Low dews - Flat hair!

So for the past few weeks, I've been doing my hair the same way:
washing = low-poo followed by a rinse-out conditioner
styling = UFDCM + BRHG (sometimes with AG: Recoil under the UFDCM, sometimes not).

That entire time, our dew points were moderate and sometimes even high. My hair looked great!
This week, though, is the first time our dews have really been low all winter, in the teens. I did my hair the same way today and it is soooo flat! There's just no volume whatsoever. I still have nice ringlets at the bottom, but the top several inches are very loose waves. I usually classify myself as a 2c/3a, but today I'd say the top half of my hair looks more like 2b, while the last few inches still look 3a.

I only started CG in June, so this is my first experience with low dews. I'm not sure what I need to change for winter to add volume. It's still very glossy, smooth, and not frizzy. The waves and curls are defined, just very loose. As a whole, it's just flat and limp.

Any ideas? Less product in winter? I always use a lot of product because I like a lot of hold so I can get 2-3 days out of my hair.
Maybe a change in products? If anything, I was worried about the aloe in the UFDCM as I know it's a humectant and people can have trouble with those drying their hair out in winter - so far my hair's not dry or frizzy though, so I don't think the aloe was an issue.
2c/3a
Porosity: low at roots; normal mid-shaft; high at ends
Texture: mix of medium & coarse
Density: medium


Low-Poo: SM Fruit Frusion
RO: Curl Junkie - Argon & OO; Smoothing; Strengthening
Stylers: AG:Recoil, CJPP, KCCC, UFDCM, BRHG, MGA Sculpting Gel, CCCCL (for day 2 and 3 refresh)


CG (or mod CG since I low-poo?) since June 2015
I'm still trying to figure out what to do in low dews too, but what has been helping me so far is to swap out my hard-hold gel for one that is a lighter hold. I've been using the Beautiful Curls Wavy to Curly gel, which has a consistency similar to flaxseed gel (lightweight, watery, kind of slimy). It does create a cast on the hair, but I would say it is only medium hold. My hair got really dry and limp from using my hard-hold gel that I had liked in the higher dews.

As for the aloe, I have found aloe to be absolutely wonderful for my hair in the low dews. Glycerin is maybe another story, however--I'm still experimenting. I don't think all humectants are created equal. I don't think that aloe causes problems for as many people as does glycerin. As long as you apply aloe-containing products to your hair while your hair is wet or pretty damp, I think you would lower the possibility of having a problem. (The only time I have a problem is when I apply aloe to hair that is dry or only slightly damp, in which case it makes my hair crispy.) I find that applying aloe when I style my hair in the a.m. makes a noticeable difference in my hair staying hydrated all day.
Low poo: Griffin Remedy Volumizing; Oribe Cleansing Creme
RO: Mineral Fusion Volumizing; Griffin Remedy Volumizing; Aubrey Organics GPB
LI: Alaffia BC; Intelligent Nutrients
Stylers: MGA Sculpting Gel; InnerSense whipped creme texturizer; Sevi Blue Yarrow Styling Pomade; Intelligent Nutrients Volumizing Spray; Intelligent Nutrients Perfect Hold Hairspray
Sealer: Intelligent Nutrients Styling Pomade

High-porosity 2a baby-fine hair with a coarse section at back of head
Thanks! I'll try leaving out the BRHG next time (or using just a dab). The first product I apply, the UFD Curly Magic, also has a consistency very similar to flaxseed gel. Perhaps that will be enough in low dews.
When you use the Beautiful Curls Wavy to Curly Gel you mentioned, do you use that alone or with another product underneath? Just curious since it sounds like it's about the same consistency as my styler.

Glad to hear aloe is working so well for you in low dews. I'm going to keep using it unless I notice an issue. I also always apply my products when my hair is very wet.

Thanks again for the tips! The dew point's back up to almost 40 today after a few very dry days, so I may have a little break before I need to put your tips to the test.
2c/3a
Porosity: low at roots; normal mid-shaft; high at ends
Texture: mix of medium & coarse
Density: medium


Low-Poo: SM Fruit Frusion
RO: Curl Junkie - Argon & OO; Smoothing; Strengthening
Stylers: AG:Recoil, CJPP, KCCC, UFDCM, BRHG, MGA Sculpting Gel, CCCCL (for day 2 and 3 refresh)


CG (or mod CG since I low-poo?) since June 2015
Aloe is a film-forming humectant, and those work a bit differently than the others. See here: http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.co...-they-are.html

