Laurabeth!

and any one else that wants to chime in . This is long, so get a drink, snack, whatever .

I don't know if you (Laurabeth) remember we were in agreement several months ago about our hair being porous as it takes a ton of conditioner for it to feel slippery. I hope so .

During the cooler months, my hair does great. Used GF CnS as my leave-in and would use alot (like 2-3 palmfuls or more) before my styler. My hair is fine/thin but using that much doesn't weigh my hair down.

Now that it's beginning to warm up, the ends and underside of my hair (mainly on my right side) looks dried, frayed (after it's dried) no matter how much condish I put on it before my styler. It's not so bad now that I'm beginning to be able to plop, but I'm torn because plopping makes my hair look so much shorter than it is.

When I'm co-washing, it's like my hair can never get wet enough. It stays soaking wet for like 30 seconds. Even after loading up on the CnS it's getting dry (not like DRY dry, but hopefully you know what I mean) and when I add my styler, my hair feels dry and a little straw-like. Then, whether I air dry, diffuse or both I end up with those undefined dry-looking ends.

I use a number of things - Too Shea, Aloeba, VO5 Strawberries-n-Cream, GF CnS as well as rotating stylers to use them up! I also use Suave Clarifying Shampoo or Jessicurl HCC once a week or so.

I don't know if this is simply a change in weather, if I need to begin using some protein-free conditioners or what. I pineapple and I have a satin pillowcase that I haven't used in awhile because it never seemed to make a difference one way or the other. I still end up those yucky-looking ends. Oh, and I just had my ends trimmed about 3 weeks ago, so I know a trim isn't in order.

I started just to PM but heck, I thought some other curlies (and newbies since we have so many new ones ) might be having a similar problem.

Any thoughts? Thanks
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LavenderCurls, yes, I do remember. And I even had a snack with me.

I think it's the GF leave-in, unfortunately. Either the amodimethicone or apricot kernel oil sounds like it's building up. I had the same problem recently with my hair "flash-drying" and not absorbing anything. GF stylers with their blasted fruit glycerides (different from the leave-ins) do this even worse with me. I've had to clarify to remove them before.

Even though you use Jessicurl HCC or Suave Clarifying poos, it sounds like they aren't doing it. I'd suggest something drastic but effective. Neutrogena Anti-Residue shampoo (in a cardboard box) is very good at removing buildup, though it is on the drying side so follow with a DT. I have found the Suave Professional Clarifying poo to be more effective than the regular Clarifying (which is marketed for oily hair/scalps).

I don't think it's protein because:

1. It's on the ends and underneath. The ends would be prone to dryness/damage signs first. Underneath could too, especially from hairbands.

2. The flash-drying and not staying wet sounds much more like buildup. Protein buildup usually feels haylike, as if scrunching your hair would cause it to bend stiffly and feel like hay between your fingers.

You might still be able to keep using the GF Leave-In with more frequent clarifying. For me, I liked it okay in cooler temps, but once we broke the 70s mark, I got a lot of frizz, my curls' built-in warning system.
OMG, I have this exact problem! I was just thinking of how to ask what it is, and then I found this thread! NC magic.

Hm, I thought I'd ruled out buildup with the suave clarifying 'poo but now I know differently! Is there any way I can make it work, like 'pooing twice, or should I just go get the super-strong neutrogena stuff? (which I hope won't kill my budget )

I haven't used the GF leave-in in a week or two but maybe that was it...I condition with TJ's nourish which I'm not really loving, but I have aussie 3mm and pre-xane suave healthy curls in the shower too in case the nourish may be causing problems. What do you think?
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Do you mean it takes you some time to wet it down & finally when you get it soaking you squeeze out the excess water, but then it's magically "dry"?

That's what has been happening to my hair off & on for a month or so with a couple different conditioners & I couldn't figure out what in the heck was wrong!
I'm eyeing this thread as well...my hair has been this type of dry for as long as I can remember. I'm the only person I know that can step out of the shower and immediately have to grap the water bottle to spray down my hair to make it wet again. I'm very jealous of the curlies who get the 'seaweed' feel from a conditioner.

