Why would I need hold?

So...I'm getting back into products and experimenting with different things. One issue I'm unsure of, however, is why might a curly need hold in their styler???

Also - what the heck is good about gel? I sure haven't figured it out yet.
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Also - what the heck is good about gel? I sure haven't figured it out yet.
Originally Posted by firelily
Hold. If you don't need hold, you probably don't need gel.
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One issue I'm unsure of, however, is why might a curly need hold in their styler???
Originally Posted by firelily
I'm not really sure what you're asking... I need hold to hold the curl. Otherwise, my hair would get frizzy and the curl would fall out. Does that answer the question?
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If I don't use a product with hold my curls lose definition and are frizzy.
I have fine, slippery hair and my curls/waves will fall out by the end of the day without some hold.
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One issue I'm unsure of, however, is why might a curly need hold in their styler???
Originally Posted by firelily
I'm not really sure what you're asking... I need hold to hold the curl. Otherwise, my hair would get frizzy and the curl would fall out. Does that answer the question?
Originally Posted by Bailey422
Oh...my curl doesn't fall out. It gets smooshed out if I lay on it while I'm sleeping all night, but that's something different. It does get frizzy, but gel doesn't seem to stop that unless I use so much that my hair is really stiff.

I kept on hearing that curlies need gel, so I tried a few, and I haven't been impressed.
Lots and lots of fine 3b-ish hair.
DevaCurl currently, but exploring new products.
Love the hair!
One issue I'm unsure of, however, is why might a curly need hold in their styler???
Originally Posted by firelily
I'm not really sure what you're asking... I need hold to hold the curl. Otherwise, my hair would get frizzy and the curl would fall out. Does that answer the question?
Originally Posted by Bailey422
Oh...my curl doesn't fall out. It gets smooshed out if I lay on it while I'm sleeping all night, but that's something different. It does get frizzy, but gel doesn't seem to stop that unless I use so much that my hair is really stiff.

I kept on hearing that curlies need gel, so I tried a few, and I haven't been impressed.
Originally Posted by firelily
If you use enough to make it stiff and let it dry *completely*, you can scrunch out the crunch and still maintain hold, definition and frizz control but eliminate the wet crunchy look.
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If you use enough to make it stiff and let it dry *completely*, you can scrunch out the crunch and still maintain hold, definition and frizz control but eliminate the wet crunchy look.
Originally Posted by meriellyn
I don't mean just a little crunchy, I mean really crunchy, to the point where I can't crunch it all out, and it only stops looking stiff the second day (although that second day hair is great). I'll experiment a little more, but since I don't need the hold apparently, and only need a little help with definition and frizz, I think there's probably other stylers out there that would be better for me.

Thanks for explaining it!
Lots and lots of fine 3b-ish hair.
DevaCurl currently, but exploring new products.
Love the hair!
My curl doesn't fall out at the end of the day, so for that I don't really need the hold. However, I find that I need something to keep the frizzies at bay, which is where the hold factors in. I thought that I needed a higher hold gel for the summer humidity, but in fact I just needed a better gel that was more moisturizing without proteins.
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If you use enough to make it stiff and let it dry *completely*, you can scrunch out the crunch and still maintain hold, definition and frizz control but eliminate the wet crunchy look.
Originally Posted by meriellyn
I don't mean just a little crunchy, I mean really crunchy, to the point where I can't crunch it all out, and it only stops looking stiff the second day (although that second day hair is great). I'll experiment a little more, but since I don't need the hold apparently, and only need a little help with definition and frizz, I think there's probably other stylers out there that would be better for me.

Thanks for explaining it!
Originally Posted by firelily
You may want to look into cream stylers, or light-hold gels. The Mop Top gel, for example, gave me lots of shine and curl, but my curl would fall out an hour later b/c the hold is so light. Something like that might work for you.
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If you use enough to make it stiff and let it dry *completely*, you can scrunch out the crunch and still maintain hold, definition and frizz control but eliminate the wet crunchy look.
Originally Posted by meriellyn
I don't mean just a little crunchy, I mean really crunchy, to the point where I can't crunch it all out, and it only stops looking stiff the second day (although that second day hair is great). I'll experiment a little more, but since I don't need the hold apparently, and only need a little help with definition and frizz, I think there's probably other stylers out there that would be better for me.

