Big or Little chop tomorrow?

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  • 1 Post By Ondulee

I have an appointment at Jonathan Torch 's Curly Hair Institute for a cut.


My hair is 3A/3B, and at the moment it's about 3 inches past bra-strap length.


I haven't been getting regular trims so my ends are a real tangled mess. the last time I detangled it took 20 minutes in the shower with a ton of really slippery conditioner.


So, should I go for a big chop(shoulder length) or should I just have the stylist cut as far up as needed to get to healthy hair? I can't decide what I want?


Help me decide please?
shoulder length inverted bob; fine; 3A-3B; med-thick density; normal porosity; normal elasticity- my hair loves keratin, ACV, silk protein ,Curlkeeper and AG:Recoil ; seems to hate moisturizing products and oils except mineral oil; CG- Jan/'09-mod CG Sept/'09;CG again Jan/'10/mod CG from Mar'10

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Judging from your avatar, your hair is gorgeous and will look good no matter what. If you're uncertain I'd go for a more conservative length off to start with, because you can always go shorter. Maybe if you like the results then next cut go a bit shorter and so on. I loved doing a big chop of sorts. But I did go overboard cutting some hairs too short and they stuck out and looked funny for awhile. They're a better length now but still not matching my length (after doing a 2nd cut too!), and this is over 2 months later. You may love short but if you don't you'll have to live with unhappiness for a few months afterwards. But just to throw in some more uncertainty, you may want to check out this thread for inspiration:
Curly Bobs Unite! What's to like about it.
I think it's on page 8 (where one of my fav cuts on the thread was posted, 3B hair), but every cut on there is gorgeous.
Let us know what you decide and how it turns out!

2C/3A/f/i
Baby fine hair, medium porosity
Shampoos: SM Fruit Fusion, KCCC, Avalon lemon (to clarify)
Stylers: Homemade Irish Moss Jelly, SCE Volume Foam, Andalou Hairspray
Treatments: Fermented Rice Water, Catnip Tea, Amla tea, Irish Moss
PT: IA Girl's PT and SS PT
my Avatar is my inspiration picture; I'm striving to get my hair that healthy! I wish it was mine but its just a free stock photo from the web...
I have that curl pattern but my hair is thinner...


so anyway, here's what really happened. I asked my stylist to cut off the damage and however short it was I would deal with it. She ended up needing only to cut off 4 inches. That leaves it just at bottom of bras strap length, still pretty long.


She also uses a lot more product than I'm used to but my hair looked fantastic afterward and I'm getting great second day hair and probably 3rd day hair tomorrow too.


Next time I wash, I'll try to duplicate the amount of product and her clipping and diffusing method to see if I can get great hair on my own!


she keeps recommending highlights because my hair is baby fine but I'm not really interested in a colour change. How could I get the texture and body that color apparently would give my hair without changing the color?
shoulder length inverted bob; fine; 3A-3B; med-thick density; normal porosity; normal elasticity- my hair loves keratin, ACV, silk protein ,Curlkeeper and AG:Recoil ; seems to hate moisturizing products and oils except mineral oil; CG- Jan/'09-mod CG Sept/'09;CG again Jan/'10/mod CG from Mar'10

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Last edited by Ondulee; 06-16-2016 at 10:43 AM. Reason: added a question
Nice, about the cut and style. Glad it turned out well. Hmm, texture and body from color? Like you, I'm a bit dubious about this.... if I were you I'd do treatments instead; you can check out some of the ones in my siggy. Amla gives texture and softness and more body; fermented rice water gives great health and helps fill out the hair. Catnip tea helps with texture, since it strengthens the hair (I have baby fine hair as well, so relate to that struggle).

