I got a 'deva' cut in Minneapolis!!

Weren't you pleasantly surprised when you found out it was $40? That is what I pay for a "regular" haircut. So, I am curious, what products did she use on you?
Originally Posted by orangeserendipity32
I was tickled pink about the price! I forgot to ask her how much for coloring (which she is also deva trained at) - crap! Next time.

All she used for products was some condish mixed with gel. She had asked me what products I used and I listed most of them

Too Shea
One C
Elucence
Activate
Kenra
ETC
Boots,
Tizz No Frizz
Curl Keeper
Biolage Gelee
BRHG
ETC
Fast Food
Recoil
Curl Junkie Banana Hibiscus Leave In
GF Curl & Shine
JC WDT
Low Poo
CoN
JC Aloeba
ETC
Oh Lord, the list just continues!

Anyway, at that point, she said what I was using was fantastic and too just work on my technique. She never even mentioned what kind of condish she was using, or the gel.
In fact, when she was cleansing my hair, I asked what she was using and she said it was just a thick conditioner - she never mentioned the name of that either.

She has the love of curly hair, not just out to make a buck!
Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
Location - WI
Did she say anything about getting over-conditioned?

I did the scrunching in OneC, seaweed thing tonight, and then mixed gel with CJ Hibiscus Banana and put that on. It looks good, we'll see about tomorrow. I ending up using more gel & CJ than I usually use, to get that seaweedy feeling.

It would be so great if hair stylists made house calls!
formerly Castella
(my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
Did she say anything about getting over-conditioned?

I did the scrunching in OneC, seaweed thing tonight, and then mixed gel with CJ Hibiscus Banana and put that on. It looks good, we'll see about tomorrow. I ending up using more gel & CJ than I usually use, to get that seaweedy feeling.

It would be so great if hair stylists made house calls!
Originally Posted by Castella
Ya know, she didn't. Thats a good thought though, I do tend to get overconditioned. I've been planning to try mixing one of my cremes with a gel (like boots, curl keeper, etc) instead of condish, just to mix things up (and use my products!). I'm a true believer in rotation!! And like you did, a leave in would probably work great.
Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
Location - WI
OK! So I tried the 2Happy ( ) method last night. Condition until seaweedy. Scrunch out rinsing, no pulling the hair. Gel + leave-in, scrunched in until seaweedy (holy cow, that's a lot of product).

Fuzzy this morning, so smoothed with CurlKeeper and a little water.

Looking good! I just asked someone at work if the hair situation was better-worse-same as always and she said BETTER. With no leading questions from me, she said that my hair looks fuller (I said, "clumpy?" and she said "OK, if that's what you call it") and freer. She said it's hanging better and the curls look good. I told her that to me, my hair feels super producty. We agreed that she could touch my hair and she thought it felt completely normal, no product at all.

I described the routine to her and she thought it was A LOT of work! She thinks curly hair is wash & go. Anyway, she predicts that I'll make the trip to Minneapolis before the summer is over!

So it looks good today, but I bet if I did this 2 or 3 days in a row, it would get really frizzy. So I'm plotting a rotation...this alternating with JoiWhip. And always having the CurlKeeper on standbye, it really has been working well for me on dry hair with a little water. Who knew.
formerly Castella
(my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
I tried the 2happy styling method yesterday, and I have to say, I'm impressed. My hair has been really sucky lately, but I'm on 2nd day hair, here, and that is very rare for me. I used GF Sleek & Shine leave in and Angell, both of which worked really well for me last summer but have been meh so far this year.
I'm so excited!!
I have severe scrunching stupids apparently. I wreck it everytime and end up with skinny curls. I think I'm going to have to go back to her and have my daughter video tape just how the heck she scrunched my hair and kept big fat curls.

I'm getting no frizz, so my products are working (and I've switched them everyday) - just funky skinny curls from bad scrunching and diffusing. GRRRRRRR.

So glad others of you are having good luck!!
Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
Location - WI
I have severe scrunching stupids apparently. I wreck it everytime and end up with skinny curls. I think I'm going to have to go back to her and have my daughter video tape just how the heck she scrunched my hair and kept big fat curls.

I'm getting no frizz, so my products are working (and I've switched them everyday) - just funky skinny curls from bad scrunching and diffusing. GRRRRRRR.

So glad others of you are having good luck!!
Originally Posted by 2happy
Don't feel bad - I had 2 maybe 3 days of good hair using the CJ creme under some layers of gel - now it's gone. I am back to smaller clumps and some frizz.

Also this freaking New England weather is probably not helping. We go from 80s/90s with high humidity to the 50s with 0 in a matter of days.

