devachan vs ouidad hair cut

Is there a difference in how these two places cut hair? There is actually an ouidad one near me. I had horrible luck with their hair products so I am bit leary.
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I've never had a Deva cut so I can't comment on that, but my stylist did an Ouidad cut on me. I have fairly thick heavy hair and it really lightened it up and afterwards my hair curled up so much better.
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I've had both cuts, and I preferred the Deva cut. The Ouidad cut took out so much bulk that my hair looked really scraggly...am still growing it out over a year later. The stylist who did my Ouidad cut seemed to run the scissors down the length of my hair (almost like a razor) which was not good. Plus, it took him and his assistant at least 20 minutes to put gel in my hair, and they used like half a bottle. I left the salon with a wet, crunchy, stringy look that didn't scrunch out.

The Deva cut gave me much better shape, and much more definition in my curls. The only drawback I see is that the cut does not work on straightened hair. I haven't straightened mine in years, but did so the other day on a whim. The cut did not lend itself to a straight look (the ends looked uneven, and almost "ragged".) But, if you wear your hair curly most of the time, as I do, I think it's a better cut. My hair is 3a/3b and fine--I suspect the Ouidad cut may work for those who have hair that is coarser in texture.

Hope that helps.
It does help. I have fine on the thin side hair and would be concerned with the carving process. Msgiblet I think you have much more hair than me so I can understand why it worked for you.
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She definitely didn't run the scissors down my hair like a razor at any time. She just took sections of my hair and held them up and out and let the hair drape loosely until she saw how the "s" went and then lightly snipped into the curl. My hair is fine and not coarse at all and it just made my curl spring right up.
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Years ago I tried to get a Ouidad stylist to give me a cut that was not carve-and-slice. They refused! I am so glad that I did not waste my money on that, I cannot imagine growing out a carve-and-slice.
She definitely didn't run the scissors down my hair like a razor at any time.
It may have been a stylist issue, rather than a cut issue. I don't think the salon where I got the Ouidad cut is certified any longer (for carve and slice) so perhaps there was an issue there. But, I do think that the carve and slice is more reliant on heavy-handed product use than is the Deva Cut. I'm glad the Ouidad cut worked for you, msgiblet I wish it had worked for me.
I'm glad the Ouidad cut worked for you, msgiblet I wish it had worked for me.
Thanks. I may get to try a Deva cut pretty soon, though. My stylist just went to training sessions with Lorraine Massey in NY last month. I have a feeling her salon may have also lost their Ouidad certification since she told me that they wouldn't be getting in anymore Ouidad products & now they have the Deva products. I have an appt. with her tomorrow morning, so maybe I'll find out more.
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I just had a Ouidad cut in NC- I drove 5 hours and it was well worth it. The salon is in Pineville and they are certified. My hair lays much better and the stylist did the "S" cut just like they show on the Ouidad site. It was well worth the money. The deep treatment made my hair softer than it's ever been, and I left with the most beautiful curls. I would definitley recommend as long as the salon is certified, which you can check out on the Ouidad site.
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What kjean2 said. The Ouidad cut was almost painful with those sliding scissors. Another drawback to that kind of cut is that I had split ends all through out my hair because the way they carved and sliced gave me layers willy-nilly all over the place. And they do use a ton of product, which ain't cheap. I went there a few times and then just gave up and let my hair grow really long and wild. There was no way I was going back to a regular wash-hair-first-cut-it-like-a-straight-haired-person salon.

Then I read "Curly Girl". I immediately booked an appointment at Devachan. Much more relaxing experience. They pick individual curls out and snip each one, kind of like they're trimming a bonsai tree. And the products are cheaper and easier to apply.

Btw, I went to both Devachan and Ouidad in New York, so I pretty much got it from the horse's scissors (sorry -- bad pun!) I now go to a Devachan trained stylist in Brooklyn who does a really good job. Also, my hair looks great straightened. I don't usually straighten, so I never cared if it looked good or not, but this winter I tried it and it looked a lot better than I thought it would. Nice long layers, almost as if I had straight hair that had been cut wet. I have no idea how the stylist did it, but it worked!

Keep in mind this is just my experience. For some people Ouidad is great and for others Devachan is the best.
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Hi. I have seen Ouidad cuts and Deva cuts. Deva cuts are healthy, full and springy while Ouidad cuts seem tamer and "lie there" needing tons of products (which make them look lank).
I am biased but it is based on what I have seen. I have a Deva cut, use low-poo, oneC, believeIn, Angell, Mirror, Set it Free, and Set up and above ONLY NOT ALL AT ONCE! I pick and choose what my curls need on a given day. Sometimes just a lavendar water misting, sometimes 2 or 3 products. I have short, highlighted/lowlighted 3a-b curls and I get compliments almost every single day! Oh and get the Curly Girl book/DVD. I know, I spend a lot of money on my curls, but they are my one beauty indulgence and you wear your hair everyday. And I buy them at a beauty supply store that is certified by Devaconcepts to sell Deva. Some outlets may be counterfeit-truly.
It's great to have styling options, which you will not have if you get a carve and slice haircut, IMO.
Let me know how it goes for all you curlygirls deciding between Deva and The Other Place!!!!
I've had both and I prefer Devachan. Ouidad cuts look good the FIRST time - but they thin your hair and the cuts don't look as good after you have a few Ouidad cuts. Basically the carve and slice method cuts down the length of the hair (they snip going down) so you end up with progressively less volume of hair the more cuts you get. Does that make sense? Also, I found that my Ouidad cuts only look good with a ton of gel.

