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I've been growing my hair out now for about a year and I can't stand it. It's finally down to APL and I only need a couple more inches to go until I can donate it. I wanna hold out as long as I can, but I'm not sure what else I can do to make myself comfortable with my hair.

1. I can't really get a crunch hold from my gels anymore. I used to get crunch all the time, I'm not sure what I'm doing different to not get it. What things factor into non-crunch? why can't I keep my curls for second day hair? Why don't pineapples work for me?

2. I tried a protein treatment thinking it would help even out my curls - it did somewhat, but not really. It just created funky curls on the ends and in the back that look weird.

3. I don't know what hairstyles to do with my hair on a daily basis. It's always down, in my face, and just blah. It's very thick so it's everywhere.

If anybody has any tips on growing out hair that you hate, please let me know! lol I can get a good hair day once in a while and be like... oh I love my hair again! But it only lasts half a day and I cant wait to put it up the next day. It's cold and I hate putting it up. Plus it keeps getting caught in my coat zipper

Kind of a scatter-brained post, but any tips or suggestions on hair styles or things to make me hate it less? I'm thinking maybe I'll try a trim with short layers before I forget the 2 more inches and just chop it off. I'm so close, but feel so far. I just need support, I guess.
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Cond./ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea / Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: JC Rockin' Ringlets, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens

Last edited by sixelamy; 02-02-2015 at 09:52 PM.
I wish I could be helpful - I usually cut my hair off once it gets past my shoulders. I find that my hair just weighs itself down at that length or longer. Plus there's a part of my that just likes me better when my hair is a little shorter. I'm too short to drag my face down with longer hair anyway.

1. If I've used an oil or more leave in than usual, I lose the crunch from my gel (especially using oil). I really need a hard hold gel to get a pineapple/high pony to work for me. Lately, if I wake up and my overnight pony looks ok, I'll just leave it that way and not mess with it, and have an "updo" day. Works great in all the wind we're having I made a spray gel from my hard hold gel and use that on second day hair. I try not to scrunch out too much of the crunch so that some hold remains throughout the day.

We have a water softener in the house; that might play a role here.

2. I generally do better with protein in my every day products than I do with a dedicated treatment.

3. When I grew my hair out in high school and into college, I wore it in a French braid just about all of the time. I was in the lab a lot, so it was practical for me - kept it out of my face, etc. As a bike commuter it was ideal, I always looked about the same, and I protected it from the wind. I loved this for growing it out. But if you want to wear it down that isn't helpful advice. Half up/ half down to keep it out of your face? Headbands?

Winter is tough on curls to start with. I'm really liking wearing it up more than not these days.

Good luck and try to hang in there - you are close to your goal!
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, WF365FF, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, VolumaxMega, AIF, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
Thanks for the response! I'm the same as you, once it gets below the shoulders, I wanna chop it!

I put a jelly of some sort underneath my gel that contains dead sea salt or epsom salt - do you think this is what might be taking away the crunch? It seems my hair won't curl as well without it, so I'm at a catch 22. I guess I'll try without next wash and see what happens. If that doesn't work, I'll go lighter on the leave in. I haven't been using any oils recently.

I would love to be able to french braid my hair. I can french braid somebody else's hair, but my arms get tired and I get the strands mixed up because I can't see them. I know practice makes perfect, but I have no patience

I should invest in some cute headbands, that would help a lot. I can never find the ones I am looking for, I may have to order online.
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Cond./ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea / Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: JC Rockin' Ringlets, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens
I hadn't thought about a jelly under the gel. I used to use FSG all the time, but stopped some time back - and I probably got better hold from my gel out of it. So in my experience yes! That is something to try. Salts make my hair limp and frizzy by themselves; I don't think I've ever used them in conjunction with anything else. A stylist used a sea salt spray in my hair once and by the time I got home I passed for a limp locked Rosanne Rosannadanna. Blech!

Another thing that doesn't work well for my is the really soaking wet hair thing. The more wet my hair is, the less long term hold I get out of my gel.

