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View Poll Results: What's your opinion of cyclopentasiloxane?
Hate it! Avoid it completely! 19 25.33%
Never tried it/avoid it because of negative comments. 24 32.00%
Used to use it but now don't. 9 12.00%
Use it rarely then clarify after. 4 5.33%
Use it rarely. 7 9.33%
Use it regularly and clarify regularly. 6 8.00%
Use it regularly and love it. 4 5.33%
My HG contains cyclopentasiloxane. 2 2.67%
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Old 05-07-2005, 10:13 AM   #21
 
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LibbyLiz, there are so many products with cyclopentasiloxane that if you've tried a drugstore conditioner, drugstore anti-frizz cream, Redken conditioner, or Avalon conditioner, you've probably experienced it.
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I voted for "Used to use it but now don't"

It is high up(3rd) on the list of the ingredients of one of my previously favorite conditioners(Infusium 23 Revitalizing Conditioner). I would get great hair when I used this condish & still have a full unopened bottle of it. I stopped using it because:
1. Since I found NC.com, I was too scared to use it anymore after hearing all the bad stuff
2. Since I don't use SLS poos anymore, I will not use it.

Guess I will have to find someone to donate it to!!
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Old 05-07-2005, 11:32 AM   #23
 
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I think my biggest moan about this chemical is that unless you read NC.com fairly thoroughly, or are very well informed, you can't tell from the name that it's a cone!
Well, shame on me! I should have known that!

I just bought the Curls line. All I know is that my hair freaked out. Can't say if it was the oil (this line uses a variety of them) or the Cyclopetasiloxane. It was my understanding that this line is good for curlies who poo or clarify more often. I was kind of disappointed.
I really wanted this line to work.
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I just bought the Curls line. All I know is that my hair freaked out. Can't say if it was the oil (this line uses a variety of them) or the Cyclopetasiloxane. It was my understanding that this line is good for curlies who poo or clarify more often. I was kind of disappointed.
I really wanted this line to work.
Curls has cyclopentasiloxane! OMG! I wouldn't imagine a curl-oriented brand would do that!

Maybe a regular brand with a curly line (like the ISO Bouncy Conditioner)... that doesn't surprise me...

But Curls?!? How disappointing!
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My Curls condish has this as one of the main ingredients.
I just caught what you said. I was thinking about trying the Curly Q version. I wonder if it's the same deal. A shame if it is.
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Curls has cyclopentasiloxane! OMG! I wouldn't imagine a curl-oriented brand would do that!
Yeah, I know. That's my fault. I've learned my lesson. I should have read the ingredients before trying them. The evil cone is in the Curls Conditioner.
If you are on CG, not a good idea.
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If you are on CG, not a good idea.
When I first encountered cyclopentasiloxane, it was when Dove conditioners added it. I'd been using the Moisture Rich Poo and Conditioner for almost 2 years, and suddenly, just after getting a new bottle of the conditioner, my hair was so incredibly frizzy. I sat down and compared my new ingred list and my old one (actually fished it out of the trash because I had to know). Cyclopentasiloxane was the only addition and a few vitamins switched places in rank waayyyy down on the list (and I knew the vitamins weren't to blame).

I searched every drugstore and the like (Walmart, Target, Kmart) for even one bottle that remained cyclopentasiloxane-free but to no avail. I threw away the new formula, and started a hunt for a new conditioner.

It wasn't long after that when most other drugstore conditioners completed their transformations to adding cyclopentasiloxane. There is some really deceitful salesperson with some high-up connections distributing this stuff.

Recently, I'm starting to see it in more high-end products. Redken had it shortly after the drugstore conditioners. But ISO Bouncy Conditioner (brand new product) has it, as well as Aveda Sap Moss Detangler and Anti-Humectant pomade. I'm a little scared that it will continue spreading in popularity.
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LB, you think it's just a cheaper alternative, which is why everyone's hopping on it?

Funny thing, I was talking to a curly the other day who isn't that into her hair care products about Suave and she said, "Oh they put plastic in their products." She was unknowingly referring to this cone.

