Hair cut!

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Ok so I have been letting my hair grow for a few years to get rid of old keratin treatment and flat ironing damage and I got it cut short the other day and am now trying to find the perfect product combo (natural products with no sulfates, silocones, pvp, or artificial colors). I am also still trying to figure out my hair type. The descriptions for 3B and 2C fit my hair as far as texture goes because it is coarse and thick, but thinning since I just turned 30 but the size of curls looks to me like pictures ranging from 3A to 3B. (Looser in the top tighter under).

This is the day after cut with asiam leave in conditioner and curling jelly. Plopped first, air dried then diffused.

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Oh so the question is what would you call my curl type?

And do you have any natural product suggestions? I also use oils from argan, grapeseed, coconut and olive but coconut oil makea me frizz (although it softens nicely) I kinda want something with harder hold that doesnt flake. (Kccc flakes on me as do any gells containing pvp or polyquats)

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I agree, overall 3a. It's hard to recommend product given limited information. I always like to look at signatures around the forum of people with similar hair to mine and see what they use and try some stuff out.
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2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Conditioner/ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea, Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
STYLER: Ouidad Climate Control, KCCC, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, JC Rockin' Ringlets
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens
The only problem with the signatures is people use a lot of abbreviations that I am not familiar with.

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I've never tried almond oil but I love Olive oil for deep conditioning.

I live in central fl and humectants make me frizz so I think products with antihumectants are helpful to ward off frizz.

I honestly don't have a clue as too porosity. I think maybe mixed. Some strands sink some float. My hair is super healthy right now and its only been colored a couple of times to cover greys other wise fairly virgin hair.

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The only problem with the signatures is people use a lot of abbreviations that I am not familiar with.

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Originally Posted by Ashleynicol

Acronyms/Abbreviations/Definitions!
CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Winter Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO:
Tresemme Expert Selection Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care
LI (if needed):
Tresemme Expert Selection Perfectly (un)Done
Stylers: FSG, L'Oreal Studio Clean gel, Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's as needed
Maybe this would help.

Acronyms/Abbreviations/Definitions!
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Conditioner/ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea, Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
STYLER: Ouidad Climate Control, KCCC, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, JC Rockin' Ringlets
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens
I've never tried almond oil but I love Olive oil for deep conditioning.

I live in central fl and humectants make me frizz so I think products with antihumectants are helpful to ward off frizz.

I honestly don't have a clue as too porosity. I think maybe mixed. Some strands sink some float. My hair is super healthy right now and its only been colored a couple of times to cover greys other wise fairly virgin hair.

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Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
To tell porosity (other than getting a hair analysis), drying time and also how product behaves on your hair are two indicators. If hair takes a long time to dry, it is low porosity; short time indicates higher porosity. If product just sits on your hair, low porosity; if hair absorbs tons of product then high porosity.

If your hair has been colored a few times chances are you are higher porosity.

Your hair looks like it has everything from 2C-3B (so I agree with 3A on balance). As time goes by and you figure out what's best for your hair the pattern may tighten more.

2B/2C/f/i
Baby fine brown hair, fluctuating porosity (currently low)
No poo: AVG mixed with glycerin
Stylers: SS CEJ, SS protein spray, homemade gelatin hair gel Andalou Naturals styling gel, customized SCE crazy curly FSG (sans PVP), MGA sculpting gel
Treatments: amla, fenugreek, irish moss, aloe vera powder, rosemary and chamomile tea rinse (with marshmallow root and irish moss water), henna, hydrogen peroxide
IA Girl's PT, SS PT
This is as tight as its gonna get. Ive been cg and natural products for 3 years now.




And as far as porosity neither of those methods make sense because my hair loves a lot of product but also takes forever tod dry. So it carries properties of low porosity and high porosity. I think it takes forever to dry because its so thick though. Takes about 3 hours to air dry.




Also I can't see the signatures with the curltalk app. :/


So anyway if anyone has used any natural products that they like please let me know what it is and where you can get it I would appreciate it. I also like flax seed gel.



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Last edited by Ashleynicol; 03-20-2015 at 03:38 PM.
Where do you get curl junkie products in stores? I can't seem to even be able to google the ingredients for this product line.
Edit. Never mind found it. Full of pvps polyquants and propelyn glyclol ugh.




Oh I also tried making jel with "gelatin" and it's not too bad but a bit watery to work with. Im considering making half and half gelatin and flaxseed gel.

Last edited by Ashleynicol; 03-20-2015 at 03:54 PM.
Ah, thought you were new at first. I know there are others on here that combine flaxseed and gelatin and like it. I was never able to mix them together well, but when I tried it did make the consistency much easier to work with. Also adding cornstarch made a better consistency (but I couldn't figure out how to use cornstarch without it turning white in the hair).

Yeah, density definitely impacts dry time… you lucky people with the high density hair! I have low density hair but it still takes forever to dry. If I didn't diffuse it would take close to 2 days (!). Your dry time might also be influenced by the product you use… if I use KCCC my hair never dries.

