Problems flipping over

My hair works better when I do everything upside down, but when I flip over the underneath at the back and sides get tangled somehow and I have to rake that bit from underneath again, disturbing the curls.

I meticulously detangle while I'm conditioning.

How do I get round this, do I have to lasso my head or something???
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I get that sometimes too. If I get that part pretty dry before I flip up sometimes it won't do that but barring that.....
I flip up and feel back there to see if I have a big upward weird loop and I take that one big loop and pull the curl apart into two and that lets it fall back down.
That help any or did I miss the point?
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No medusa you haven't missed the point,
It all seems to be part of my latest hair crisis.

The dryer it is the more it tangles and because I have to rake it through the wetter the better, so it can reclump.

Urrrgh it's so annoying
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I can't let my hair dry too much before I flip back up, or it gets tangled really bad. When I flip back right side up, i usually have some hair that's stuck up to my head and the hair above. If I rake it, it totally unclumps. What I do now, is tilt my head to the side, and shake my head like I'm saying "no." Then I do it on the other side, and then tilting it back some. I probably look like a confused head-banger, but it gets most of the strands to separate and hang down. Then I scrunch with my MF towel to scrunch the curl back in anywhere it got elongated from all the shaking.
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I get the same thing. What I do is, after applying conditioner and detangling right side up, I flip my hair over at the end of my shower and add more conditioner to the underneath and detangle it again (I wetbrush, but comb or fingers should work fine). From there, I rinse and apply products upside down then go straight to plopping.
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Thanks girls.

Bailey I did try the shaking thing, but obviously not vigourously enough. I'll give it a go. Do you apply all products before flipping? And do you comp them thorough or scrunch?
Roll on the confused head-bangers :P


Pixie that's exactly what I've been doing. Congrats on the boy by the way, your early to have found out the sex He must be quite well endowed I'm 7 months gone and getting very impatient as usual

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I get the same thing. What I do is, after applying conditioner and detangling right side up, I flip my hair over at the end of my shower and add more conditioner to the underneath and detangle it again (I wetbrush, but comb or fingers should work fine). From there, I rinse and apply products upside down then go straight to plopping.
Originally Posted by PixieCurl
I dont know how you guys do the upside thing in the shower - I just cannot! But I have these great mental images of all these curlies walking all hunched over first thing in the morning.

I do the B&A upside brush out and I diffuse upside down but have never gotten into the hang of shower upside down-getting out and being able to get my hair in a towel while dripping wet. Today though I did immediately start to diffuse after plopping and that seemed to help with my curls today. I had been plopping, then clipping right side up and then airdrying for a bit then diffusing - I think the right side up airdrying was pulling my curl out a bit. We will see.
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Thanks girls.

Bailey I did try the shaking thing, but obviously not vigourously enough. I'll give it a go. Do you apply all products before flipping? And do you comp them thorough or scrunch?
Roll on the confused head-bangers :P
Originally Posted by pitgirl
I apply product upside down to wet hair, I smooth & rake, but I don't comb it. Then I plop. When I unplop, I do the head-shaking thing.
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Pixie that's exactly what I've been doing. Congrats on the boy by the way, your early to have found out the sex He must be quite well endowed I'm 7 months gone and getting very impatient as usual
Originally Posted by pitgirl
I just realized my ticker was wrong! I must have entered the wrong EDD by accident - I'm 18 weeks now not 14! 18 is a little early to find out but 14 would be REALLY early LOL
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I struggle with this.. i get lovely clumpy curls around my face when i rinse upside down but the rest of my hair goes stringy

The only way i can normally get this to work is by flipping my hair back and forth whilst soaking wet (imagine the most over zealous headbanger you can!), if it starts to dry i've had it... the only problem is i then have to try and explain to my husband why the ceiling in the bathroom is wet
You see the shaking vigourously is going to be all well and good, if it works. But cleaning the product off the walls afterwards is going to get quite tiresome.

