to do a silkner or not

shonee · 08-06-2007, 08:29 AM

I have been thinking about doing a silkner on my hair. has anyone on here had one. I really dont want to use one but I think I have no other solution than that. Not really looking forward to the chemical treatment.

Suburbanbushbabe · 08-06-2007, 08:42 AM

Your hair is beautiful. What results do you want from the silkener? You can eliminate frizz with good product use and conditioners. You can enhance/define your texture with conditoners and products. I saw very little difference between your twist-out texture and your just washed texture so it's quite probable you can get the texture of a twist-out with products. Shrinkage can be reduced with a silkener, yes. But so can stretching your hair back into a pony with your hands when it's dry.

shonee · 08-06-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburbanbushbabe

Your hair is beautiful. What results do you want from the silkener? You can eliminate frizz with good product use and conditioners. You can enhance/define your texture with conditoners and products. I saw very little difference between your twist-out texture and your just washed texture so it's quite probable you can get the texture of a twist-out with products. Shrinkage can be reduced with a silkener, yes. But so can stretching your hair back into a pony with your hands when it's dry.

okay Im listening and have pen in hand what are the products?

Suburbanbushbabe · 08-06-2007, 08:59 AM

Tell me first what results you want?

shonee · 08-06-2007, 09:02 AM

eliminate frizz define texture. detangling good condish and great moisterizer lets not forget help with stopping shrinkage!

shonee · 08-06-2007, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by shonee

eliminate frizz define texture. detangling good condish and great moisterizer lets not forget help with stopping shrinkage!

oh yea and just manage it better. get the days of combing my hair everyday is gone?

eccentric_kurlz · 08-06-2007, 09:43 AM

You didn't happen to ask about this on myspace, did you?

Since I know exactly what you are looking for(now), you can do some of the following:

Having more defined(less frizzy) hair involves using products that moisturize properly, as well as general maintenance. Not shampooing as often(and using gentle shampoos when you do) minimizes frizz. I've noticed that when my hair is moisturized, I don't experience as much. But realistically, there will be some frizz. That's the nature of our hair.

Also, it's kind a hard to define your curls and minimize shrinkage. IMO, you either can have one or the other, because with more definition, tends to be more shrinkage, unless you're utilize styling methods like twist and braid-outs, or coil-outs.

For detangling, the best way to combat it is using good conditioners with slip(Trader Joe's Nourish Spa, Elucence Moisture Balancing Conditioner, Tigi Moisture Maniac). And if you really want to minimize it, try putting your hair in scrunchies at night and reactivating curls in the morning. You will get the most tangles when the hair is worn out. Or, utilize protective styling.

HTH

Suburbanbushbabe · 08-06-2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shonee

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Originally Posted by shonee

eliminate frizz define texture. detangling good condish and great moisterizer lets not forget help with stopping shrinkage!

oh yea and just manage it better. get the days of combing my hair everyday is gone?

It's as much process as products. Keep in mind every head of hair is different, but these are the processes and products I've had success with. If you have been using products that contain silicones, a lot of waxes, drying alcohols, or mineral oil/paraffinum, do a clarifying shampoo, and deep condition before you start any of this --

Define texture and moisturize - deep treatments and frequent condition washing will help do this, and help eliminate frizz. The more equal the moisture content in your hair is to the moisture in the air, the less it will pull moisture from the air and frizz up. With enough moisture in your hair, stylers will start to work much better. Condition as a deep treatment, condition to cleanse, condition to detangle, use a light leave-in conditioner. Occasional shampoos with non-sulfate products are fine.

To eliminate frizz when styling, make sure all your strands are coated with product from root to tip (rake in and smooth with fingers). I apply product to my crown bent over and never have a frizz problem up there (I used to).

Avoid combing hair every day/manage better: Only time I comb is when I co-wash or condition. Once you increase the moisture content in your hair with conditioners, try a gel over your leave-in on wash day. See if you can get 2nd day hair from that. Sleeping on a silk charmeuse pillowcase can reduce frizz. And your hair is long enough to "pinapple" (put into a loose scunci/ponytail at the top of your head) to sleep. My hair isn't long but I can do this with 2 pony puffs. In the a.m. I stuff it under a shower cap to shower, then use a few sprays of Devacurl Set it Free and Blended Cutie Soft curls & Swirls (or any CG pomade) mixed in my hand, then scrunched into hair. This softens and helps fluff the curl.
Devacurl Set it Free- on line or if there's an Ulta or Trade Secrets near you.

