Silcone's Bad Reputation -

I often read on the BB about how bad silicone is. It's often said that it will dry your hair out because it coats the hair shaft and keeps moisture from getting inside. Can any one point me to some information on silicone that talks about that aspect? I'd like to do some more reading on the subject.

I have looked through the CG book. All I recall Ms. Massey stating is that silicones weigh down curly hair. Am I missing something in her book?

thanks a bunch!

Frizz Happens!


my Fotki hair journey/experiment diary PW is brio (and I really need to update it!)

3A hair; coloring with henna/indigo since July 2009; normally follow the CG method. Still searching for my HG products!

All I could find in MY CG book was a sentence that said that silicones can be hard to remove, so to use them sparingly or not at all.

All the internet sources that I have read that are anti-silicone for hair (outside of nc.com) had non-silicone products to sell or were generally alarmist about everything non plant-sourced. The cosmetic industry sources that I've read are strongly pro-silicone, but their articles are supported by advertising (by companies that produce silicones). According to these articles, silicones actually strengthen hair and improve its resilience.

I'd be delighted to learn of any neutral studies done on hair & silicones.
formerly Castella
(my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
I do think silicones weigh my hair down, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, when that's what I'm looking for; but I think that Lorraine isn't working on that theme, I think she's more into "setting your hair free," and working your mind around that. YOu know, letting your hair do it's thing, as it were . . . .

The bad thing about silicones for me is the shampoo that was necessary to remove them. Having witnessed how much my hair's health improved after cutting out the use of detergent shampoos, I can't ignore the truth, which is that shampoo was really drying my hair out.

Also, for awhile I'd continued to use silicone gels even though I wasn't using shampoo, and my ends dried out so badly that they snapped off. So I concluded that if you don't wash them off they will lead to brittle hair. This isn't to say that the silicones are causing the damage because there's something toxic about them, but I can believe the theory that they smother your hair; the quality that blocks the humidity out also blocks the conditioning moisturizers out. Makes sense to me.

That said, nothing made my hair look as shiny and un-frizzy as silicone gels. It's not worth the split ends to me, but I certainly understand their advantage.
I often read on the BB about how bad silicone is. It's often said that it will dry your hair out because it coats the hair shaft and keeps moisture from getting inside. Can any one point me to some information on silicone that talks about that aspect? I'd like to do some more reading on the subject.

I have looked through the CG book. All I recall Ms. Massey stating is that silicones weigh down curly hair. Am I missing something in her book?

thanks a bunch!
Originally Posted by Brio
I "think" the Ouidad book says something about the bolded.
I remember the CG book saying that silicones require sulfates to remove, and sulfates are what's really bad for curly hair. If they are not removed, they build up and suffocate the hair, and if they are removed, the detergent used dries out the hair.
*Poster formerly known as Bailey422*

Here's all you have to know about men and women: women are crazy, men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is that men are stupid. ~ George Carlin
All I could find in MY CG book was a sentence that said that silicones can be hard to remove, so to use them sparingly or not at all.

All the internet sources that I have read that are anti-silicone for hair (outside of nc.com) had non-silicone products to sell or were generally alarmist about everything non plant-sourced. The cosmetic industry sources that I've read are strongly pro-silicone, but their articles are supported by advertising (by companies that produce silicones). According to these articles, silicones actually strengthen hair and improve its resilience.

I'd be delighted to learn of any neutral studies done on hair & silicones.
Originally Posted by Castella
I think you may be right. Unbiased view points are probably hard to come by.

Frizz Happens!


my Fotki hair journey/experiment diary PW is brio (and I really need to update it!)

3A hair; coloring with henna/indigo since July 2009; normally follow the CG method. Still searching for my HG products!

I often read on the BB about how bad silicone is. It's often said that it will dry your hair out because it coats the hair shaft and keeps moisture from getting inside. Can any one point me to some information on silicone that talks about that aspect? I'd like to do some more reading on the subject.

I have looked through the CG book. All I recall Ms. Massey stating is that silicones weigh down curly hair. Am I missing something in her book?

thanks a bunch!
Originally Posted by Brio
I "think" the Ouidad book says something about the bolded.
Originally Posted by pinksugar
I think you are correct. I received a Quidad newsletter yesterday.

