Silcone's Bad Reputation -

Mineral oil is insoluble in water. That is some very greasy stuff to put in your hair, especially if you're under 3C. It should be one of the last ingredients, although I don't know why you'd need it to be present at all. A lot of cones are much better.
I thought the problem with silicones was that the silicone molecules propped open the follicle on curly hair, since it doesn't lay flat like straight hair. With the bigger molecules (cyclopentasiloxane), the problem was even worse. And the reason they're drying is, since the follicle is propped open, all the natural moisture from sebum and whatnot is let out.

I'd not heard that the silicones block new moisture... I thought the problem was that they let out old moisture. That would also explain why they work well for a few days, and then your hair goes to crap.

Don't know... I just know that my hair gets crappy if I use stuff with silicone in it.
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I thought the problem with silicones was that the silicone molecules propped open the follicle on curly hair, since it doesn't lay flat like straight hair. With the bigger molecules (cyclopentasiloxane), the problem was even worse.
Originally Posted by Leilani42
I was under the understanding that cylcopentasiloxane has a very small molecular size.That's why it gets jammed really well under the hair follicle and is super hard to remove.
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Just to add to the confusion, I thought that silicones help seal your folicle so that it is smooth but prevent moisture from entering. So that they hold in moisture but your hair isn't able to take in more moisture thus causing eventual dryness.

And I thought they are supposed to help hair dry faster, since silicones repel and shed water.
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The hair is "dead" in the sense that it doesn't have nerves or a blood supply and it cannot regenerate itself but it certainly is VERY reactive to everything in the environment and even what's going on in our bodies, even stress. Minerals secreted by our sweat glands deposit on it and can be detected through analysis, and so can many medications which can change the way it reacts to all chemical processes and even how it behaves.
Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
I agree. I would think that hair reacts to what is going on inside our bodies, such as stress and medications. I know I personally have gotten a bald spot which was attributed to stress.

But I am curious and have a question. Do you think that medications, etc. can change the way the old hair on our head behaves? I could see how medication, etc. could change what's going on with the hair that is still developing inside our bodies, but it seems once the hair "sprouts" and gets longer, the stuff we put on the inside of our bodies would no longer change the way our hair behaves.

For example, I can't see how taking vitamins could possibly help the hair on my head that is already six inches long. Similarly, I don't see how taking some other type of medication could worsen the hair on my head that is already six inches long (except if it were to fall out completely).

I hope my question makes sense? I feel I'm rambling.
Originally Posted by Brio
When I was in beauty school studying permanent waving I learned that they will often not "take" or the hair could get damaged on women who are on certain medications. Very often their hair could give off a strong odor which means the chemicals in the hair are reacting with those in the perm solution.

You see, when we take medications they are broken down by our liver into metabolites that can easily be excreted out of the body; the main route is through our kidneys but as we all learned in school toxins are also excreted from out body through our sweat glands. We don't even need to perspire profusely in order to end up with a bit of residue traveling down the shaft where it's absorbed and stored in the cortex.
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Thanks, HWHC. That's interesting. Any ideas what categories of medications are the most usual culprits for causing hair problems?

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Leilani,

"Propped open", i.e. "bumpy" as how I termed it, is exactly what I experienced with the silicones ending in -xane.

All along I've been using just about anything with silicones ending in -cone & I've had no problems.

I know the silicone issue is so confusing. My question is when removing the silicones what exactly will remove them? This is what I thought:
*Non water soluble cones you would need a sulfate shampoo.
*Water soluble cones you could use coco betaine or a mild surfectant.
Also is dimethicone considered water soluble or not? And would that cone need a sulfate to remove. That is in almost every leave in/and or conditioner that I see. I wish I could find a list of all product with only cones that are water soluble in the hair products.
And why would shampoo's put in any type of cone. Crazy.
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Dimethicone is not soluble, but it's also not terribly hard to remove from the hair, in normal amounts. A non-sulfate shampoo would do it.
As I posted in another thread, I've just bought a silicone serum that contains the c-xane cone, the tri-cone and dimethicone. in my experience, amodimethicone doesn't work with my hair for some reason. so I will post back in a few days with my results of the serum. It pretty much is ONLY cones in the ingredients, nothing else.

I sulfate most times I wash anyway, without sulfates my 3b curls go fluffy, flimsy and overconditioned. Whilst sulfates may dry out some hair, for some reason my hair likes them So I dont see why using silicones WOULD be bad for me if i'm sulfate-pooing them out?

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I've wondered the same thing about silicones and sulfates. Here's my deal, though. If silicones coat/protect your hair and sulfates clean out the silicones, it stands to reason that they would balance each other out. At least, that's how I see it. The 'cones protect your hair from the sulfates which remove them? LOL. Maybe that's why shampoos contain silicones AND sulfates - so it will help protect the hair and still prevent build-up.

I don't know.

I do know this, though. Things I have discovered:

1) My hair likes shampoo
2) My hair did not like a "pure" CG routine - it dried out and frizzed worse than usual
3) My hair likes the cheap no-'cone conditioners (VO5, Suave) better than my GF Curl & Shine conditioner because it curls better
4) My hair doesn't care which gel it uses out of the following: Dep Sport, LA Looks Sport, Got2Be Spiked Up, and HE SMU. (Although, well.. honestly, I think it likes the SMU JUST a bit more.)
5) My hair likes high heat, high speed, bowl-diffusing drying
6) My hair requires hairspray. If I don't use it, my hair gets pissed and attacks my head by being limp.

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Originally Posted by entipy
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Originally Posted by entipy
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Originally Posted by msgiblet
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For some people, the drying effects of shampoo are not in any way counteracted by silicones. For some, silicones create a greasy or gunky feel. For some, silicones create frizz.

But for those whose hair likes silicones and doesn't mind shampoo, go for it! Everyone's hair is different.
Everyone's hair is different.
Originally Posted by SuZenGuide
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