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Old 04-26-2007, 03:52 AM   #1
 
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Default I bought a serum. Silicone-heaven/hell

So I caved. I've been seeing more and more gorgeous heads of curls around me in Glasgow, perfectly defined and frizz-free. I'm assuming most of these girls are 'born-again' curlies just beginning to look after their curls, don't know about CG, and have been using standard products. Nearly every brand in Boots now produces its own serum. So I thought, 'why not?'

I read the ingredients of all to make sure I wasn't getting one with proteins, as some of them had quite a few. I chose the Charles Worthington No Frizz Serum, which is:
Cyclopentasiloxane
Dimethicone
Phenyl Trimethicone
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Now I know those are all the worst cones and the words themselves scare me as I'm so used to picking up products and putting them straight back down if they have the C or T cone.

BUT here's my logic. I sulfate most washes. Cowashing didnt work for me, mild cleansers just don't perk up my curls, I need to use sulfates. So if I@m using sulfates, why not use cones? Or at least experiment.

In my head, this is how I see cones:

Pros:
- Tames frizz
- Defines
- Adds lots of shine
- Adds definition
- Super sleek and sexy

Cons:
- Can build up if not removed with sulfates
- Can block hair from getting real moisture

BUT that's my problem. My hair gets the moisture from the hair in this humidity and POOF i've got a poodle head. HOnestly, yesterday in town my hair was twice the size of everyone elses, some girls had gorgeous curls that didn't have a hint of frizz. I'm guessing unless they are miracle workers, silicones had something to do with it.

So remind me - what is bad about silicones, IF I'm already using sulfates? Is there anything wrong with them apart from they build up on CG?

I am going to try this serum anyway, and if worst comes to worst, I'll shampoo it out and consign it to my box of 'no-go'ers'.

I just want gorgeous, shiney, FRIZZ FREE hair for summer! Frizz is my number one problem in summer, seriously. I think I get worse frizz than a lot of people... I have a few photos I'm too embarassed to post...
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Old 04-26-2007, 04:34 AM   #2
 
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I've been eyeing up this serum. I'm thinking of getting the small bottle to try it out then if I don't like it I've only lost 1.50. Let me know what you think, I believe we have hair that reacts the same way.
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Old 04-26-2007, 04:43 AM   #3
 
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Theyv'e also brough out a curl cream, did you see it? It has silicones and if I do decide I like silicones it might be tempting - but it has rice protein in it (never seen that one used before!) and I know that proteins will dry me out. Almost everyone's brought out a serum now! It took me forever to work my way round Boots! Oh and at the moment they have 1/2 price sunglasses vouchers if you spend over 10, so if you do buy some stuff I'd recommend it. Got myself some cool new shades for summer Hopefully to match my frizz-free glossy curls!

I also got the Frizz-Ease mousse. It's entirely CG I think. No proteins or silicones. I originally planned on just getting that. But it recommended to use it with their serum. But their serum had proteins, and that's how I ended up with the CW serum I will defiantely let you know
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Old 04-26-2007, 05:53 AM   #4
 
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I haven't seen the cream. I'll have to look out for that.

Have you tried the Fructis serums? I'm very tempted to give them a go.
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Old 04-26-2007, 06:07 AM   #5
 
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Any Fructis product I've tried has automatically given me poofy fluff-frizz. I think it's the amodimethicone they use in all their products. If the serum doesnt have amodimethicone I might try it... Will see how CW goes first
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I actually have seen this brand in one of my local drugstores, kept looking at the conditoner. Really, the drugstore has tons of brands and I am impressed with the selection for being in a small country town. Found Activate there also.

I am pretty new to the CG routine so I am still learning. I need a bit of cones cause I color treat but not using as much as I was pre finding NC. I think if you are able to recongnize what your hair needs to look and feel great I say try it!

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Old 04-26-2007, 06:25 AM   #7
 
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Jenny - I would go ahead and give the serum a try. Remember that silicones will build up over time. If you use it once a week, I'm sure you will be fine with your regular sulfate washes. Now if you use it every single day, then it will probably build up, and you will have to use a harsh clarifying shampoo. Just make sure (as with everything else), you use it in moderation. Let us know if it works out for you.
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Old 04-26-2007, 08:45 AM   #8
 
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I just bought the MOP sulfate-free shampoo too I guess it'll come in handy for when I don't want to use the silicones. I'm wondering whether my hair will like them at all. I hope not too much or I would be tempted to use them a lot, but I know i can only tolerate a mild sulfate shampoo.

And I have used CK and it left my hair quite dry/crispy. Like the 'fake' feeling you get from a strong hold gel. Kind of artificial. And it costs a bomb to get from the states, it's not available this side of the pond
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Jen, as you know I am a cone junkie and have been for most of my adult life.
I have never had an issue with buildup.
I use a serum probably twice a week, and have tried this one. At the moment I'm running down a bottle of Joico serum which is fantastic. I use serum on every other day throughout the week and it's lovely to be able to just run some stuff through your hair and get back the shine and definition.

All you will have to work out is the amount that works for you. I have discovered that applying more to the roots and midlengths and less to the ends the way forward. If you have applied too much and find your ends slightly stringy brave it out, I find by the end of the day my curls have thickened up again.
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Old 04-26-2007, 09:16 AM   #10
 
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Do you find it does help with frizz? And do you apply it to wet hair, as your first product? Frizz Ease mousse recommends to apply serum first, comb through hair, then apply gel on top.

