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Old 04-06-2007, 01:22 PM   #1
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Default Dimethicone in SKIN care products?

With all of the cones talk on this board, I thought I'd post this here instead of on the makeup/beauty board. Cones build up on hair, but are they ok for face moisturizers? I'm interested in buying a skin cream, but it has dimethicone as the third ingredient. Good, bad? It doesn't coat the skin like mineral oil or petroleum does it? I'm trying to avoid those ingredients in my skin care products. My skin is on the dry side, if that makes a difference. I rarely have problems with sensitivity or breakouts.
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I know some people avoid cones because they break out from them

Cones doesn't really benefit the skin & is just added to make the skin feel smooth. Listed as the 3.ingredient, I would think it is too much.

Cones can be good in makeupprimers as they make a smooth base for applying foundation.
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Old 04-06-2007, 02:02 PM   #3
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I know some people avoid cones because they break out from them

Cones doesn't really benefit the skin & is just added to make the skin feel smooth. Listed as the 3.ingredient, I would think it is too much.

Cones can be good in makeupprimers as they make a smooth base for applying foundation.
Thanks - I was leaning toward another one that doesn't have cones, anyway, so I'll just go with that one!
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I go out of my way to avoid as much silicone as I can. Way down the list in body stuff I can tolerate but I am super careful about combing the ingredient list of anything I put on my face. It's almost impossible to avoid silicone in drugstore skincare though. I mostly have to hit the healthfood store.
Most of the new foundations and other non-powder make-up products are loaded with silicone. I know lots of people love that they blend well and what not but my skin just can't breathe under all that crap. I stick to natural moisturizers and mineral make-up.

If you don't break out, you might be fine with silicone products. I have fairly sensitive skin and find that silicone tends to break me out somethin' fierce. Especially the eeevil -xane 'cones. *shudder*
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Unless you break out, I don't think it's a problem. Your skin contantly sheds and regenerates itself, so you're not going to get build-up or anything. My eye make-up remover has cyclopentasiloxane as a top ingredient, and I never had a problem with it.
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Oooh, I don't even wanna think what that stuff would do around my eyes. :P I know most people are ok with it and it's the main ingredient in many of those color-matching foundations but there's no quicker way to p*ss my skin off. Before I really knew much about 'cones, I couldn't figure out why my skin hated all the neat new foundations that were coming out. I've finally pretty much traced it down to that 'cone though.
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Oooh, I don't even wanna think what that stuff would do around my eyes. :P I know most people are ok with it and it's the main ingredient in many of those color-matching foundations but there's no quicker way to p*ss my skin off. Before I really knew much about 'cones, I couldn't figure out why my skin hated all the neat new foundations that were coming out. I've finally pretty much traced it down to that 'cone though.
My skin reacts the same way and it took me years to figure it out. Foundations were always making my skin break out. Once I went cone free in hair care products, I noticed my hairline was not breaking out as much. Then I went cone free in skin care products too and I realized cones were a trigger that made my sensitive skin rebel.
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Skin is constantly shed, and is also full of oil glands that keep it moisturized. Since the dead skin cells flake off anyway, it's pretty hard for a product to build up on them. And oil glands can keep up with sulfates most of the time. Therefore, unless you have sensitive skin, it's okay to use cones and sulfates.

The difference is that hair just sheds every few years, and only the first couple of inches can benefit from oil glands. Couple this with the structure of curly hair (which makes it more prone to damage) and CG makes sense for a lot of people.
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Skincare products with cones work well for me when it's cold/dry. They really help prevent moisture from fleeing my skin.

In the summer they're more of a problem for me, but I can deal with them in lower amounts. Most sunscreens have cones in them; the natural sunscreens tend to have a lot of oils in them.

If you think you're sensitive or you are concerned, check your deo also, most of those have cones in them.
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Well the point of not being able to use cones on your hair is mostly for those who aren't using detergent cleansers to wash them off. Most people are using some type of cleanser on their face, so there wouldn't be any type of buildup. And like Eilonwy said, your skin cells shed frequently, whereas we're not shedding actual layers of our hair shaft.

Cones for your skin is meant to keep the moisture in, and protect your skin from elements such as wind and cold.
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I didn't think that it would build up on my skin (come on, I'm not that stupid ), more like it would clog pores or not do anything except give the appearance of smooth skin. I've heard that mineral oil and petroleum just lay on the skin's surface rather than moisturize, and that's what I figured dimethicone would do as well. I'm not anal about taboo ingredients in my hair products (cones don't bother my hair, nor do sulfates), but I am in my skin care because my skin dries out easily. Also, this is not a drugstore product - it's pretty expensive and has to be ordered, which is why I'm reading the ingredients list closely. I think I'm going to stick with the One C Night Repair, though, because it works well for me.
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Mineral oil/petrolatum (they're the same thing) and cones are used in skincare products to help you retain moisture. They do just lie on top of your skin, but they form a barrier by doing that. I find that having this "barrier" isn't enough, and some kind of humectant (like glycerin) or softener (like jojoba) is also needed. I think a good moisturizer would have petrolatum or a cone, plus a plant-derived substance, in the first 5 ingredients.
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Skincare products with cones work well for me when it's cold/dry. They really help prevent moisture from fleeing my skin.

In the summer they're more of a problem for me, but I can deal with them in lower amounts. Most sunscreens have cones in them; the natural sunscreens tend to have a lot of oils in them.

If you think you're sensitive or you are concerned, check your deo also, most of those have cones in them.
Yeah, the antiperspirant thing is a problem for me as well. I had to totally stop using drugstore antiperspirants/deoderants for almost a year because they all irritated the crap out of my underarms. We're talkin' really painful itchy redness. Every single drugstore deoderant I've found has cyclopentasiloxane in it! :P I used a mineral salts spray to prevent odor and just had to go without the antiperspirant. That's find for winter but I do sweat a lot and it drives me nuts so I've been experimenting with antiperspirants again and I'm having some success with the aresol sprays. The have the 'cone and aluminum but the aluminum content is just over half the percentage of the solids and gels and the spray delivery seems to give me a much more tolerable amount of cyclopentasiloxane. So far I'm not clawing my skin off and avoiding half my wardrobe/bras (it was a rough period, lemme tell ya!) so I'm pretty happy. Let's hope it keeps up.
If anyone knows of an antiperspirant (not just deoderant) that does not contain cyclopentasiloxane, please please PLEASE let me know!!
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I usually avoid lotions or creams with cones in them ever since I started CG, because I figured if they suffocate my hair, they're probably suffocating my skin. And I did notice that when I use a lotion with dimethicone or the such, that it does feel like it's coating my skin with a waxy feel. But at the same time I still use them when it's a scented lotion I really like, like some of the B&BW lotions. I don't feel like I'm really moisturizing my skin with them in the way I do with LUSH creams or lotions, and they do feel like they're just sitting on my skin and not absorbing through like a true moisturizing one would, but again it goes back to the lovely scents drawing me in.
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