I was awful at braiding at first. In fact, I had to clip the first section in place so that I could keep everything in one place as I was braiding. My hair is fine and slippery, for lack of a better term, and it has a hard time holding a style, so it was hard to braid. I had my best luck braiding wet hair, believe it or not, or second day producty hair that was already stiff. And practice does make perfect. I stink at it now that I'm out of practice!

A quick braid I liked was to take the top half of my hair (section from about the tops of your ears back) and start there, so that the braid doesn't have to run all the way from the top. Less sections to braid, less room for error. If you tuck the end underneath and pin it there, it has a polished look.

Really styled braids are all the rage now, but I'm not talented enough for those and always kept it really simple, but classic.

And I love a good headband, but have a freakishly small noggin. I can never find one that fits well (and youth headbands are too cutesy). Bah!
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, WF365FF, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, VolumaxMega, AIF, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
i love the french braid idea, but i can't french braid either (not that my hair is long enough, but i could never even french braid my daughter's when she was a kid. regular braids, of course.....)
my hair is short but would also work on your hair is this -- i clip one side up, the side that the part is away from, gives it a 'glamour girl' look sometimes.
and you can even clip up both sides that way, very 1940s look that i love.
btw, your hair looks great!
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
Thanks gals!

I do sometimes clip both of the sides up like chupie has in her avatar, but I'm not 100% sold on the look. I'll do it if I don't want my hair up and it looks awful being down. The problem for my hair is - the part I clip back is curly and the part I leave down underneath is pretty straight with a slight wave. It just looks "off", like I have 2 different heads of hair. Some days are better than others for this look, though.

I was reading something about gel casts and not applying to soaking wet hair, so I think you have something there. I apply everything to soaking wet hair, then scrunch, then add more. Maybe I'll try applying the gel after I've towel scrunched it, and we'll see how it turns out.

Ugh, you'd think I'd get out of experimentation mode someday, but alas it just keeps on coming.
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Cond./ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea / Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: JC Rockin' Ringlets, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens
i found for me applying gel after i towel blot my hair works better. then i often times scrunch in more after it is totally dry.
applying it on soaking wet hair just didn't work well for my hair.
(and now that i've written that, my hair will change, LOL!)
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
It took a bit of experimentation for me, too.

I'll let a microfiber towel soak up water whilst I dress (I squish a lot of water out in the shower as I use a smidge of leave in on my hands, if I am using it at all). I don't towel scrunch - for some reason that seems to give me mega frizz in the end, even if I'm not using terry cloth.

I apply a sticky gel with a wet hand instead of applying gel to really wet hair.

Keep a spray bottle on hand in case hair gets a little too dry as you're styling. Nothing like horrible clumps on stringy dry gel gooped hair LOL
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, WF365FF, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, VolumaxMega, AIF, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands

Last edited by SpiralHam; 02-03-2015 at 02:45 PM.
1. Maybe try less LI, or gel or mousse on damp (not soaking wet) hair. Maybe try applying gel in sections and use more of it?

2. I reach a tipping point in terms of length vs. curl. My underlayer curls best between collarbone and probably armpit length. Beyond that and the weight tends to pull curl out. I know my hair is on the opposite end of the texture spectrum from yours, but while pt's help those longest ends twirl, they also perk up the curlier shorter layers, so there's always a curl difference. I use protein during wash or as LI, but still need periodic pt's for optimal curl (though less often in the winter).

What about running your fingers through the top layer after SOTCing, to pull some of the curl out so that it blends better with your wavier layer? With the right combo of stylers, that's doable without making your hair look wonky.

