhancing for me:
A fresh cut
FSG
epsom (small doses) or
Magnesium oil
Gelatin or really any protein
A lowpoo (rather than co-wash)
Doing a PT/DT

Also if you like FSG'S curl enhancement but not the clumping, you can get some volume back by shaking/lighting scrubbing it to SOTC once totally dry.

Also, I have some luck getting root volume by running my fingers along my scalp (from underneath to my part), and then gently moving my hand side to side -- if that makes any sense?
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing

Curlier hair also gives me more volume. On the first day of wearing it, it's the perfect amount, but on the second day it's wayyyyyy too voluminous. Like a meter in width, lol. You said salt helps, especially when you boil it. What's the difference between boiling/not boiling? How much do you use? I used to put some in my FSG but I don't know if it helped or not.
Originally Posted by EverydayCurls
Boiling seems to prevent dryness in hair (still experimenting with amount of time). Salt is sodium chloride. The sodium displaces the calcium in the water, making it softer, and probably gentler on hair. I imagine that depending on what you boil the salt in, there are any number of chemical reactions going on that affect how the ingredients perform. I think dead sea salt is gentler for me than epsom but there are too many variables I've played around with to say for sure. I think 1 TBSP/cup is standard? Could be tsp, I use TBSP. I also try to vary the salts so that my hair doesn't tire of any one thing.

Edit: My answer was more for table salt. Of course epsom is magnesium sulfate. But I imagine there are similar chemical reactions taking place that somehow have some effect.

2B/2C/f/i
Baby fine brown hair, high porosity
No poo: AVG mixed with glycerin
Stylers: SS CEJ, gelatin hair gel, SS FHG
Treatments: fenugreek, rosemary and chamomile tea rinse (with marshmallow root and irish moss water), henna, hydrogen peroxide
IA Girl's PT, SS PT
Homemake hair products.

Last edited by naturecat; 12-18-2014 at 10:56 PM.
@sixelamy Thank you for your product recommendation!

This flaxseed and gelatin gel.... Would you share your recipe?? My hair adores both those ingredients!!


Also, I can list what is curl enhancing for me:
A fresh cut
FSG
epsom (small doses) or
Magnesium oil
Gelatin or really any protein
A lowpoo (rather than co-wash)
Doing a PT/DT

Also if you like FSG'S curl enhancement but not the clumping, you can get some volume back by shaking/lighting scrubbing it to SOTC once totally dry.

Also, I have some luck getting root volume by running my fingers along my scalp (from underneath to my part), and then gently moving my hand side to side -- if that makes any sense?
Originally Posted by Jas76
I got a trim recently on dry hair, but haven't washed it since. I will today. Hopefully it's curlier (although I am travelling and the water here now will be well water...). I never thought of using magnesium oil... I know it's not an actual oil, but does it leave your hair looking greasy? My hair doesn't absorb oils but maybe this would work since it's just "oil-like". How do you use it? I use a lowpoo and do the same thing as you for root volume. For the rest of my hair though, I have a LOT of volume, so I don't do anything. If anything, I would want to reduce it on the second day.

For the flaxseed/gelatin gel, here is the recipe:

2 cups water
1/4 cup flaxseeds
1/2 measuring teaspoon of gelatin (you can put less if you want, or more, but if more then add a tiny bit more water)

The gelatin is just enough for me to give the shine (jello is shiny) and the definition protein gives. It's a HG for me.

If you usually add extras, you can still add those.

The steps are boil water, put the flaxseeds AND gelatin at the same time in the hot water, then wait 5-8 minutes for it to thicken up. It might take a minute or so for the gelatin to dissolve. If you let the flaxseeds soak overnight it makes more gel but I always do it randomly so I skip it.


@Naturecat I'll try using sea salt in my next gel and see if there is a difference. Thanks!
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3b, low porosity, high density, medium hair

Current Products:
  • Dr. Mercola Shampoo or diluted sulfate
  • Either Giovanni Tea Tree Conditioner or Nature's Gate Pomegranate Sunflower Conditioner
  • Gelatin as protein treatment
  • Flaxseed + gelatin as hair gel
Techniques: Scrunching + Plopping Overnight


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