questions for very fine haired wavies and curlies

What routines and products are your HG or current faves?

I am a 2 A/B and have discovered that my hair gets weighed down/gets a product-y feel VERY VERY easily (knew it was fine, but never thought THIS fine). I've obviously eliminated cones, and proteins too, but now I think oils are killing my hair......

So going with no oils/cones/proteins here is my current products/routine:

Jessicurl GLS (every few days)
BTB Pomegranate Peach condish -old formula
Alagio body building gel or HE body envy (scrunch in soaking wet hair)
microfiber towel - plop 10-15 minutes
diffuse about 50% to get some body in my root area then air dry rest

With this routine/product line up I am not getting alot of hold or curl enhancement and it's a bit fluffy, BUT If I try to add anything with oils (with the idea of giving a little more weight/texture and curl enhancement) I get a product-y feel on my hair and limper looking hair (although curl definition is better).

Some of the products I've tried to add to the above routine and had gunky results are (only added one at a time): Deva One C, Deva Angell, Deva Set it Free (all Devas have oil), Jessicurl RR, Jessicurl CCSS (this one wasn't as heavy as the rest but still a little gunky - and I used just a nickel size), Redken Fresh Curls Condish, Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee.

Any suggestions on super light weight moisturizing, curl enhancing/defining products? I love what I'm learning about my hair but trying to find a balance is exhausting!

TY!
Hi Texas
I am a 2b, fine wavy. I can get my hair all the way up to a 3b depending on method and products.

First of all - I need to change products periodically depending on the weather. In the summer the Jessicurl products (except the conditioners - Aloeba or Too Shea) have too much oil for me and the BTB Pomegranate Peach condish is way too heavy. You may want to try the Aloeba or Elucence Moisture Balancing Conditioner: these seem to be much lighter than many conditioners but still have lots of slip and conditioning power. I find Set it Free way too oily for me too. And I don't like gels at all except for Angel (not ArcAngel)

For the summer I wash with either Devacurl No-Poo or VO5 Tea Therapy Clarifying Vanilla Mint Tea Conditioner, Condition with DevaOneC or BTB Jasmine Curl Conditioner, then use a pea size drop of Re:Coil (the best curl enhancing product for me) mixed with either Angel gel or Boots. If its very humid and I'm frizzing out, I use Curlkeeper right after conditioning, then my usual styling products. My curls hold well and I usually have second day hair once or twice a week.

Your method sounds like the same way I do mine. You know the scrunching, plopping, diffusing.

I do use a no sulfate shampoo once every 2 weeks or so (Burt's Bees Pomegranate Soy Very Volumizing) and a low, gentle sulfate shampoo (elucence volume clarifying shampoo) every couple of months or when I have a hair disaster. These kind of give me a fresh start.

The selection and combinations of products can be overwhelming and very confusing. It took me a few months to find my HG's. I still try new stuff all the time but always go back to the above products.

Good luck - hope this helps.
"What's the good of having naturally curly hair if nobody's jealous?" Freida - Peanuts

~CG 8/06 ~
fine, wavy - 2b/3a
KCNT and KKCC
I have the same problem. First I think the B2B is making you fluffy thats what it does to me too... save it and try again in winter! I highly reccommend MOPTOP condish it is very moisturizing yet lightweight. (My only problem with it is by the time I get it to Canada it costs me at least 36$ for a bottle so I am currently in search of something cheaper!)
As for stylers the aveda flaxseed gel is great if you can stand the alcohol denat. in it I got some really nice volume from that one. THe nice thing about aveda is they will return anything if you arent happy with it so its worth a try. HTH
Lots of Fine easily weighed down 3A curls
PJ currently loving Devacare one c, CEHT,& Durahold but still searching for HGs
Finally grew out my bad layers!!!
THere is a moptop trial kit on the swap board I would try that.
Lots of Fine easily weighed down 3A curls
PJ currently loving Devacare one c, CEHT,& Durahold but still searching for HGs
Finally grew out my bad layers!!!
I'm a fine-haired wavichelli, myself, so I've got a few good suggestions.

