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Old 03-30-2007, 01:55 PM   #1
 
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*sigh* I've read all the articles in the curl 411 tab learning about the all the different ingredients and now I'm more confused than ever! LOL So I need to know if there's any silicone or other nasty things in these two products. I'm doing a modified CG routine. I call it modified because I shampoo with a sulfate-free 'poo about twice a week so I don't mind water soluable 'cones. If I don't I get horrible build-up, even though I'm steering clear of 'cones and rinsing my condish out pretty well. My hair is a 2b/c depending on it's mood and the weather.

Anyway, on to the products!!!

First up: Loreal Vive Pro nutri gloss conditioner for curly/wavy hair. Here are the ingredients:

Aqua/Water, Stearyl Alcohol, Quaternium 87, Hydroxypropyl Starch Phosphate, Behentrimonium Chloride, Amodimethicone, Phenoxyethanol, Parfume (Fragrance), Polysorbate 20, Candelilla Cera/Candelilla Wax, Methylparaben, C11-15 Pareth 7, C12-16 Pareth 9, Glycerin, Trideceth 12, Hexyl Cinnamal, Chlorhexidine Dihydrochloride, Benzyl Salicylate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Linalool, Amyl Cinnamal, Hydroxycitronellal

Next up: Pantene ProV curl defining scrunching gel

Water, PVP, Laureth-23, VP/Dimethylaminoethylmethacrylate Copolymer, Panthenol, Panthenyl Ethyl Ether, Triisopropanolamine, Carbomer, DMDM Hydantoin, PEG 12 Dimethicone, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Disodium EDTA, Fragrance

I know the PEG 12 'cone is water soluable so I'm cool with that. What stumped me was the 4th ingredient starting w/ VP/Dimethyl.... Copolymer. Is that water soluable?

Thanks so much for your help. I feel like my hair is trying to curl and I just need to figure out what it likes. LOL I should change my avatar pic because I got a LOT of length cut off.
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Old 03-30-2007, 02:13 PM   #2
 
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Yep those are fine!
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the conditioner has Amodimethicone, which is not water soluable. However if you are shampooing a couple of times a week, that should be no problem. A lot of curlies seem to be able to use the a-cone without buidup even if they don't shampoo. You'll have to play around with it and see.

There is one of the Vive conditioners that does not have any silicones. I don't recall which one, but there seems to be a long thread somewhere on the board about it -- maybe over on the product review board???

I am guessing that the VP/Dimethylaminoethylmethacrylate is some type of hold agent like the PVP.
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the conditioner has Amodimethicone, which is not water soluable. However if you are shampooing a couple of times a week, that should be no problem. A lot of curlies seem to be able to use the a-cone without buidup even if they don't shampoo. You'll have to play around with it and see.

There is one of the Vive conditioners that does not have any silicones. I don't recall which one, but there seems to be a long thread somewhere on the board about it -- maybe over on the product review board???

I am guessing that the VP/Dimethylaminoethylmethacrylate is some type of hold agent like the PVP.
I completely overlooked that. I thought it was the ingredients for the cone free Vive too.
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Old 03-30-2007, 02:31 PM   #5
 
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here's the thread on the Vive Co that is cone-free.

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...c.php?t=101262
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Old 03-30-2007, 06:40 PM   #6
 
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Thanks! I didn't even see the a-cone!!!
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Ok, I just found the COOLEST thing!! I did a google search for that VP mystery ingredient and I found this: http://www.in-cosmetics.com/Exhibito...ence_Guide.pdf (I hope it's ok to post links!! ). If I'm reading this right, it sounds like it's water soluble (it's on pg. 12).
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Last night I thought to myself "wait a minute, I wouldn't have bought it if it had a 'cone in it" went and double checked the bottle and it DOESN'T have a-cone in it! I copied those ingredients from a website because I was too lazy to type out all those long ingredients. My bad. I guess the stuff is ok.

Are there any ingredients that are silicones hiding behind a non-"cone" name?
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I don't see any non "-cone" cones in there.

I remember when I started doing CG (years ago) after reading the Curly Girl book, I looked through the confounding ingredients lists so diligently and didn't buy ANYTHING with a -cone on the end.

Annnnnd, after coming here, I saw that "cyclopentasiloxane" was a cone, and a nasty one to boot... and my first co-washing conditioner had it. Booh. You'd think that would have been mentioned in the book!

So, anyway... look out for -cone and -xane.
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