"Although many people use heavy, silcone-based products to control their curls, Quidad pleads 'let your curls breath'! These thick stylers leave the hair limp and clog the cuticle, preventing vital nutrients and hydration from feeding the hair shaft." (Quidad CurlTalk, Spring 2007)

I dunno. Something about "feeding" the hair doesn't make sense to me. It's dead. I suppose hair is absorbent, nonetheless.

Frizz Happens!


my Fotki hair journey/experiment diary PW is brio (and I really need to update it!)

3A hair; coloring with henna/indigo since July 2009; normally follow the CG method. Still searching for my HG products!

I remember the CG book saying that silicones require sulfates to remove, and sulfates are what's really bad for curly hair. If they are not removed, they build up and suffocate the hair, and if they are removed, the detergent used dries out the hair.
Originally Posted by Bailey422
I re-read the book yesterday, albeit quickly. I couldn't find that anywhere.

Frizz Happens!


my Fotki hair journey/experiment diary PW is brio (and I really need to update it!)

3A hair; coloring with henna/indigo since July 2009; normally follow the CG method. Still searching for my HG products!

The way I see it, silicones can't dry your hair on their own. You usually apply silicones when your hair is somewhat wet, right? Well if silicones really formed a water-impervious shield, then they'd be keeping that moisture in and your hair wouldn't dry out at all! In fact, your hair would just stay wet all the time.

However, if you use water-insoluble silicones other than amodimethicone, you have to use sulfates to remove them. And sulfates will definitely dry your hair out. The real point of CG is to avoid sulfates. Avoiding silicones is incidental, although I find that water-insoluble cones quickly build up on my hair.

I dunno. Something about "feeding" the hair doesn't make sense to me. It's dead. I suppose hair is absorbent, nonetheless.
Originally Posted by Brio
The hair is "dead" in the sense that it doesn't have nerves or a blood supply and it cannot regenerate itself but it certainly is VERY reactive to everything in the environment and even what's going on in our bodies, even stress. Minerals secreted by our sweat glands deposit on it and can be detected through analysis, and so can many medications which can change the way it reacts to all chemical processes and even how it behaves.

As for feeding it, there is no denying that putting natural ingredients that are compatible with the chemical structure of the hair improves its texture, feel and appearance usually in more lasting ways than using artificial ingredients. So, maybe hair is not biologically "alive" but from a molecular point of view I feel it definitely is. Scientifically accurate or not I don't regard hair as really "dead", as long as it's still attached to a live head IMO it's "alive" too.

As for 'cones, I doubt if there are any "studies" and if there are they'd probably been conducted by companies who use them in their products so they could be biased as well. Anyway, there are SO many of them and so many types of hair in different types of condition that it would be practically impossible to come to any valuable conclusion. I believe the testimony of others will have to suffice for most of us, always remembering the many variables involved. Anyway, if you don't believe it the only way you can be sure one way or the other is to do your own experimenting.

I''ve been on CG for 5 years now and on a couple of occasions when my hair wouldn't respond to anything else I used products with 'cones. I guess the way I really feel about 'cones is the way I feel about junk food: not to be had as mainstay but OK every now and then!
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
[quote="Brio"][quote="pinksugar"]
I received a Quidad newsletter yesterday.

"Although many people use heavy, silcone-based products to control their curls, Quidad pleads 'let your curls breath'! These thick stylers leave the hair limp and clog the cuticle, preventing vital nutrients and hydration from feeding the hair shaft." (Quidad CurlTalk, Spring 2007)
Originally Posted by Brio
Guess what Ouidad, hair doesn't breathe! It's bad enough to "feed" hair and think it "eats". Now we think it "breathes". So much of the hair talk given by hair experts is pseudo-science. Being a great stylist doesn't make you a scientist, so I'd appreciate if these so called experts would just stick with the styling advice and stay out of territory that they know nothing about. It is insulting to those of us women that know the difference between science and nonsense, and misleading to those of us women that don't know that difference.
3c fine-textured shoulder-length spirals with layered cut. I Like Pantene relaxed & nat. condish, biolage gelee, and Suave aloe gel. Cutting my own hair these days, and I'm a plopper too!
Brio, no matter what, I have to say that your curls are gorgeous, so I wouldn't worry too much and just continue what you are doing. Your hair looks great!!

That being said, I am always looking for more info beyond just one or two sources. While doing a search, I found this very interesting site: thebeautybrains.com. I'm sure that there are two sides to everything, but it's an interesting explanation. Just food for thought.