1. Curl Keeper - It contains no oils (if I remember correctly), and it never left my hair feeling gunky or producty.
2. Curlisto Structura lotion - Again, I remember this one being oil free. It never left my hair feeling gunky, and it actually gave my hair a lot of volume. It made my hair a little bit poofier than I'd like, though, and it doesn't have very much hold, so using gel with it is a necessity.
3. You're either going to laugh or look at me incredulously, but a less expensive alternative to my first suggestion is not on the hair product aisle of your local drug store. I'm talking about KY jelly. No, don't look at me like that, I'm serious! It doesn't contain oil (oil dissolves latex, after all), its ingredients are actually pretty similar to those in Curl Keeper, and it defines my hair without leaving a producty feel to it or making me look like I have twelve strands of hair. It is definitely possible to be too heavy handed with this one, though. A little (I use a quarter-sized dollop for each side of my bra strap length hair) goes a long way, and it is my secret weapon for battling the humidity here in Austin. Plus, if you decide it's not for you, not only are you out a mere $3, but this product definitely has other uses.

I've just restarted the CG routine, and I find that's helped a lot too. I use V05 Kiwi Lime squeeze to wash, DevaCurl One Condition to condition, and to style I usually use a mixture of either KY jelly or Giovanni Direct Leave-in and Graham Webb Making Waves gel. I just shake the excess water out of my hair, slop on whatever cocktail of product I decide to use, scrunch with my microfiber towel and leave it alone until it dries. If I'm feeling fancy, I'll diffuse for a couple of minutes just to set my waves and decrease drying time. Sometimes, I just go with the leave-in and the KY, although that definitely doesn't cut it on a windy day since I walk to my lab every day. I hope you find at least one of my suggestions helpful.
skiddoo - are you serious???!!!!
That's absolutely fabulous....KY jelly on my hair!
I could never tell my husband though - I think that one would do him in for sure - he barely puts up with the honey, baking soda and lemon juice the way it is!
I'm a fine haired botticelli girl myself and always looking for LIGHT products to avoid the weighed down producty issue.
I just might have to try it - giggle -
pbj
started CG 5/20/07 as an experiment to avoid shaving my head! I just want to love my hair
I am dead serious! My boyfriend laughed so hard he nearly passed out the first time he stayed over at my place and saw me doing my hair, but he has to admit that my hair looks pretty darn good. If you do try it, don't be too heavy-handed with it. I know from experience, the results are disastrous.
Hi Texas
I am a 2b, fine wavy. I can get my hair all the way up to a 3b depending on method and products.

First of all - I need to change products periodically depending on the weather. In the summer the Jessicurl products (except the conditioners - Aloeba or Too Shea) have too much oil for me and the BTB Pomegranate Peach condish is way too heavy. You may want to try the Aloeba or Elucence Moisture Balancing Conditioner: these seem to be much lighter than many conditioners but still have lots of slip and conditioning power. I find Set it Free way too oily for me too. And I don't like gels at all except for Angel (not ArcAngel)

For the summer I wash with either Devacurl No-Poo or VO5 Tea Therapy Clarifying Vanilla Mint Tea Conditioner, Condition with DevaOneC or BTB Jasmine Curl Conditioner, then use a pea size drop of Re:Coil (the best curl enhancing product for me) mixed with either Angel gel or Boots. If its very humid and I'm frizzing out, I use Curlkeeper right after conditioning, then my usual styling products. My curls hold well and I usually have second day hair once or twice a week.

Your method sounds like the same way I do mine. You know the scrunching, plopping, diffusing.

I do use a no sulfate shampoo once every 2 weeks or so (Burt's Bees Pomegranate Soy Very Volumizing) and a low, gentle sulfate shampoo (elucence volume clarifying shampoo) every couple of months or when I have a hair disaster. These kind of give me a fresh start.

The selection and combinations of products can be overwhelming and very confusing. It took me a few months to find my HG's. I still try new stuff all the time but always go back to the above products.

Good luck - hope this helps.
Originally Posted by bostonwaves
Hi, I'm also a 2b and have been trying to incorporate some of these products into my routine. I just wanted to ask you a few questions. How often do you use no poo? On days you don't but still wet your hair do you just use conditioner? Does ck mix well with angel? Thanks so much.
Skiddoo-
I was also looking for a product that is compares to CK, I would have never have thought to use KY, but it is cheap enough to give it a try. How in the world did you ever come up with thinking to try it?
I guess after becoming so obsessive about looking at ingredients in my hair products, I sort of picked up the habit of reading ingredient lists on other products I use too. I noticed the similarity in ingredients between KY liquid and CK, and gave the KY a whirl on a whim. It turned out nice, if a little squicky (I used way too much the first time). I've since discovered that I prefer the KY jelly over the liquid for my hair.
Thanks all!