Blended cutie/Blended Beauty - on line (www.sistasplace.biz you can buy samples rather than full sizes)

Overnight Deep treatments: sheabutter/mango butter mixed with almond or extra virgin olive or coconut oil. Do large twists or braids to sleep and co-wash next day. Castor oil mixed with jojoba oil. Sleep in a conditioning cap and non-sulfate shampoo next day.

Oils - at Whole Foods or on line or health store. Jojoba at Trader Joes

1/2 hour Deep treatments (with heatcap): Lustrasilk sheabutter cholesteral. Anita Grant Rhassoul conditoner (with coconut milk); Jessicurl Weekly Deep Treatment.

Both on line

Pre-poo treatment: Mix coconut milk/cheap conditioner/coconut oil/castor oil/honey. Rub into dry dirty hair. Put on a plastic cap and heat cap for 30 minutes. Shampoo and condition. Can use after shampoo, too.

Co-wash conditioners; Many people use Suave Naturals or V05 Moisture Milks, or Trader Joe Nourish, then follow up with a rinse-out conditioner.

Conditioning cleansers - Blended Beauty curl cleansing conditoner; WEN fig. Both of these are very moisturizing & detangling as well as cleansing and you don't need a rinse-out conditioner with them. Go straight to the leave-in.

Rinse-out conditioners: Robert Craig, John Masters Citrus/Neroli detangler (you can use both of these as a leave-in as well) Trader Joe Nourish, Elucence Moisture Balancing conditioner.

Robert Craig & Elucence on line
John Masters on line or at Whole Foods
TJ Nourish at Trader Joes

Leave-in conditioners: Abba Nourishing, Paul Mitchell The Conditioner (generic & genuine worked equally well for me). My current f avorite is SheaMoisture Sheabutter leave-in combined with pure aloe vera gel. This is a very moisturizing and curl defining leave in and may not require any gel over it. Shealoe butter may be very similar; or sheabutter mixed with flaxseed gel (you have to make this one). CurlyQ Milkshake (volume reducing, moisturizing, texture enhancing).

SheaMoisture & CurlyQ on-line
Abba Nourishing, Paul Mitchell genuine at beauty stores
Paul Mitchell Generic & Ecostyler at Sally Beauty supply
Aubrey Mandaring Magic at health shops or On-line
LA Looks at the drugsture

Gels: Aubrey Organic Mandarin Magic, John Masters Silk Protein (love them both); I also like Devacurl Angell. Ecostyler gel is cheap, and volume reducing, as is IC Fantasia Blue. LA Looks Durahold got great reviews too.

Hope this helps. Good luck if you decide to get relaxed.

shonee · 08-06-2007, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eccentric_kurlz

You didn't happen to ask about this on myspace, did you?

Since I know exactly what you are looking for(now), you can do some of the following:

Having more defined(less frizzy) hair involves using products that moisturize properly, as well as general maintenance. Not shampooing as often(and using gentle shampoos when you do) minimizes frizz. I've noticed that when my hair is moisturized, I don't experience as much. But realistically, there will be some frizz. That's the nature of our hair.

Also, it's kind a hard to define your curls and minimize shrinkage. IMO, you either can have one or the other, because with more definition, tends to be more shrinkage, unless you're utilize styling methods like twist and braid-outs, or coil-outs.

For detangling, the best way to combat it is using good conditioners with slip(Trader Joe's Nourish Spa, Elucence Moisture Balancing Conditioner, Tigi Moisture Maniac). And if you really want to minimize it, try putting your hair in scrunchies at night and reactivating curls in the morning. You will get the most tangles when the hair is worn out. Or, utilize protective styling.

HTH

see I love the hair in your avator

shonee · 08-06-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburbanbushbabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by shonee

Quote:

Originally Posted by shonee

eliminate frizz define texture. detangling good condish and great moisterizer lets not forget help with stopping shrinkage!

oh yea and just manage it better. get the days of combing my hair everyday is gone?

It's as much process as products. Keep in mind every head of hair is different, but these are the processes and products I've had success with. If you have been using products that contain silicones, a lot of waxes, drying alcohols, or mineral oil/paraffinum, do a clarifying shampoo, and deep condition before you start any of this --

Define texture and moisturize - deep treatments and frequent condition washing will help do this, and help eliminate frizz. The more equal the moisture content in your hair is to the moisture in the air, the less it will pull moisture from the air and frizz up. With enough moisture in your hair, stylers will start to work much better. Condition as a deep treatment, condition to cleanse, condition to detangle, use a light leave-in conditioner. Occasional shampoos with non-sulfate products are fine.