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CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Winter Products /Routine:
Clarifying: Herbal Essences Tealightfully Clean
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: Suave Naturals Tropical Coconut or Daily Clarifying
RO:
Tresemme Expert Selection Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care, Suave Tropical Coconut or Daily Clarifying
LI (if needed):
Tresemme Perfectly (un)Done, Renpure Brazilian Keratin Straightening (old formula), Cure Care
Stylers: HETT, AIF
PT: IAGirl's as needed
Aloe is a film-forming humectant, and those work a bit differently than the others. See here: Science-y Hair Blog: Film Forming Humectants - What They Are and Why You Need Them

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Originally Posted by Geek_Chic
Great info, thanks Geek_Chic!
2c/3a
Porosity: low at roots; normal mid-shaft; high at ends
Texture: mix of medium & coarse
Density: medium


Low-Poo: SM Fruit Frusion
RO: Curl Junkie - Argon & OO; Smoothing; Strengthening
Stylers: AG:Recoil, CJPP, KCCC, UFDCM, BRHG, MGA Sculpting Gel, CCCCL (for day 2 and 3 refresh)


CG (or mod CG since I low-poo?) since June 2015
In the low dews, I have been using a bit of aloe, followed by a leave-in, followed by a texturizer, followed by the Beautiful Curls gel. I use quite a bit of the gel.

In the high dews, I used no leave-in but used a pomade, followed by a texturizer, followed by a hard-hold gel. My hair could not tolerate aloe in the humid weather.

When I refresh in the low dews, I wet my hair pretty well and use a bit of aloe, followed by my leave-in, followed by a little bit of the Beautiful Curls gel.

I might try taking out the texturizer in the low dews. I use it to give my hair some weight, but I don't know that I need that so much anymore--that might have been more necessary in the high dews. I tell you, my hair is like Jekyll and Hyde when I compare its needs between winter and summer!
Low poo: Griffin Remedy Volumizing; Oribe Cleansing Creme
RO: Mineral Fusion Volumizing; Griffin Remedy Volumizing; Aubrey Organics GPB
LI: Alaffia BC; Intelligent Nutrients
Stylers: MGA Sculpting Gel; InnerSense whipped creme texturizer; Sevi Blue Yarrow Styling Pomade; Intelligent Nutrients Volumizing Spray; Intelligent Nutrients Perfect Hold Hairspray
Sealer: Intelligent Nutrients Styling Pomade

High-porosity 2a baby-fine hair with a coarse section at back of head

Last edited by Therese1; 01-07-2016 at 10:40 PM.
So for the past few weeks, I've been doing my hair the same way:
washing = low-poo followed by a rinse-out conditioner
styling = UFDCM + BRHG (sometimes with AG: Recoil under the UFDCM, sometimes not).

That entire time, our dew points were moderate and sometimes even high. My hair looked great!
This week, though, is the first time our dews have really been low all winter, in the teens. I did my hair the same way today and it is soooo flat! There's just no volume whatsoever. I still have nice ringlets at the bottom, but the top several inches are very loose waves. I usually classify myself as a 2c/3a, but today I'd say the top half of my hair looks more like 2b, while the last few inches still look 3a.

I only started CG in June, so this is my first experience with low dews. I'm not sure what I need to change for winter to add volume. It's still very glossy, smooth, and not frizzy. The waves and curls are defined, just very loose. As a whole, it's just flat and limp.

Any ideas? Less product in winter? I always use a lot of product because I like a lot of hold so I can get 2-3 days out of my hair.
Maybe a change in products? If anything, I was worried about the aloe in the UFDCM as I know it's a humectant and people can have trouble with those drying their hair out in winter - so far my hair's not dry or frizzy though, so I don't think the aloe was an issue.
Originally Posted by curlync
I've used CJ Curl Queen in low dews and it still works pretty good, and aloe is a main ingredient in that gel. I ended up seeing that for me aloe works pretty great in low dews!

but, I have had a bit of an issue with jellies with agave, so things like KCCC or hello curly curl stimulator (I think the ingredients are pretty much identical to UFDCM- I haven't tried UFDCM) haven't been great for me in low dews. My hair ends up drying out eventually. So those have aloe in them but also agave, and when I used to make FSG I would add agave or honey for hold and my hair would dry out. I don't know- it's confusing for me!

I also use a lot of product because for me my hair sucks it up! Actually the other day I used CJ PP with curl queen over top (because PP doesn't hold enough on its own for me) and it worked pretty good actually. I don't know why I always experiment all of the time even if my hair is working out ok! Lol. I actually would love a consistent routine.
3a/3b
Normal-high porosity, Medium texture, High density
Live in Canada- hot summers, freezing winters- dry dry dry
Giovanni 50/50 shampoo / Jason Aloe conditioner
Max Green Alchemy Sculpting gel / BRHG / Jessicurl Spiralicious
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