That being said the float test is unreliable; the other methods are more so but the hair analysis is the only sure fire way to know.

My signature contains the products I use; they are virtually chemical free for the most part, no fragrance either. My hair properties are rather opposite of yours, but you may like the products anyway. Feel free to ask about any abbreviations in my siggy; some of the abbreviations are spiral solutions and sweet curls elixirs and max green alchemy.

2B/2C/f/i
Baby fine brown hair, fluctuating porosity (currently low)
No poo: AVG mixed with glycerin
Stylers: SS CEJ, SS protein spray, homemade gelatin hair gel Andalou Naturals styling gel, customized SCE crazy curly FSG (sans PVP), MGA sculpting gel
Treatments: amla, fenugreek, irish moss, aloe vera powder, rosemary and chamomile tea rinse (with marshmallow root and irish moss water), henna, hydrogen peroxide
IA Girl's PT, SS PT
Those max green alchemy products look interesting... but expensive. I wish these companies made samples so like if it doesn't work I don't feel like I waisted money. Im so afraid it will flake.
It's never flaked for me, but maybe start a thread asking about it, because I know several people on this site use it and can chime in. MGA for me provides hold and definition but I need to use it on combination with other products or later in the drying process (because almost all products weigh down my hair, esp if they don't have protein). Since your hair is thicker it would probably be a non issue for you. I use MGA with the SMasters method, and lately have tried putting (more) of my gelatin gel over that. Seems to work fairly well.
Another place to look for cheaper products is on the swap board. You can also try contacting the company and ask if they'd consider sending you a sample. Jessicurl did this for me.

2B/2C/f/i
Baby fine brown hair, fluctuating porosity (currently low)
No poo: AVG mixed with glycerin
Stylers: SS CEJ, SS protein spray, homemade gelatin hair gel Andalou Naturals styling gel, customized SCE crazy curly FSG (sans PVP), MGA sculpting gel
Treatments: amla, fenugreek, irish moss, aloe vera powder, rosemary and chamomile tea rinse (with marshmallow root and irish moss water), henna, hydrogen peroxide
IA Girl's PT, SS PT
Well I ordered the max green alchemy gel and sculpting gel from amazon.
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No help on the topic here but I just wanted to say I really like the way your layers are around your face. I'm growing out a fringe, that I always straightened, and your hair is how I envisioned mine looking but sadly it doesn't seem to be happening that way. You're lucky!
3b in South Australia.
Well thank you. I just chopped it off it was down to my bra line in the back
Well the max green alchemy stuff smells terrible and is the worst flaking gel I've ever tried.
I am no expert but for what I ve seen I would say your hair is a 3a type...I love your curls, especially in the front!! So pretty!
And as far as porosity neither of those methods make sense because my hair loves a lot of product but also takes forever tod dry. So it carries properties of low porosity and high porosity. I think it takes forever to dry because its so thick though. Takes about 3 hours to air dry.
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
Three hours is not 'forever'. That's standard drying time and indicates 'normal' porosity (I think high is one to two hours, if I remember rightly).

Low porosity hair takes six hours, sometimes more to dry. My hair is low-medium and can take about eight hours with product in!

Also, I'm assuming this is with loads of product in your hair? That really lengthens drying time, so your hair may even be prorous. IDK. I'd advise seeing how long your hair takes with no product to get an accurate 'reading'
3B. Medium porosity. Medium Thickness. High density.

Low-poo: SM Coconut & Hibiscus
Conditioner: Jason Moisturising Aloe Vera

Leave-in: Aunt Jackie's Curls & Coils Quench Moisture Intensive OR a baptism rinse.
Gel: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity
Re-moisturising/refreshing: TRESemmé Naturals conditioner


UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Growing my hair out Rapunzel-style
And as far as porosity neither of those methods make sense because my hair loves a lot of product but also takes forever tod dry. So it carries properties of low porosity and high porosity. I think it takes forever to dry because its so thick though. Takes about 3 hours to air dry.
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
Three hours is not 'forever'. That's standard drying time and indicates 'normal' porosity (I think high is one to two hours, if I remember rightly).

Low porosity hair takes six hours, sometimes more to dry. My hair is low-medium and can take about eight hours with product in!

Also, I'm assuming this is with loads of product in your hair? That really lengthens drying time, so your hair may even be prorous. IDK. I'd advise seeing how long your hair takes with no product to get an accurate 'reading'
Originally Posted by BotticelliBrit

Well this morning I washed at 6am and with product it is fully dry by 10am. Some products will take even longer and I try to avoid those products. The products I used to day are yes to carrots for my leave in conditioner and aussie instant freeze mega hold gel.

Without product it takes about 3 hours to dry because about once a week I wash at night and rinse out everything and don't use anything becuase I want to see what my naked hair condition is. I'll watch a movie or something and it takes a good 3 hrs to fully dry.

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