To eliminate frizz when styling, make sure all your strands are coated with product from root to tip (rake in and smooth with fingers). I apply product to my crown bent over and never have a frizz problem up there (I used to).

Avoid combing hair every day/manage better: Only time I comb is when I co-wash or condition. Once you increase the moisture content in your hair with conditioners, try a gel over your leave-in on wash day. See if you can get 2nd day hair from that. Sleeping on a silk charmeuse pillowcase can reduce frizz. And your hair is long enough to "pinapple" (put into a loose scunci/ponytail at the top of your head) to sleep. My hair isn't long but I can do this with 2 pony puffs. In the a.m. I stuff it under a shower cap to shower, then use a few sprays of Devacurl Set it Free and Blended Cutie Soft curls & Swirls (or any CG pomade) mixed in my hand, then scrunched into hair. This softens and helps fluff the curl.

Overnight Deep treatments: sheabutter/mango butter mixed with almond or extra virgin olive or coconut oil. Do large twists or braids to sleep and co-wash next day. Castor oil mixed with jojoba oil. Sleep in a conditioning cap and non-sulfate shampoo next day.

1/2 hour Deep treatments (with heatcap): Lustrasilk sheabutter cholesteral. Anita Grant Rhassoul conditoner (with coconut milk); Jessicurl Weekly Deep Treatment.

Pre-poo treatment: Mix coconut milk/cheap conditioner/coconut oil/castor oil/honey. Rub into dry dirty hair. Put on a plastic cap and heat cap for 30 minutes. Shampoo and condition. Can use after shampoo, too.

Co-wash conditioners; Many people use Suave Naturals or V05 Moisture Milks, or Trader Joe Nourish, then follow up with a rinse-out conditioner.

Conditioning cleansers - Blended Beauty curl cleansing conditoner; WEN fig. Both of these are very moisturizing & detangling as well as cleansing and you don't need a rinse-out conditioner with them. Go straight to the leave-in.

Rinse-out conditioners: Robert Craig, John Masters Citrus/Neroli detangler (you can use both of these as a leave-in as well) Trader Joe Nourish, Elucence Moisture Balancing conditioner.

Leave-in conditioners: Abba Nourishing, Paul Mitchell The Conditioner (generic & genuine worked equally well for me). My current f avorite is SheaMoisture Sheabutter leave-in combined with pure aloe vera gel. This is a very moisturizing and curl defining leave in and may not require any gel over it. Shealoe butter may be very similar; or sheabutter mixed with flaxseed gel (you have to make this one). CurlyQ Milkshake (volume reducing, moisturizing, texture enhancing).

Gels: Aubrey Organic Mandarin Magic, John Masters Silk Protein (love them both); I also like Devacurl Angell. Ecostyler gel is cheap, and volume reducing, as is IC Fantasia Blue. LA Looks Durahold got great reviews too.

Hope this helps. Good luck if you decide to get relaxed.

okay I will try theseoptions like I said I really dont what to put harsh chemicals in my hair! thanks

shonee · 08-07-2007, 04:53 AM

okay pls excuse me but can I buy these products in a beauty store or do I have to order on line?

shonee · 08-07-2007, 01:57 PM

okay so i went out and bought some new products I bought suave daily clarifying poo, V05 moisture milks strawberries and cream, a denman brush,elasta QP mango butter, fantasia IC gel, and kids organics shea butter detanling moisterizer.

********product junkie************

Suburbanbushbabe · 08-07-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by shonee

okay so i went out and bought some new products I bought suave daily clarifying poo, V05 moisture milks strawberries and cream, a denman brush,elasta QP mango butter, fantasia IC gel, and kids organics shea butter detanling moisterizer.

********product junkie************

Good start! Make sure they don't have any silicones and I wouldn't use the clarifying poo more than once or twice. I'm adding buying sources to my post above.

shonee · 08-09-2007, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suburbanbushbabe™

Quote:

Originally Posted by shonee

okay so i went out and bought some new products I bought suave daily clarifying poo, V05 moisture milks strawberries and cream, a denman brush,elasta QP mango butter, fantasia IC gel, and kids organics shea butter detanling moisterizer.

********product junkie************

Good start! Make sure they don't have any silicones and I wouldn't use the clarifying poo more than once or twice. I'm adding buying sources to my post above.

thanks I have the shea butter olive oil condish in my hair now overnight treatments! I have been to the beauty supply like everyday this week the guy there told me if I come in 2 more days I can work there!!!