I think I'm gonna cry...

I have very thick, coarse 3b hair that I've been trying to grow long, and 2 months ago I got a trim
The person who cut it, cut off like 4 inches.
so I lost most of the length I had been trying to grow.

Since I'm a 3b I lose a lot of length that I already have
So I decided months ago that I'd use a no-lye mild relaxer just to LOOSEN the curl...
because I had done it 2 years ago with great results I just left it in for less time. It was way less poofy, less frizzy and i could go productless with great waves and 3a curls. It did slowly fade and I had curlier hair every month

So I did it again the other day, my hair is STICK STRAIGHT, no wave at all
I tried scrunching it with gel, deep conditioning, honey
It still falls stick straight

I desperately miss my curls and want them back, just seeing someone with curly hair makes me sooo sad
I'm willing to PERM if necessary

please, someone give me a word of advice



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tisk tisk you should stay away from those chemicals. I definitely dont think you can perm your hair, but I'm not sure about that. I would just let it grow out again.
I feeel horrible for you!

Well, my advice is...Since the relaxer comes off, you should enjoy the luxury of having straight hair.

Because after a few months, it'll go curly again. =)


I'd be kind of thrilled at this situation, actually.


Nonono, don't get a perm. Too many chemicals, you should know how fragile curlies are.
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awww..
maybe look through the posts on the straightening/relaxing board? I'm sure someone has had a similiar problem.
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yeah I've been reading through the transitioning board..
and some people HAVE permed chemically straightened hair in order to get loose curls by leaving in the perm for a lesser amount of time

And the relaxer.. I'm not sure if it fades
in my past experience i used a no-lye relaxer and it DID fade
but my hair was never this straight to begin with. When I washed out the relaxer I had wavy hair.

it was calcium hydroxide

is anyone sure of no-lye relaxers being permanent for sure?

because it if permenant I'm soo getting a perm
if it DOES fade, is their anyway to make it fade faster?
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Don't perm it, you'll just damage it more. It might get brittle and start breaking off in clumps, which would be awful.

I'd recommend just waiting it out. Play around with your straight hair, and enjoy whipping it about and combing through it without worrying about frizz. I know it's not something you're used to, but I promise that it will be less brittle and dull than if you decide to do a curly perm over it. Curly perms use the same chemicals as relaxers to break down the disulfide bonds in your hair, they just also involve wrapping your hair around rods while the disulfide bonds reset in order to make it curly. Within a few months, the relaxer might wear off and you might get your waves and curls back.

If the relaxer does not wear off within three to six months, I bet you could perm over it then to blend the straight hair with the curly, newly grown roots without doing too much more damage.

If the relaxer does not wear off within three to six months, I bet you could perm over it then to blend the straight hair with the curly, newly grown roots without doing too much more damage.
Originally Posted by 23 Skiddoo
whats the chance it'll wear off
is it common for no-lye relaxers to wear off?
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If the relaxer does not wear off within three to six months, I bet you could perm over it then to blend the straight hair with the curly, newly grown roots without doing too much more damage.
Originally Posted by 23 Skiddoo
whats the chance it'll wear off
is it common for no-lye relaxers to wear off?
Originally Posted by Rumpled
I'm really not too sure, but to be honest, the chances might be pretty slim. No-lye relaxers are made of guanidine carbonate and calcium hydroxide, which react to make guanidine hydroxide. Like lye relaxers, their active straightening ingredient is really the hydroxide ions that are released when the guanidine hydroxide dissolves in water. Both work by "lanthionizing" the hair.

Let me explain what in the world that means. Hair is comprised of a protein called keratin, which is basically three long polypeptide chains that are bundled tightly together. A strand of hair contains many of these bundled twists of keratin, allbraided together kind of like a rope. The degree of curling depends on the number and position of disulfide linkages between cystine residues along the protein strands. The hydroxide in chemical relaxers break down all these disulfide bonds and convert them into lanthionine, which is pretty stable.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but since lanthionine is a stable compound, relaxing the hair is theoretically permanent. You did say it wore off for you in the past, though, so it might now. Curly perms always used to wear off for my mom, when she had them done in the nineties. That used to drive her crazy. I hope it wears off for you this time too, since I know you really miss your curly hair.

I've read that one thing a lot of people don't like about straightening with no-lye relaxers is that it leaves the hair dull, probably from the formation of water-insoluble calcium deposits. If you use a chelating shampoo, it will at least make your hair shinier by removing those deposits, even though it won't really help you get your curls back. I haven't been able to find any other information about the permenance of relaxers or why it seems to vary some from person to person.
Sounds like you got some great info here. I hope it wears off for you. I would continue to use a chelating shampoo and DT often, but I would not perm it. I'd hate to hear about your hair breaking off in clumps. Good luck.

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and smooth etc...

I guess I'll wait it out until curly roots start showing, if hair is still stick straight by then
perm it is.

Thanks sooo much for replies!
It made me feel loads better
I was about to go out to shoppers drug mart and pick up a perm kit last night!
Do you hear yourself talk? I might kill you tonight.- Stewie
Hang in there and see how it goes.

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