Does ANYONE like undefined hair anymore??

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​I prefer large, poofy styles like blowouts, unstretched (actual) wash n' gos, and 70's style fros to braid outs and twist outs. This has gotten me quite a few sideeyes and "frizzy" comments (even from a stylist!), But I can deal with that. My style makes me feel fab and fly, so I soar above the haters.
But lately, all I ever hear about is "Curl Definition" and "The Perfect Curl." Here, Curly Nikki, BGLH, K is for Kinky, YouTube, Pintrest, Tumblr, conventions, meetups, brunches,THAT'S ALL I EVER HEAR!! I mean, sweet heavens above! I'm all for curls (I occasionally indulge in flex rods myself...), but maybe I just wanna be, ya know just NATURAL. I just wanna find ONE article that is not from last year and beyond that actually can help me do something other that define my hair. Very little manipulation, little to no pomades or gel, just care and nurturing.
I might be overreacting, but I'm just kinda upset over this. When I transitioned 4 years during my sophomore year of high school. I didn't celebrate when my thick 4a ringlets finally showed fully and I clipped of the last strips of damaged hair. That came about a year later when my hair finally met in the middle in a larger, less sectioned and divided version of the 4c sphere that my mom carried for years with pride. That ELATED me. And to see women with everything from me to my mom's same type seem to fight it tooth and nail with every method available...
It feels like the same insults that I got from everywhere else for everything else about me. From being a girl, to being black, to being light-skinned, to being a geek, to all of the above! And I'm sick of it. Instead of straight hair being the it thing, it's being loose to semi-loose curly or light textured by any means.
Heck, yesterday I just went to a natural stylist with a blown out fro who said "she has that good hair, she just keeps it super frizzy" and was told be to "be less lazy." I QUICKLY told her that the only "frizzy hair" is hair outside of an intended style, and to trust and believe that this was intended.
I just can't anymore folks, I just can't.
It's very confusing for myself as a new natural. I have seen people like yourself that say less manipulation of the hair is best. Some have even said they don't comb their's, they only finger comb. Then I hear others talking about the LOC method (liquid, oil, cream) - this is starting to go thru my pillowcase even though I wear a bonnet. I do see an overwhelming amount of post about curl definition and finding the right products to create the perfect curl. People are spending a ton of money on products and then trying to find the right combination. It's alot. Sadly, you shouldn't be shunned for wearing your hair as it grows out of your head - that is the true definition of natural.

How often do you comb through yours? Do you do twist outs at night and fluff out into a fro in the morning or just keep it in it's free form state daily until washing?
It's very confusing for myself as a new natural. I have seen people like yourself that say less manipulation of the hair is best. Some have even said they don't comb their's, they only finger comb. Then I hear others talking about the LOC method (liquid, oil, cream) - this is starting to go thru my pillowcase even though I wear a bonnet. I do see an overwhelming amount of post about curl definition and finding the right products to create the perfect curl. People are spending a ton of money on products and then trying to find the right combination. It's alot. Sadly, you shouldn't be shunned for wearing your hair as it grows out of your head - that is the true definition of natural.

How often do you comb through yours? Do you do twist outs at night and fluff out into a fro in the morning or just keep it in it's free form state daily until washing?
Some have even said they don't comb their's, they only finger comb.
Originally Posted by pjacksone
I'm one of those people combing makes my hair look blech and I find it really damaging for me. Finger detangling has been my thing for 2 years now.

Re, the general attitude toward curl definition: it's entirely preference. Some people just really like defined curls. Similarly, a lot of people don't and totally rock the wilder look. It's just what that individual likes on THEIR hair and you shouldn't take their own preferences for themselves personally. That'd be like them getting offended that you prefer less defined hair.

Though the majority of people on this site lean toward defined curls I've only seen love and support for those with less defined hair. It may not be a preference for some people here but that doesn't mean they don't love it on others. Whenever someone posts a picture of their fro or their less tamed hair, I've always seen really encouraging responses from people.