Ok...I am done whining (for now). I will keep my fingers crossed for you and think big clump thoughts!
Central Massachusetts

One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
I've tried it twice now. I get good hair but it kind of collapses around 3 PM and becomes all frizzy.

Do you think the ratio of gel to conditioner matters? I'm guessing it's the conditioner that enhances clumping.

There was a thread from about a year ago, when there was a curl event in Austin with L Massey and the women who attended shared lots of tips similar to what is said here. The only thing that strikes me as different is mixing the conditioner with the gel, instead of applying them separately. And I don't know that there was any followup...if the women were able to successfully continue using that method.

Oh, I did discover last night that some gels and conditioners do not mix well together!
formerly Castella
(my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
I've tried it twice now. I get good hair but it kind of collapses around 3 PM and becomes all frizzy.

Do you think the ratio of gel to conditioner matters? I'm guessing it's the conditioner that enhances clumping.

Oh, I did discover last night that some gels and conditioners do not mix well together!
Originally Posted by Castella
Somethings you find out the hard way

I'm sure the ratio does matter, and the ratio probably changes with different products also. Some are heavier, some are waterier, etc. It makes me want to shave my head....I mean bang my head

I wonder if Set It Free, or Gelebration would give you a pick me up around 3:00? Might be worth a shot.

Hey, side note to Castella - are you out of weather danger today? Looks like I'm going to get hit. It can't be good when they started warning us of tornados on Tue. for today. Starting to look pretty ugly outside and the wind will knock you over. I believe it's still a few hours away though. So, if I'm not around later today - lets assume I only lost power !!!
Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
Location - WI
I bumped the thread, it's the "Spill the beans" one.

Weather, it's awfully windy. I grew up in tornado country, I take the warnings seriously. So far I haven't gotten that weird feeling you get when the weather is all ominous. We always called it the tornado weather feeling. Hoping for just some storms, no hail. I guess the soil is saturated pretty deeply, and there's talk about trees tipping and falling.
formerly Castella
(my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
You two be careful in the bad weather!!!
Central Massachusetts

One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
Just to followup...I've been trying this routine, scrunching in conditioner in the shower, scrunch-rinsing out....mixing conditioner with gel (in different proportions) & scrunching in wet hair....for a little over 2 weeks now.

I have not been able to duplicate the first day that I tried it, when my hair turned out great! Even using the exact same products, combinations, etc.

So if anyone else is frustrated, at least you know you are not alone.

With the increased heat and humidity, all that scrunching has made my hair very huge and frankly ornery.

On a FASCINATING sidenote, I am stalking a woman who is a Lorraine Massey look-alike!!!!! And her hair is gorgeous. I've seen her twice (but both times I was about half a block away. It's weird to run after someone to ask them about their hair, right?!). I'm working up to approaching her to discuss Product & Technique.
formerly Castella
(my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
Just to followup...I've been trying this routine, scrunching in conditioner in the shower, scrunch-rinsing out....mixing conditioner with gel (in different proportions) & scrunching in wet hair....for a little over 2 weeks now.

I have not been able to duplicate the first day that I tried it, when my hair turned out great! Even using the exact same products, combinations, etc.

So if anyone else is frustrated, at least you know you are not alone.

With the increased heat and humidity, all that scrunching has made my hair very huge and frankly ornery.

On a FASCINATING sidenote, I am stalking a woman who is a Lorraine Massey look-alike!!!!! And her hair is gorgeous. I've seen her twice (but both times I was about half a block away. It's weird to run after someone to ask them about their hair, right?!). I'm working up to approaching her to discuss Product & Technique.
Originally Posted by Castella
Yay, I'm not all alone! Why oh why can't I do this? Why oh why do I have skinny curls? Why could she do my hair, but I can't? It's so dang frustrating. I know another person on here got her hair cut by my same person, I'm waiting to hear how it went.

Go stalker girl!!! And you know what - she'd probably be flattered if you asked her what she uses and how she does it! What's the worst that could happen? Go for it.
Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
Location - WI
I went to Carolyn on Friday. It was amazing. Pics are on my www, password is my screen name.

My experience was very similar to 2Happy's except I got color too, pintura highlights. The cut and color were $125.

First of all, I walked in there with the most straggly, ratty, dry hair you can imagine. I just came off of a crazy work schedule of 75 hours a week for about a month and couldn't do anything with my hair, no time, so I had been wearing it up for a couple weeks. Before that, I had been getting really frustrated, as my hair would only look good when it was 50-90% dry and then get all dry and fly-away.