2C/3A/f/i
Baby fine hair, medium porosity
Shampoos: SM Fruit Fusion, KCCC, Avalon lemon (to clarify)
Stylers: Homemade Irish Moss Jelly, SCE Volume Foam, Andalou Hairspray
Treatments: Fermented Rice Water, Catnip Tea, Amla tea, Irish Moss
PT: IA Girl's PT and SS PT
Nice, about the cut and style. Glad it turned out well. Hmm, texture and body from color? Like you, I'm a bit dubious about this.... if I were you I'd do treatments instead; you can check out some of the ones in my siggy. Amla gives texture and softness and more body; fermented rice water gives great health and helps fill out the hair. Catnip tea helps with texture, since it strengthens the hair (I have baby fine hair as well, so relate to that struggle).
Originally Posted by naturecat
may I ask a few questions? I read about Amla a really really long time ago but have forgotten, my hair is very soft already, would it make soft hair mushy? are the recipes for the fermented rice water and catnip tea on these boards, do they smell funny at all? I have a sensitive nose, I also don't want to attract cats since im allergic to them.
shoulder length inverted bob; fine; 3A-3B; med-thick density; normal porosity; normal elasticity- my hair loves keratin, ACV, silk protein ,Curlkeeper and AG:Recoil ; seems to hate moisturizing products and oils except mineral oil; CG- Jan/'09-mod CG Sept/'09;CG again Jan/'10/mod CG from Mar'10

receive $10 off 1st order of $40 & up, or $5 off on smaller orders, when using iHERB code: GIK909
Nice, about the cut and style. Glad it turned out well. Hmm, texture and body from color? Like you, I'm a bit dubious about this.... if I were you I'd do treatments instead; you can check out some of the ones in my siggy. Amla gives texture and softness and more body; fermented rice water gives great health and helps fill out the hair. Catnip tea helps with texture, since it strengthens the hair (I have baby fine hair as well, so relate to that struggle).
Originally Posted by naturecat
may I ask a few questions? I read about Amla a really really long time ago but have forgotten, my hair is very soft already, would it make soft hair mushy? are the recipes for the fermented rice water and catnip tea on these boards, do they smell funny at all? I have a sensitive nose, I also don't want to attract cats since im allergic to them.
Originally Posted by Ondulee
Ask away.

I'm not sure what amla would do to already soft hair, but herbal treatments are also drying so often need to be followed up with DC or the like. I've never had amla make my hair mushy; it gives it extra curl and spring. I use the tea only, as I actually find it gives me greater benefits than the paste treatments, with less hassle. The only downside is that the tea doesn't last as long (I wash my hair with shampoo too which doesn't help), but it's such low hassle that it's not a problem.
There are various recipes across the internet. Fermented Rice Water I do something different from most people, but any recipe works with this stuff. Catnip tea I use about 1 tsp to one cup water, but sometimes add more water before applying to my hair. You won't attract cats! Lol! Once catnip tea is hit with hot water it loses its appeal to cats. I'd know--I have two cats that are not shy about stating their preferences.
Personally I enjoy adding organic essential oils to some of my concoctions so you can try that if any scents bother you. I find that teas are pretty mild, compared to doing say, a full-on henna treatment (boy that stuff did have a distinct odor). Since the treatments are lasting, you can follow any of them with shampoo if you'd like, in case you smell anything. I do follow fermented rice water with shampoo, but not because of smell. It's so that it rinses cleanly and doesn't weigh down my hair.
One more tip: less is more with our hair. I used to do treatments all the time but am finding that it's better to alternate them so my hair doesn't get overwhelmed (I did two treatments a week before, heh).
Oh and FRW also helps with excessive hair shedding in case you struggle with that (as I do at times). So that alone can thicken up your hair.

2C/3A/f/i
Baby fine hair, medium porosity
Shampoos: SM Fruit Fusion, KCCC, Avalon lemon (to clarify)
Stylers: Homemade Irish Moss Jelly, SCE Volume Foam, Andalou Hairspray
Treatments: Fermented Rice Water, Catnip Tea, Amla tea, Irish Moss
PT: IA Girl's PT and SS PT
i will look into those, I'm especially interested in the Amla tea, I like 'curl and spring' .
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shoulder length inverted bob; fine; 3A-3B; med-thick density; normal porosity; normal elasticity- my hair loves keratin, ACV, silk protein ,Curlkeeper and AG:Recoil ; seems to hate moisturizing products and oils except mineral oil; CG- Jan/'09-mod CG Sept/'09;CG again Jan/'10/mod CG from Mar'10

receive $10 off 1st order of $40 & up, or $5 off on smaller orders, when using iHERB code: GIK909

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