Thanks for explaining it!
Originally Posted by firelily
You may want to look into cream stylers, or light-hold gels. The Mop Top gel, for example, gave me lots of shine and curl, but my curl would fall out an hour later b/c the hold is so light. Something like that might work for you.
Originally Posted by Bailey422
A cream under a gel could work too. It could lessen the crunch while maintaining the definition.
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Hi
I find that I dont need any hold in my hair at all because my curls are dense and really full. I prefer soft hair, so I generally use cream stylers and oil instead of gel. But some do get really soft hair with certain gels I heard, but not everyone needs them.
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My curls would never fall out, not in the middle of a hurricane. I've never considered people whose curls would fall out by the end of the day to be "curly."

I've always classified "curlies" as people fighting the battle to keep them under control.
I've always classified "curlies" as people fighting the battle to keep them under control.
Originally Posted by beckysma
Depends on what you mean by keeping them under control. I mean, my curls don't "fall out", per se, but without enough hold my hair does look less curly as the day progresses. I lose a lot of definition and turn into a frizzy mess- especially in this humidity.

So... for me, I need hold to define and keep the frizzies at bay, as well as give me volume at the root. Also, when I use stronger gels I can get a tighter curl.

Edited to fix grammar!
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My curls would never fall out, not in the middle of a hurricane. I've never considered people whose curls would fall out by the end of the day to be "curly."

I've always classified "curlies" as people fighting the battle to keep them under control.
Originally Posted by beckysma
Well I'm a wavy/curly but still... by "the curl falls out" I don't mean I end up with straight hair at the end of the day, or even just loose wavy hair. I end up with a flat top, droopy undefined curls and frizz or some stringy curls, with a lot of fluff and frizz.
Maybe I should say "the curls fall flat, go limp, and fluff out."
I still fight a "battle to keep them under control," it's just a slightly different monster. I know solid 3A's with the same issues as me... does that somehow make them "not curly"?
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Hey firelily

You may just be blessed with naturally spirally hair! In which case, don't worry about using a gel. I've experimented with gels only because i feel i "need" to because every other curly seems to use one! (i've just ordered some Confident Coils because I can't help but think "i'll give it one more go, i might be missing out" it'll probably be on the swap board in a week ). My experience is usually the opposite of what most people report, I get droopy curls when i DO use gel because my hair is so easily weighed down, gels seems to stop it springing up! I find leave-ins or coconut oil help my hair hold a curl better as the better moisturised my hair is the more it springs up. I do have quite fine hair though so i can see that if i had a thicker hair i'd need hold.

Best of Luck!
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Hey firelily

You may just be blessed with naturally spirally hair! In which case, don't worry about using a gel. I've experimented with gels only because i feel i "need" to because every other curly seems to use one! (i've just ordered some Confident Coils because I can't help but think "i'll give it one more go, i might be missing out" it'll probably be on the swap board in a week ). My experience is usually the opposite of what most people report, I get droopy curls when i DO use gel because my hair is so easily weighed down, gels seems to stop it springing up! I find leave-ins or coconut oil help my hair hold a curl better as the better moisturised my hair is the more it springs up. I do have quite fine hair though so i can see that if i had a thicker hair i'd need hold.

Best of Luck!
Originally Posted by GrecianCurls
Yeah, my hair spirals, no matter what, and there's not really any difference between my hair in the beginning of the day and the end of the day. Aside from really humid days, it looks great no matter what (or at least I think so).

So...I guess I forget the gel or needing any hold, and go for the cream stylers, which seem to work better at definition and frizz control.
Lots and lots of fine 3b-ish hair.
DevaCurl currently, but exploring new products.
Love the hair!
Hold, how I love thee....

Without hold in the summer, individual corkscrew curls for me become individial corkscrew hairs. The pattern of the curl doesn't change so much, it's just that the curl will poof out into individual hairs or small goups of hairs instead of a curl.

Since I'd like to be able to fit through a door when I enter a room, gel is quite helpful.
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My curls would never fall out, not in the middle of a hurricane. I've never considered people whose curls would fall out by the end of the day to be "curly."

I've always classified "curlies" as people fighting the battle to keep them under control.
Originally Posted by beckysma
I think it's time to reconsider your outlook.
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Here's all you have to know about men and women: women are crazy, men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is that men are stupid. ~ George Carlin
My curls would never fall out, not in the middle of a hurricane. I've never considered people whose curls would fall out by the end of the day to be "curly."

I've always classified "curlies" as people fighting the battle to keep them under control.
Originally Posted by beckysma
I think it's time to reconsider your outlook.
Originally Posted by Bailey422
I agree with Bailey422! Ouch! My curls may need a bit of a boost and definitely some hold to keep from ending up weird-looking/smushed, but even on my worst hair day, I don't think anyone would look at my naturally wavy/curly hair and say that it's not curly. And definitely no one would think that it's straight!
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I'm a 2b/3a in a perpetual search for the products that will actually give me a good hair day in this brutal heat and humidity!

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