At the end of the day, just focus on yourself. Don't worry about what other people like. You needn't be so affected by people's preferences. If you like your hair your way, then cool. If others like it their way, then cool. Variety is the spice of life after all!
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Well, I don't ever really twist my hair. It tends to tangle up (even after I detangle it) too much while in twists. I may occasionally plait my hair while detangling, but otherwise i don't bother.
I really am not trying to say that low manipulation is best, because what works for you, works for you. I'm saying that it seems that the aim has turned away from being happy with what you have in whatever form, and more towards only "Perfect Curl & Clump," and it needs to go back to being balanced. When TWA's are turning towards an almighty sponge with holes for "good curls", and 9/10 articles are on gels, definition, and twistouts and not care, softness and health, something just might have gone wrong somewhere.
​I prefer large, poofy styles like blowouts, unstretched (actual) wash n' gos, and 70's style fros to braid outs and twist outs. This has gotten me quite a few sideeyes and "frizzy" comments (even from a stylist!), But I can deal with that. My style makes me feel fab and fly, so I soar above the haters.
But lately, all I ever hear about is "Curl Definition" and "The Perfect Curl." Here, Curly Nikki, BGLH, K is for Kinky, YouTube, Pintrest, Tumblr, conventions, meetups, brunches,THAT'S ALL I EVER HEAR!! I mean, sweet heavens above! I'm all for curls (I occasionally indulge in flex rods myself...), but maybe I just wanna be, ya know just NATURAL. I just wanna find ONE article that is not from last year and beyond that actually can help me do something other that define my hair. Very little manipulation, little to no pomades or gel, just care and nurturing.
I might be overreacting, but I'm just kinda upset over this. When I transitioned 4 years during my sophomore year of high school. I didn't celebrate when my thick 4a ringlets finally showed fully and I clipped of the last strips of damaged hair. That came about a year later when my hair finally met in the middle in a larger, less sectioned and divided version of the 4c sphere that my mom carried for years with pride. That ELATED me. And to see women with everything from me to my mom's same type seem to fight it tooth and nail with every method available...
It feels like the same insults that I got from everywhere else for everything else about me. From being a girl, to being black, to being light-skinned, to being a geek, to all of the above! And I'm sick of it. Instead of straight hair being the it thing, it's being loose to semi-loose curly or light textured by any means.
Heck, yesterday I just went to a natural stylist with a blown out fro who said "she has that good hair, she just keeps it super frizzy" and was told be to "be less lazy." I QUICKLY told her that the only "frizzy hair" is hair outside of an intended style, and to trust and believe that this was intended.
I just can't anymore folks, I just can't.
Originally Posted by luxallday08
You like what you like and there is absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong with that. Whatever style makes you feel beautiful: go with that style. Who care what other people want or care about? This is your hair, not someone else's. I also like 70s style fros; I thought they were beautiful and I love braid outs and twist outs.

Go with what you want. Forget about what everybody else is doing or saying. P.S. Truth be told, most of us would like to truly go "wash and wear" without all the manipulation we do every day.


I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier.
I think this may, at least in part, be the result of the site's having become more commercialized.

My personal goal is to love the hair that grows out of my head, and do my best to give it what it needs to be its best, then get out of its way so it can.
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It's all personal preference, as a few other people have stated.

For me, defined hair is a pretty natural state. Product-less, I'm still going to have coils and ringlets and pretty good definition---I just run the risk of my hair being really tangled and dry at the end of the day, which only makes my next shower longer. (And I'm a conditioner-only styler normally). I'm also not going to spend the extra time separating, blow drying, or picking/combing it to get bigger volume, so as a result, my hair usually looks pretty defined. But again, this is the hair that comes out of my scalp.

While I fully understand your frustration that particularly for tighter textures, as the super-defined coil/ringlet seems to be all the rage (over youtube and curl forums), I doubt that everyone spends that 45 min + shingling, twisting, etc. I, for one, prefer to stick to styles that don't make my fingers prune.