Here's the link to the page I pulled:

http://thebeautybrains.com/2007/02/1...uffocate-hair/

Carlyís Question:
There has been a lot of controversy lately about silicones in hair products. I am a member of a naturally curly hair website and many of the members are anti-silicone because of the claims that silicones bond to the hair and do not allow moisture into the hair shaft. Supposedly once the silicone is on the hair it acts as a barrier between your hair shaft and any moisture. Is all of this true, or is it just a myth? I will sometimes use a silicone product, but then later feel guilty that I am suffocating my hair, and wash it all off. I think it would be great if you can let everyone know the truth behind silicones.

The Right Brainís Response:silicone suffocate
Questions about silicones being bad for your hair come up a lot. But you can just call us the cosmetic mythbusters, Carly, because silicones do not really cause the problem you described. Shampoos and conditioners that contain a high level of high molecular weight, water insoluble silicones can build up on hair, that much is true. And if you over-use products like this everyday, it is possible to end up with hair that feels weighed down and limp. But even this does happen, youíre not really suffocating your hair.

3 Reasons Why Silicone Canít Suffocate Hair:

1) Even if you didnít wash all the silicone out, weíve never seen any data that indicates that a small amount of silicone residue acts as a ďbarrierĒ between hair shaft and moisture. On average, your hair contains about 8 to 14% water by weight but it will equilibrate to the ambient humidity. In other words, it will pick up moisture when itís very humid and it will lose moisture when itís very dry. Slight silicone residue wonít substantially change that. Now, if you slather on a heavy layer of a silicone hair treatment product, thatís a different story!

2) Even though your hair absorbs moisture from the environment, its state of dryness isnít completely controlled by this external water. Dryness is more a function of how damaged your hair is and how much natural lipids it contains.

3) Even if you did block your hair from absorbing moisture, the silicone would act like a moisturizing agent because it would plasticize and lubricate your hair. It would essentially fight the effects of dryness.

The Beauty Brains Bottom Line: If you use a silicone containing product and you like the way it makes your hair look and feel, DONĒT WORRY ABOUT IT! Donít feel guilty because some people tell you that itís ďbadĒ for your hair.
Fine, blonde 3a botticelli curls
Oh, and one more site I found when doing my google search that is scientifically based by Dow Corning. I like this one a lot. Since I do use a blow dryer with a diffuser, I like knowing that silicones can help prevent damage.

http://www.dowcorning.com/content/pu...%20Care&DCWSS=
Fine, blonde 3a botticelli curls
I'm not CG (I shampoo & condition just about every day), but I personally avoid 'cones because they tend to weigh my hair down. The a-cone seems to be fine for my hair, depending where in the ingredient list it falls, but the cyclo...ane one is absolutely HORRID!! It's absolute frizz city for me
Discovered nc.com in 09/2003

2b~~fine texture~~normal porosity (except for highlights, which are high)~~normal elasticity~~medium density


Shampoo: Still use sulfates, but only on roots
Rinse out: Deva One C, JC Too Shea, Original Sprouts Deep Conditioner
Curl Enhancers: KCCC; JC Rocking Ringlets, JC Spiralicious, & Confident Coils
Styler: BRHG (over any and all curl enhancers) - this is the one product that I never change - absolute HG!!


I




"Although many people use heavy, silcone-based products to control their curls, Ouidad pleads 'let your curls breath'! These thick stylers leave the hair limp and clog the cuticle, preventing vital nutrients and hydration from feeding the hair shaft." (Ouidad CurlTalk, Spring 2007)
Originally Posted by Brio
This is written by the same person whose top selling product (Climate Control Gel) contains dimethicone, and Clear Control Pomade contains mineral oil, second on the ingredients list behind water. (Even more contradictory, the instructions for the pomade start with the phrase "Clear Control is a unique water-soluble pomade with added conditioners....")

Am I missing something here? No guano intended, I'm just wondering if she's talking out of both sides of her mouth on this issue...
"Things are exactly as they should be, all evidence to the contrary."

password = niner

The hair is "dead" in the sense that it doesn't have nerves or a blood supply and it cannot regenerate itself but it certainly is VERY reactive to everything in the environment and even what's going on in our bodies, even stress. Minerals secreted by our sweat glands deposit on it and can be detected through analysis, and so can many medications which can change the way it reacts to all chemical processes and even how it behaves.

Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
I agree. I would think that hair reacts to what is going on inside our bodies, such as stress and medications. I know I personally have gotten a bald spot which was attributed to stress.

But I am curious and have a question. Do you think that medications, etc. can change the way the old hair on our head behaves? I could see how medication, etc. could change what's going on with the hair that is still developing inside our bodies, but it seems once the hair "sprouts" and gets longer, the stuff we put on the inside of our bodies would no longer change the way our hair behaves.

For example, I can't see how taking vitamins could possibly help the hair on my head that is already six inches long. Similarly, I don't see how taking some other type of medication could worsen the hair on my head that is already six inches long (except if it were to fall out completely).

I hope my question makes sense? I feel I'm rambling.

Frizz Happens!


my Fotki hair journey/experiment diary PW is brio (and I really need to update it!)

3A hair; coloring with henna/indigo since July 2009; normally follow the CG method. Still searching for my HG products!

Brio, no matter what, I have to say that your curls are gorgeous, so I wouldn't worry too much and just continue what you are doing. Your hair looks great!!
Originally Posted by botticellicurlygirl
hehehe! Of course I can't continue to do what I am doing! Always have to be playing with my hair. I guess that's one of the reasons for my starting this thread: I'm playing with some "traditional" hair care products with silicone and sulphates.

And, thank you!

That being said, I am always looking for more info beyond just one or two sources. While doing a search, I found this very interesting site: thebeautybrains.com. I'm sure that there are two sides to everything, but it's an interesting explanation. Just food for thought.

Here's the link to the page I pulled:

http://thebeautybrains.com/2007/02/1...uffocate-hair/
Originally Posted by botticellicurlygirl
thanks for this link & the one below. Both are very interesting.

Frizz Happens!


my Fotki hair journey/experiment diary PW is brio (and I really need to update it!)

3A hair; coloring with henna/indigo since July 2009; normally follow the CG method. Still searching for my HG products!

[quote="brownilocks"][quote="Brio"]
I received a Quidad newsletter yesterday.

"Although many people use heavy, silcone-based products to control their curls, Quidad pleads 'let your curls breath'! These thick stylers leave the hair limp and clog the cuticle, preventing vital nutrients and hydration from feeding the hair shaft." (Quidad CurlTalk, Spring 2007)
Originally Posted by Brio
Guess what Ouidad, hair doesn't breathe! It's bad enough to "feed" hair and think it "eats". Now we think it "breathes". So much of the hair talk given by hair experts is pseudo-science. Being a great stylist doesn't make you a scientist, so I'd appreciate if these so called experts would just stick with the styling advice and stay out of territory that they know nothing about. It is insulting to those of us women that know the difference between science and nonsense, and misleading to those of us women that don't know that difference.
Originally Posted by pinksugar
Difficult to know who to believe with all the hype that is around the entire beauty industry, isn't it?

Frizz Happens!


my Fotki hair journey/experiment diary PW is brio (and I really need to update it!)

3A hair; coloring with henna/indigo since July 2009; normally follow the CG method. Still searching for my HG products!

"Although many people use heavy, silcone-based products to control their curls, Ouidad pleads 'let your curls breath'! These thick stylers leave the hair limp and clog the cuticle, preventing vital nutrients and hydration from feeding the hair shaft." (Ouidad CurlTalk, Spring 2007)
Originally Posted by Brio
This is written by the same person whose top selling product (Climate Control Gel) contains dimethicone, and Clear Control Pomade contains mineral oil, second on the ingredients list behind water. (Even more contradictory, the instructions for the pomade start with the phrase "Clear Control is a unique water-soluble pomade with added conditioners....")

Am I missing something here? No guano intended, I'm just wondering if she's talking out of both sides of her mouth on this issue...
Originally Posted by curlyniner
definitely confusing.

I've never tried any of her products. I do know she recommends shampooing about 1xweek, which would get out the mineral oil, etc. Still, though, I don't think mineral oil is water soluable.

Frizz Happens!


my Fotki hair journey/experiment diary PW is brio (and I really need to update it!)

3A hair; coloring with henna/indigo since July 2009; normally follow the CG method. Still searching for my HG products!

Trending Topics


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:28 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2011 NaturallyCurly.com