At Ouidad's salon (I used to get the cuts done in her NYC salon), they seriously use 1/2 a bottle of gel on my hair just to style it. With my 2 Deva cuts (I've had my hair done by a Deva trained stylist, not at Devachan), on the other hand, they use a normal amount of product. If you are CG, by the way, Ouidad products are generally not CG friendly, but obviously Deva products are.

I find though that with Ouidad, I loved how my hair looked at the salon immediately after the cuts, but they never looked as good when I did my hair myself because I couldn't be as heavy handed with the gel. With my Deva cuts I didn't really like how my hair was styled at the salon, basically because I hate the way scrunching makes my hair look. Ouidad's gel application method is better for my hair. However, my hair looks really good when I style it now. I am CG and that has done more for the overall health of my hair than anything!
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Curlymomof3 and Spacegirl.....do you remember who did your Ouidad cut in NYC? Just curious as I'm going there in a few weeks to try it out. My appt is with Vincent and my daughter is seeing Sondriel.

xcptnl...there is a similar thread under the Stylist forum. I posted a link from one of the stylists who used to post on nc.com who has been to both the Deva and the Ouidad training. She gives a good rundown on both.

It seems so individual. I've had a devacut and it was okay. So I figured I'd try the Ouidad cut in a few weeks and see if I like it better.


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I loved my oudad cut the first time I got it. The second time left me with some very thin ends that I eventually cut of . These were almost a years worth of precious growth. By the third year I decided my hair was too thin for Ouidad cuts. I think if you have shorter hair and want it to stay shorter, then get one once a year or so and cut off all the old growth, then it might work. If you have longer hair each time you redo it your hair will get thinner and thinner. I cant imagine what it would look like if you did it every 8 weeks as she sugests on her website. It is true that my perimenapusal hair is becoming thinner anyway. Even so, my very long haired son (it falls six inches above his waist curly) who has incredably thick 2C hair looked weird after his third carve and slice with more thickness near his head and very thin ends. He doesn't want another one. If he hasn't outgrown long hair by then next time I will pay for him to try a Devacut

I love Ouidad products and I soften my curly /kinky hair from 3C down to 3 A once a year before summer.
But from now on I will wear my hair a simple one length. I am debating a Deva cut because my stylist knows how to do both but I am concerned it will not look good if I do blow it out straight which I do about twice a month for a change.I think my hair might be too thin for layers too.Curly hair is always a challenge! Expensive too! Still things are better for us today then back in the day when we had to kill it with irons and harsh relaxers to keep it stick straight and breaking.

If I get the Deva cut next month I will let you know how it goes.
The best carve and slice I got was the first one. By the third one I said no more as my hair was so thin on the bottom. My son was at that age that boys want long hair. Like most men its so unfair that if they want to go long they do it better than us. His curls fell to his waist in perfectly even Botticelli ringlets and was so thick. People would stop him on the street to touch his hair (even biker guys) because it was so beautiful. I had him get a carve and slice one humid summer and it looked great. Two more later and it had ruined his lustrous thick curls . We cut of all the thin stuff. A month later he got a buzz cut and a job. Sadly boys have to grow up and Moms get old. For the last few years I have just cut mine even and blow dried it straight in the dry cold winter. In summer I still used Ouidad gels and softening system. Now I am going to try a Deva cut and stop softening as I am bored. I will try some of their products too and see how it goes. My salon is certified in both Oiudad and Deva and I like my stylist. I suspect the answer for me may be some kind of blending of the two . Being old now and always curly I can tell you it has been a real strange trip. As a teen I would get up at 5 to iron my hair on the board before school. I used baby shampoo and Tame(a crème rinse that existed before conditioners) and learned to comb it with the Tame still in it Then I discovered Redken Amino Pon and Climatress so my hair was fed. I also learned to blow dry my hair straight with a comb attachment in front of the air conditioner(even in winter) so I wouldn't get heat damage. At night I encased my hair in a straight tube of covered elastics while I slept. This worked great unless it rained or was humid. Then came years of chemical relaxers and hot irons. I have used every relaxer and tool there is. My hair was like a weed and you couldn't kill it. Then I turned 48 and it got kind of tender and breaky. I now go curly and that entails different systems and products. Why cant it be simple?

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