TL;DR If I count as 'anyone', then yes, people still like undefined hair.
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Last edited by Sandi; 05-14-2015 at 01:02 AM.
​I prefer large, poofy styles like blowouts, unstretched (actual) wash n' gos, and 70's style fros to braid outs and twist outs. This has gotten me quite a few sideeyes and "frizzy" comments (even from a stylist!), But I can deal with that. My style makes me feel fab and fly, so I soar above the haters.
But lately, all I ever hear about is "Curl Definition" and "The Perfect Curl." Here, Curly Nikki, BGLH, K is for Kinky, YouTube, Pintrest, Tumblr, conventions, meetups, brunches,THAT'S ALL I EVER HEAR!! I mean, sweet heavens above! I'm all for curls (I occasionally indulge in flex rods myself...), but maybe I just wanna be, ya know just NATURAL. I just wanna find ONE article that is not from last year and beyond that actually can help me do something other that define my hair. Very little manipulation, little to no pomades or gel, just care and nurturing.
I might be overreacting, but I'm just kinda upset over this. When I transitioned 4 years during my sophomore year of high school. I didn't celebrate when my thick 4a ringlets finally showed fully and I clipped of the last strips of damaged hair. That came about a year later when my hair finally met in the middle in a larger, less sectioned and divided version of the 4c sphere that my mom carried for years with pride. That ELATED me. And to see women with everything from me to my mom's same type seem to fight it tooth and nail with every method available...
It feels like the same insults that I got from everywhere else for everything else about me. From being a girl, to being black, to being light-skinned, to being a geek, to all of the above! And I'm sick of it. Instead of straight hair being the it thing, it's being loose to semi-loose curly or light textured by any means.
Heck, yesterday I just went to a natural stylist with a blown out fro who said "she has that good hair, she just keeps it super frizzy" and was told be to "be less lazy." I QUICKLY told her that the only "frizzy hair" is hair outside of an intended style, and to trust and believe that this was intended.
I just can't anymore folks, I just can't.
Originally Posted by luxallday08
My comment is not to be taken rudely, I am genuine about this.

If you'd like to see ONE article, why don't you write one!? Instead of being upset, why don't you do something to get your style out there? One isn't going to change the world by sitting behind a computer and complaining about it.

Go around to different boards and sites and you will see the majority's preference. Find a board or a site that you can relate to. Or better yet, start your own!

We're not about shunning people who wear their hair a certain way here, we're all about taking good care of your hair. Don't get it confused. Yes, most of us like defined curls, but we don't feel bad about that. A lot of us don't have the texture to wear our hair like you wear yours.
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Last edited by sixelamy; 05-14-2015 at 03:16 AM.
I just had to come back to this thread to say that I much prefer a slightly more "undefined" curl like Keri Russell's in the movie The Babysitter's Seduction. You will see that her curls are not super defined in this pic (nor were they for the entire movie); that's pretty much how I've got my hair to go today and I love it SO much more than a bunch of defined ringlets, personally. Running a wide tooth comb through dry hair will do this, if anyone wants to know. Again, go with what makes YOU happy. I don't care if other people like my hair or not, actually. I only care if *I* like it.

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I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier.

Last edited by AngelaE8654; 05-16-2015 at 10:01 PM.
Healthy hair always looks good! IMO, damaged, full of split ends, and brittle hair is "frizzy hair." Sometimes when people say "frizzy hair", they mean hair that does not conform to certain standards.

I've worn my in afros and afro puffs and was told my hair was healthy, and was asked what I used on it. These are the same questions asked when my hair is defined.
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Healthy hair always looks good! IMO, damaged, full of split ends, and brittle hair is "frizzy hair." Sometimes when people say "frizzy hair", they mean hair that does not conform to certain standards.

I've worn my in afros and afro puffs and was told my hair was healthy, and was asked what I used on it. These are the same questions asked when my hair is defined.
Originally Posted by Greatcurls
I agree. I've seen some afros that I thought were breathtaking. I've always loved the afro style, actually. And straight hair that is brittle and hangs down in craggy looking points does not look any better than "frizzy hair". Healthy hair does always look good.


I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier.

Last edited by AngelaE8654; 05-17-2015 at 11:12 PM.
Im in the middle. A little more definition means my wash-n-go can last an extra day or two with me looking crazy
Less definition = more volume

And I love big hair. So yes I prefer my hair when it's day 4/5. Big and frizzy. 😊
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As a wavy, I don't have much choice but to like undefined hair. LOL.
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When my hair is defined, it has practically no volume, which I hate. As the week goes on and my hair gets more undefined, it gets so big. Both have their ups and downs, so I can't really say that I absolutely favor one over the other.
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There are those who have tried wng's to no avail. For some, it's not as much about definition or the perfect curl, but trying to reduce the amount of tangles and single strand knots even when their ends are trimmed and moistured. I am one of those people.

I love the look of big, fluffy hair, but sadly it's not something that I can attain.

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I prefer fluffy over flat any day.
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I love my curls fluffed up. That's why I hate waiting for it to dry. I scrunch and fluff but i always have to carry a little gel with me to scrunch the ends or they frizz out. I should say I like fluffy non frizzy curls. Lol.
In fact my motto is "no definition? Mess it up as much as possible." Here I have third day and no definition unless I wash and style. Oribe Apres beach and rough luxury to mess it up as much as I can. Does ANYONE like undefined hair anymore??-imageuploadedbycurltalk1432220852.068589.jpg
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