I also had a look at tigi curls rock in a salon today. It looks so tempting if my hair does like cones...

I think if I do use cones it'll just be summer, as i can get on fine without them in winter, but i always have cr*p summer hair...
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Old 04-26-2007, 09:33 AM   #11
 
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I use silicones because I use sulfate poos. I rarely have a problem with buildup, but when I do, I just lay off the silicones for a week or three. Usually, I only know I have buildup because my hair starts looking dull and dryish, but still shiny. Then, I know the silicone is coating my hair, not letting the moisture through.
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Old 04-26-2007, 09:37 AM   #12
 
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Great, this info is really helpful girls, thanks

So - I though that one sulfate wash would remove the silicones I'd been using. Am I wrong? can silicones still hang around after a sulfate shampoo? I hate to lather twice, and like I said, need sulfates but mild shampoos usually only containing one sulfate, and not the Amonium sulfate (harsher in my experience.)

I wont be loading on the product, as I dont use much product anyway. But even if I sulfate shampoo at every wash could I still be suspect to buildup?
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Well, all I can say is that it happens to me on occasion, but I'm talking very rarely here, maybe once or twice a year. Usually, it's because I've been adding a bit more serum each day and haven't washed in 3 or 4 days (other than conditioning). If I've been doing that for a couple of weeks, I'll get some buildup. And I've only noticed it with the cyclo-xane evil cone. The dimethicone and amodimethicone don't do it to me with my occasional washes.
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The only 'cones I haven't been able to get out in one wash is the eeeevil-xanes.
My mom recently picked up the Giovanni Frizz Be Gone (or something like that) serum. It's fabulous. I only use it to protect/shine when I straighten though because I have thin, fine hair and silicones just weigh down my curls and make 'em look more greasy than shiny. Luckily I've been able to get shiny curls without silicone but for someone with more hair, surlier hair and who is already a sulfate user (I'm not), sounds like it's definitely worth a go.
The Giovanni serum is cyclomethicone and dimethicone w/ some plant extracts. It may have spy protien in it though, I can't recall.
If I'm going to use a 'cone, dimethicone is my favorite and I avoid the -xanes like the plague because they make my hair nasty, plasticy, dry, greazy, and not even that shiny. Plus it won't curl woth a d@mn and it breaks me out. Ammodimethicone does nothing for me except build up and break me out. No rewards out of that one but not as bad as the -xane.
Also, I am able to get that serum out with non-sulfate 'poo.
I hope you have good luck with your new products!

Haha, I call the one I hate -xane because it's a pain to remember how to spell but it looks kinda like I dare not speak it's name. LOL
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I used to just sulfate poo twice to get even the evil xane out. Now I always used cheap ole suave shampoo. My hair though hasn't ever been dry unless say I colored it repeatedly. Just my natural hair with sulfates and cones did fine.

I was just looking for a good product with a cone or two in it to help out with second day hair. When I sulfated daily and used cones I could get three or four day hair. I miss that!
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Oh dang, the serum I got has the 'xane cone as the first ingredient! I'll take it back and try find a serum without the 'xane cone. Is it just harder to remove because it's smaller and binds more or something? ( I can rever be bothered remembering how to spell it either )

medusa - you say you miss the great third/fourth day hair you got from sulfates and silicones. I'm not trying to tempt you back to it, but if it was that good, what is better about NOT using them? I ask to see whether I'd be best off without them
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I was going to get the CW serum when I went to Boots today but they didn't have any so I looked at the Fructis one and decided againt it because the cyco-cone makes my hair psycho!
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I find serum helps combat frizz on 2nd 3rd and 4th days, not really major frizz, just the frizzy hairs that separate themselves from the rest of the clumps. I never apply wet, because curls rock has a lot of "food" in it such as oils etc, and I wouldn't want those to not be able to penetrate.

I do have a huge bottle of Paul Mitchell Super Skinny Serum which you apply after you've washed which works wonders, sitting in my cupboard doing nothing. If you want it I'll send it to you it was very expensive and if you get some use out of it?????

I'd definately give the Curls Rock a go Jen, if you don't like it I'll have it
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Old 04-27-2007, 06:05 AM   #19
 
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UPDATE:

I took the CW serum back to Boots and swapped it for a serum that doesnt contain cyclo-xane as I keep hearing that this cone is awful to remove, whilst cyclo-cone isnt as bad.

Almost EVERY serum had cyclo-xane but I found one that doesnt:

Citre Shine Color Miracle, Color Protecting Polishing serum


Citre Shine had two other serums, which did contain cylco-xane, but the ingredients to this one are:

Cyclomethicone, Dimethiconol, Propoxytetramethyl Piperdinyl Dimethicone, Citrius Grandis (White Grapefruit) Fruit extract, Citrus Medica Limonium (Lemon) Fruit Extract, Citrus Nobilis (Mandarin Orange) Fruit Extract, Panthenol, Ascorbis Acid, Tocopherol< Ethylhexyl, Methozycinnamate, Propylene Glycol, Fragrance

So fingers crossed, we'll see how it goes!
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I used to love the Citre Shine serums back in the day.
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