3. You could do a dutch braid (inside out french braid). Those are easier than french braids for me since the sections cross under each other. It's much easier to keep it looking neat that way, and if it isn't perfect, it still usually looks ok. When you reach the nape of your neck, maybe ponytail the ends to help keep your neck a bit warm. You could also clip up the top. Maybe run your fingers through the clipped portion that's too curly to look nice with the wavier underlayer in order to pull some curl out and make it blend better. I clip mine at the occipital for a looser look, then finger comb the ends to pull some curl out of the clipped portion. You could even pull back the top and do a braid in the back, leaving the wavier underlayer loose. Start the braid at the back of your head, or even just below the occipital if you want a looser look. Fishtails are pretty if you want something more interesting than just a basic braid. I've even done a loose (small-ish) bun with my top layers and left the underlayer loose for a different sort of look. Top layers in a braid or bun will totally disguise the greater curl in there and make it look like your hair is more wavy all over. You could even just clip back the face framing pieces, which would get them out of your face but leave the bulk of your top layers free to blend with the wavier longer layer. What about a headband?

As far as coat zippers and purse straps and seatbelts, honestly, just make a habit of lifting your hair up and away before /after seatbelting, and as you drop your purse on your shoulder. For coats, put it on, then lift your hair and pull it all up and out from under the collar, then zip. If you wear a hood, hair out of the way first, then zip, then put the hood up. I've managed to get my hair caught in a car door (or window) on windy days when it's at its longest. Hair stuck in car doors or windows is a darn good way to feel like a complete fool. It's about the time I can't stand it anymore and chop it to shoulder length.
CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Winter Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO:
Tresemme Expert Selection Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care
LI (if needed):
Tresemme Expert Selection Perfectly (un)Done
Stylers: FSG, L'Oreal Studio Clean gel, Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's as needed
i sometimes do as geek_chic suggested -- i run my fingers thru my hair after towel blotting to make it wavy rather than curly on very top of hair, then i scrunch bottom, pushing up towards top to make it wavy.

and, thinking about braids, i've seen half braids with the top/front of hair, flowing into the full hair. sometimes with several braids across top, or sometimes with a side part and a braid in the part to keep it back,but again not all the way down, only halfway and flows into hair. it would keep the hair out of your face and yet your neck warm!
if i had long hair i'd definitely be doing those braids!
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
Apparently my quotes aren't working. So anyway.. in reponse to Geek_Chic

I don't use a whole lot of leave in, but I could probably get by with a little less. I already apply my gel in sections and use a lot of it - it's on the fine line of too much for my taste in the feel of my hair. I would say I use about the size of a 50 cent piece total or a little less (not in 1 application though)

Running my fingers through my hair always ends up making my hair frizzy and poofy. I have extremely dense hair. I can't touch my hair too much or I'll have a huge mess on my hands. I do separate the clumps that are too big after it dries or is mostly dry. I really wish I could get 2nd day hair without doing too much to it. Seems it only happens on occasion, and I'm not sure what, if anything, I do differently on those days. Sigh.

I can't wait to cut my hair off. I've actually toyed with the idea of it, but then I think, well I've come this far. I can't even donate to the organization that I really want to donate to, so that's kind of bumming me out too.
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Cond./ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea / Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: JC Rockin' Ringlets, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens

Last edited by sixelamy; 02-03-2015 at 04:12 PM.
Apparently my quotes aren't working. So anyway.. in reponse to Geek_Chic

I don't use a whole lot of leave in, but I could probably get by with a little less. I already apply my gel in sections and use a lot of it - it's on the fine line of too much for my taste in the feel of my hair. I would say I use about the size of a 50 cent piece total or a little less (not in 1 application though)

Running my fingers through my hair always ends up making my hair frizzy and poofy. I have extremely dense hair. I can't touch my hair too much or I'll have a huge mess on my hands. I do separate the clumps that are too big after it dries or is mostly dry. I really wish I could get 2nd day hair without doing too much to it. Seems it only happens on occasion, and I'm not sure what, if anything, I do differently on those days. Sigh.