Skiddoo, I'm laughing and not thinking you are crazy! I wrote down ALL of your suggestions (hmmm now, where is my KY....) Thank you!

Long N Curly- I will put the moptop on my list and ditch the BTB Pom/Pch for now.

Boston- thanks for all the reccs- I need to find Elucence - it's the one thing on my list that I don't ever see anywhere I go.....

Oh and BTW, while I have some fine haired curlies/wavies listening, do any of you ever ...<*gasp*>... straighten your curls once in a while? If so, what do you use to get your fine hair soft and smooth without weighing it down AND that's not too horrible/damaging. What do you then use to get the smoothing products out? (clarify)

thx.....
texasgal71
very fine hair-daily humidity battle
2B so far, wash daily w/gentle poo, clarify wkly
Current faves: EMBC, Mop C poo, LOOB, Recoil, CK, HE BE gel
KY Interesting

jojoba oil is good for smoothing hair out and it is not damaging, it could be used for straightening
i use phytodefrissant to straighten. i love it for that, and sometimes i use it as a frizz-fighter when i wear my hair curly. i haven't found the perfect combo for my hair yet. brhg is my hair "comfort food" in that i can always trust it to work decently, even if it isn't the absolute best. i need to give KY a try, though. who'd a thunk??
2c/3a CG
HG products: AG Recoil, DevaCurl Set It Free
hummmm would astroglide work?
hummmm would astroglide work?
Originally Posted by Trisha3131
Astroglide is oil-based, isn't it? KY is water-based.

astroglide is water based.
2c/3a CG
HG products: AG Recoil, DevaCurl Set It Free
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ok whats with all this KY discussion? I swear theres at least 3 threads where its mentioned. No, I am not putting a vagina moisterizer in my hair no matter what.

anyway, it sounds like you really need to give your hair some time to dry, and I mean let it dry completely. Of course it gets weighed down with products, thats what happens to most people, but when those products dry, unless its a really heavy gel or something (and even then its unlikely) your hair wont be "weighed down" anymore
ok whats with all this KY discussion? I swear theres at least 3 threads where its mentioned. No, I am not putting a vagina moisterizer in my hair no matter what.
Originally Posted by keikok
Like I said, I first used it because I noticed its ingredients were fairly similar to Curl Keeper's. I was then so pleased with how it worked that it became a routine for me and is now a mainstay in my hair routine. I understand your prejudice against slathering personal lubricant in your hair, though. I never would have thought of it myself had I not become such a geek about reading ingredient labels on products.

I then recommended it based on the fact that texasgal prefers products without oils. When products with oil dry, the weight from the water leaves, but the oil does not evaporate and it can leave a gunky feel on fine hair that isn't porous. KY is water based, has lots of nice humectants for curl enhancement, and has no fragrance. It's just a clear, goopy product that does the same thing whether you rub it on your head or your nether regions. No one's head is magically going to turn into a vagina from using it.

So, that's what is with all of the KY discussion. Personally, I was also surprised that it caught on so well. My boyfriend laughed his arse off when he saw me putting personal lubricant in my hair, and I wasn't sure what kind of reaction I was going to get.
No one's head is magically going to turn into a vagina from using it.
Originally Posted by 23 Skiddoo
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
I understand your prejudice against slathering personal lubricant in your hair, though. I never would have thought of it myself had I not become such a geek about reading ingredient labels on products.
Originally Posted by 23 Skiddoo
You are not a geek, you are resourceful! I thought it was funny but never thought twice about NOT using it! Who cares what it's called if the ingredients work! It's not like it's been "used" and THEN slathered on your hair!

Many of the world's greatest inventions were "mistakes". Thanks again for your help! This board really encourages me to keep trying!
texasgal71
very fine hair-daily humidity battle
2B so far, wash daily w/gentle poo, clarify wkly
Current faves: EMBC, Mop C poo, LOOB, Recoil, CK, HE BE gel

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