The reason for the hair woes: last spring I used GF Curl + Shine for a month or two and the amodimethicone [sp?] had built up and would *not* come out. At least that's what I think was going on, it's so hard to tell. So I had recently resorted to using Suave shampoo to remove it. And I haven't used a sulfate shampoo in years. I wound up using it three times over the course of a couple months, because it would look better for a week or so after the Suave, but when I went back to my old routine, it would get worse again. As a result of all that harsh cleansing, my hair was dry and my scalp was itchy. I had gotten myself into a vicious cycle and I needed help!

When she examined my hair before the cut, she noted the dryness. She said it would be okay to color, but my hair did need some TLC in the form of more moisture. I listened really carefully to all her tips and advice as she worked with my hair the scrunching, very little raking, seaweedy feel, squishy noise, etc. She said to be patient, it takes time to learn the techniques, but it will pay off.

She seemed to use a lot of Devacurl products, but since she wasn't trying to push them on me, I'm not sure *everything* was Devacurl. I know that because of the dryness she used No-Poo and she later recommended I get some. But it was as low key as you can get sales-wise and I had already said I needed something different to cleanse with anyway. I told her the other products I was using and she said they were all good and didn't say I should get anything else. [I'm using Re:Coil, Elucence MBC, CCSS and Awe Inspiraling.]

After I described what I was looking for in color, she recommended the pintura technique for me. I was so excited and I absolutely love it. It's subtle, but gives me a lift in color which is perfect. I wasn't looking for anything drastic that would show a line in a month or two and need constant upkeep.

Did I mention my hair was about 18 different colors when I walked in? I had henna on the ends, and some really bad highlights I had done myself last summer. And my lovely dishwater blond roots. She managed to make the color look amazing despite all that craziness.

She definitely has dedication and passion for curly hair. She was also very personable, sweet but professional.

When I left the salon with my head held high, it was just amazing. I got some lunch and it was great being able to do that and not have to run home and re-do my hair right away.

Second day hair was pretty good. I didn't put it up a pineapple, because I seem to have lost my satin scrunchie. I know from previous experience that that would have made a big difference. I did use a satin pillowcase, though. This dryness issue is going to take some time to resolve, so my hair was a touch on the dry side today, but it still looked waaaaay better than before. My mom said it looked really good, and believe me she doesn't hand out compliments unless she really means it!

I just did a deep treatment tonight and used all her tips and advice for washing, conditioning and styling. It's still pretty wet, so we'll see what happens.
Yeah!!! I'm so happy for you. Another CG from this board went to her and didn't have a great experience like us. Not that it was bad, it just wasn't great.
My hair is much better than before I went to her, but I still havent been able to make it look like she did. But, I'm persistant dang it and I actually wore my hair down several days last week! I'm successful with frizz free, it's the fat curls that I'm working on.
I can't wait for my next appt. with her!
Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
Location - WI
That's too bad that other curly didn't have as good results.

My hair is dry now, looks good! It's not as nice as when she did it, but I had to go to bed with it 50% or more wet, so that's no great mystery. Even for having slept on it, it's very clumpy and curly. I'll spritz it with some Awe Inspiraling and that should liven up the curl and fix the smooshed areas.

I imagine if next time I can manage not to lay on top of it while it's drying, it should look really great! The deep treatment made a huge difference, but the techniques and No-Poo are probably half of it.

I'm starting to realize that curly hair is like a wool sweater. Anyone who's ever successfully washed a wool sweater knows the deal. If you agitate it at all, you get felting and shrinking. So all you can do is lay it in water, let it soak and then take it out, very gently, and carefully squeeze the water out. No wringing. When I was washing and deep conditioning my hair last night following Carolyn's directions, it reminded me of when I washed a wool sweater of mine last spring.
Yup! That was one of my biggest mistakes that Carolyn corrected me on. I was scrubbing my scalp (with just water or CO) like a washing machine aggitater! I thought I had to be aggressive to get it clean. Since then, I've been slow, yet firm and my hair is much better.
Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
Location - WI
WOW, it looks fabulous...tons of definition!! BEAUTIFUL
pw: curls
3b/a
Cowash - No Poo, Suave Coconut
Conditioner - One Condition
Leave In - KCKT
Gel - KCCC at the moment
Thanks Hockeymom!

A week later and I'm still lovin' it. I was struggling with my hair so much and it's a gazillion times better now. Still a touch dry, just a teensy bit, so I'll be continuing with the deep treatments. But it *looks* soooo much better.
Hi ladies,

How exciting that there is a good stylist in the cities! Can you tell me what the salon is like? Is it busy there? Were there lots of stylists working at the time you were there? I want to find a place that is quiet. I definitely need some expert help with my hair! Thanks!

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