I can't wait to cut my hair off. I've actually toyed with the idea of it, but then I think, well I've come this far. I can't even donate to the organization that I really want to donate to, so that's kind of bumming me out too.
Originally Posted by sixelamy
This post reminded me of a technique I saw for elongating too tight curls. Not sure whether it'd work the same or be workable on an entire top layer of hair, but what you do is put a clip at the end of the too tightly curled clump, which weights it down so it dries in a looser curl than it would on its own.

Oh yeah, also I'm not sure how active you are when you sleep, but if a traditional pineapple isn't working, you might try just draping your hair over top of your pillow overnight. I can usually get acceptable 2nd day hair doing that, and I sleep on regular pillowcases (not satin or silk). Unless it's gotten super frizzy (usually not), I just shake and go in the morning. I don't have good luck refreshing on 2nd day hair, so it's easier to deal with the looser curl and a bit of halo frizz, than it is to try to regain 1st day curl levels.
CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Winter Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO:
Tresemme Expert Selection Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care
LI (if needed):
Tresemme Expert Selection Perfectly (un)Done
Stylers: FSG, L'Oreal Studio Clean gel, Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's as needed
sixelamy -- "Apparently my quotes aren't working." here is the bizarre thing -- in my email notification the quotes came thru with your responses. and here on the website no quotes.....
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
I deleted the quote BB code since it wasn't showing up properly. It was originally there.
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Cond./ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea / Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: JC Rockin' Ringlets, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens
I'm a pretty active sleeper (I taped myself for a few nights before a sleep study), so I'm not sure if that would work or not. Using a buff is the closest thing to 2nd day hair that I can get. I haven't used it for a while, because I always end up throwing it across the room in the middle of the night, haha. I need to go back to using that - it contains my hair without the hair tie that pulls my curls out. Such curl problems.
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Cond./ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea / Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: JC Rockin' Ringlets, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens
I think I can't get a gel cast, because I diffuse. I put my gel on today after I plopped instead of before, and I still didn't get a gel cast. I also didn't use the JC RR either. I still don't have a gel cast, but my hair did turn out pretty darn fantastic. It looks so much different, and I think I like it a lot better. I also got tons more shrinkage too, which is good since the longness irritates me, especially when it gets stuck in my winter coat.

I think I've found an important technique. Halfway through diffusing, I scrunch a little bit of KCCC on my hair over my gel. It helped a lot with frizz, and it re-clumped my hair. I am pretty amazed at how it turned out.
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Cond./ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea / Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: JC Rockin' Ringlets, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens

Last edited by sixelamy; 02-05-2015 at 08:45 AM.
Sounds like smasters Wish I could do that; anytime I add something extra it is a total disaster LOL. Can't use KCCC anyway (stupid marshmallow extract!).

Are you using the AIF? I don't get as much of a gel cast with that one either as compared to other things. But with my Mega I get a great gel cast, and I diffuse all the time! Interesting, might be an ingredient thing.

Let us know how it holds up - glad you're having a good hair day!
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, WF365FF, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, VolumaxMega, AIF, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
Yes, I am using the AIF. I used to get a great gel cast with HESMU, and it's the same exact gel, with an additional ingredient. Of course, I was air drying back then. Maybe I should try a different gel and see. Thing is, most of the hard hold gels contain parabens that I won't touch with a 9ft pole. It's frustrating trying to find a gel with no parabens and no silicones or polyquats.
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Cond./ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea / Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: JC Rockin' Ringlets, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens
I rarely get a gel cast when I diffuse my hair. The only exceptions I can think of are when I use SCE Hard Hold Gel (and admittedly shipping times can be awful), Deva Ultra Defining Gel, and the new Aveda gel that I just tried (Flax Seed Aloe Gel).
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3a/f/iii
Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
I really wanted to like SCE products, but I think she uses way too much preservatives or something. The samples I ordered smelled awful and they all made me itch. Sadly, I threw them all way not even trying the hard hold one

I'm getting my hair cut pretty soon, I may look at the Aveda one when I go, thanks for the suggestion! Aveda has some really nice products.
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Cond./ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea / Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: JC Rockin' Ringlets, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens

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