Why is it just when you've got somthing to work it all goes wrong. I used to get greats curls when I used to use mouse and comb it through right side up, then when I found NC.com and learnt about upside-down and plopping it worked great. All of a sudden my hair has stopped behaving and this tangling thing is only the very tip of the iceberg.

Think I'm going to have to put it down to the pregnancy. I shall keep trying diferent methods and just hope it works.
I have been raking/combing from the back to front, if that makes sense, maybe raking inwards from the sides would work.

Or can hair become too long for plopping/ upsidedown to work?
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Hey..

I had a go at something yesturday wich turned out pretty well which may be worth a go.

I condished as usual and rinsed it all out standing right side up, then i applied a little more conditioner and detangled upside down, i then rinsed upside down but literally for seconds (i can easily get carried away with rinsing so i had to force myself to briefly run the shower head over my hair). I then very gently shook my head as if saying "no" to break the curls up, scrunched in some RR, scunched with a t-shirt for a little bit and then gently brought my head around so it was the right way up and scrunched a little right way up. This has worked well, I had one curl that miss behaved and got a bit stringy but my hair didn't really have time to fully plaster itself to the back of my head! all in all it looked good!
Hey grecian thanks,

I just done my hair after a long weekend of motor racing, sand and fumes, yuk, the bubbles felt so good, but I will try your method next time.

Here's what I've found works for me at the moment.

Poo and rinse upsidedown
Brush through with a little condish.
Rinse again, massage condish into roots and ends, brush, quickly rinse for like 2 secs just to distribute condish.
Rake and scrunch out excess water.
Flip up and rake out the rest of the tangles.
Scrunch from side to side with towel.
Separate my hair in pigtails kinda.
Smooth and scrunch creme, tie my bandana.
When my ends are dry I remove my bandana, I find it's still pretty damp under there which really helps control frizz for me, I think it's because it's drying slowly.
Then I flip over and shake.
Done

I think the problem with my hair at the moment is that it's too long I have some quite short layers, so when I go to hairdressers I'm going shorter I think. Can your curls be too long mmm
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I apply product upside down to wet hair, I smooth & rake, but I don't comb it. Then I plop. When I unplop, I do the head-shaking thing.
Originally Posted by Bailey422
This is what I do as well but I only scrunch product in, I don't rake. And when I do the shaking thing, I also stick my fingers in at the roots and wiggle that a bit to get those pesky parts to settle down a bit. Sometimes I do get those errant ones I have to pull apart into two curls like someone mentioned above.
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After reading this I feel like I@m destroying my curls as I brush conditioner through AND brush with a cream styler in before I apply gel, then finger rake gel.

I feel like after I rinse out conditioner and then scrunch out excess water my hair gets really frizzy looking again and brushing it once more, whilst seperating the curls, gets the frizz back into the curl. I'm worried if I didnt brush the random hairs I see when wet would be worse when dry.

Can someone convince me i should only brush with conditioner in and then maybe I'll get more 3b curls that I can get when I'm on the beach or not overconditioned

As my hair ringlets it does go into tugs when wet (all the hair twisted around each other forms big tugs) so I DO need to brush, not just use a wide-tooth comb...)

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Hey jenny..

I say do whatever works for you.. I would LOVE to be able to brush / rake my curls after i've rinsed but my curl pattern is way to weak and i'd end up with zero clumps and just a mass of frizz!
I can brush through after every step, i find it distributes better. But I worked out that that did break up my clumps slightly and cause more frizz. Although a little frizz is almost always unavoidable on a naturally curly.

I find if I detangle really well with conditioner, I can get away with raking and smoothing and scrunching.
I find the trick to it is, after the final rinse scrunch out enough water so it's not dripping but leave in enough and the products distribute themselves without the need for brushing, hence better clumpage.
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pitgirl - you may be onto something, it could very well be due to the pregnancy. I'm over 5 months along, and notice that my hair tangles easier, too. Maybe because we're not shedding as much, so thicker hair = more tangled hair? I know my hair has become a TON more frizzy, too, so I'm sure (for me) that's not helping the tangles, either.

Good luck to you!
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