I thought it was just my dry curly hair, but now I'm thinking maybe it was chronic build-up from the 8 or 9 silicone products I was using at the time. No telling how long it will take on CG to get that to fix itself...
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Huh, interesting stories guys! Personally, I found that I did not like GF Curl and Shine. Didn't like the rinse out at all, and the only time I had luck w/ the leave in was in the hot summer - and even then I have to mix it w/ water to thin it out, otherwise I get that thick gummy feeling.
I stopped using it after last summer, and haven't picked up a new bottle until very recently, but the couple of times I used it, I didn't like the results, so it's been in my cabinet for a while.

I'm using Too Shea! and V05 Balsam and Protein. Both make my hair very soft, but I felt that I was missing out on some clarifying too. Although, no shampoo seemed to be getting the job done. I did an ACV rinse, and like magic, my hair was incredibly silky. I'm doing them about once a week now. I do it as the last rinse step, which unfortunately makes me smell a little vinegary, but really works well.
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Laurabeth - thank you and I'll check to see which Suave Clarifying I have - it's in a big clear bottle but I don't know if it's the Professionals or not and if not, I'll look for the Neutrogena. It may be that the GF CnS may be a winter-only product for me. Thanks for your help .

Liz's loops - Yep, that's pretty much it. Laurabeth's term "flash drying" is a perfect description. Although I don't like the smell of Elucence, I may get that again because it did leave me with that seaweedy feeling. I might check out Activate or Nature's Gate, too.

Well, I'm glad I posted instead of PM'ing Laurabeth if it can help some other curlies .

On a side note - this morning before checking here to see if there'd been any feedback (and before work) I co-washed with the VO5 SnC, then added more with honey to condish (have to do this sparingly as the honey seems to lighten my highlights), used some of the GF CnS mixed with a tad of the matching leave-in cream, than slathered on some old Suave Professional Sculpting Foam mousse (PM knockoff) while my hair was still wet. Added more to those stubborn ends underneath after scrunching with a mf towel and blowing my bangs straight. It seems to have helped some.

Another side note -- I LOVE that gal's hair (the in the Curlisto add to the left over there in the "after" pic!
CG-modified since 4/05
2b/3a and 3b on occasion!
Products: The hair aisle in my own cabinets.
Best definition winner: KCCC
Best volume winner: LOOB
Liz's loops - Yep, that's pretty much it. Laurabeth's term "flash drying" is a perfect description. Although I don't like the smell of Elucence, I may get that again because it did leave me with that seaweedy feeling. I might check out Activate or Nature's Gate, too.
Originally Posted by LavenderCurls
I don't pay any attention to the scent of Elucence, even if it reminds me a little of Elmer's Glue!

I doubt I'll be able to figure out why my hair does that because I've been trying so many conditioners lately. Though maybe I will because some I'll probably buy again, after my "testing" is done. I wonder when that'll be!
I don't pay any attention to the scent of Elucence, even if it reminds me a little of Elmer's Glue!

I doubt I'll be able to figure out why my hair does that because I've been trying so many conditioners lately. Though maybe I will because some I'll probably buy again, after my "testing" is done. I wonder when that'll be!
Originally Posted by Liz's loops
Elucence reminds me of cigarettes which I can't stand !!

When the testing is done? Puleeze .. the testing is NEVER done, I tell you .. nevah!!!!!
CG-modified since 4/05
2b/3a and 3b on occasion!
Products: The hair aisle in my own cabinets.
Best definition winner: KCCC
Best volume winner: LOOB
Another side note -- I LOVE that gal's hair (the in the Curlisto add to the left over there in the "after" pic!
Originally Posted by LavenderCurls
Me too!
"What's the good of having naturally curly hair if nobody's jealous?" Freida - Peanuts

~CG 8/06 ~
fine, wavy - 2b/3a
KCNT and KKCC
When the testing is done? Puleeze .. the testing is NEVER done, I tell you .. nevah!!!!!
Originally Posted by LavenderCurls
That's why I gave a *WINK*.
I've found that my hair always gets this way at the change to a new season -- even before I found my beloved GF Leave-in. Non-sulfate-shampoo & rich cond w/ 50% left in is almost always the answer for me. It usually passes in a couple of weeks, when the humidity/barometric pressure/temp stabilizes. I've always regretted it when I've tried something drastic like a cut, or harsh clarifier -- for me that was the CG baking soda in cond thing.
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HG: GF Sleek 'n Shine Leave-in; Alagio

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