I hope they get so much negative press about the stuff, they'll eventually ditch it like some of the other deadly chemicals of yesteryear. I just hope we survive the trend.
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Well, shame on me! I should have known that!

I just bought the Curls line. All I know is that my hair freaked out. Can't say if it was the oil (this line uses a variety of them) or the Cyclopetasiloxane. It was my understanding that this line is good for curlies who poo or clarify more often. I was kind of disappointed.
I really wanted this line to work.
I almost freaked out when I read the thread here the same day I got my Curls line stuff in the mail. I am soo dissapointed. I was really looking forward to this line for my son ( curly q's). I won't use it. I got him a Giovanni instead....
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I almost freaked out when I read the thread here the same day I got my Curls line stuff in the mail. I am soo dissapointed. I was really looking forward to this line for my son ( curly q's). I won't use it. I got him a Giovanni instead....
M&A, I don't know which products you ordered, but am I hearing both Curls & Curly Q conditioner have it? I'm using the Curly Q moisturizer which is excellent, so there are products in the line which don't have it.

I am also on a search for my daughter and was going to pick up some of the Giovanni today (Vitamshoppe is running a buy 2 get the 3rd deal). Interested in your review on this product with a younger curly. Please PM me or if you rather, we could start another thread. (I don't want to guano)
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Old 05-08-2005, 10:59 AM   #31
 
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I've used both haircare and skincare products that have this ingredient, and for me, I didn't see a difference between using it and not using it.
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I almost freaked out when I read the thread here the same day I got my Curls line stuff in the mail. I am soo dissapointed. I was really looking forward to this line for my son ( curly q's). I won't use it. I got him a Giovanni instead....
M&A, I don't know which products you ordered, but am I hearing both Curls & Curly Q conditioner have it? I'm using the Curly Q moisturizer which is excellent, so there are products in the line which don't have it.

I am also on a search for my daughter and was going to pick up some of the Giovanni today (Vitamshoppe is running a buy 2 get the 3rd deal). Interested in your review on this product with a younger curly. Please PM me or if you rather, we could start another thread. (I don't want to guano)
The Curls line Conditoner (Coconut Cream Moisturie 2 the Max) for adult has this cone.
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Old 05-09-2005, 07:27 AM   #33
 
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So... what could we do to prevent the spread of cyclopentasiloxane to more products?

I'm okay with there being anti-frizz products added with cyclopentasiloxane for the minority who get decent results from it. But I'm sick of having good products tampered with and the choices we have narrowed. There's practically no drugstore conditioners left without it, and cyclopentasiloxane is starting to inch into salon conditioners and other products.

What can we do? Would people here be willing to do something? I figure that only in mass would we be able to get some attention.
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For starters, maybe Aveda would be receptive to a letter-writing (e-mail?) campaign, since they are recent violators and, yet, progressive.
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For starters, maybe Aveda would be receptive to a letter-writing (e-mail?) campaign, since they are recent violators and, yet, progressive.
Yeah, I think letters would be better than email because they'd consider us spam if we emailed.
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Old 05-09-2005, 08:56 AM   #36
 
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I'm afraid of it because of the info presented here (and I know how my hair responds to regular sized cones = not well) I've only used it once, in JF Beach Waves (whatever) which also has isopenta-something, so who knows why that product generated massive frizz. I will not buy anything with cyclopentasiloxane in it, period.

I wonder if the companies are aware of the power of a site like this to completely prevent consumers from buying. I fear if somebody like me (steering clear of cyclo...) sent a letter to a haircare company, I'd just get back a bunch of dumb samples, "Oh, you haven't tried it? We know you'll just love this, our new formula crap!"

The mark of intelligence is supposed to be learning from others' mistakes (and not having to reenact each one yourself.) Thank you Laurabeth and others for letting us wisely learn from your mis-adventures with cyclo-blahblah.
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I think any one of these companies would respond well if you give them facts and figures. Then they can start to do the math as in if 50% of the population is curly, and their new & improved coned products are having a widespread negative result on curly heads, then that could result into up to 50% of lost sales.

If every one shot a letter off to the company's whose favorite products they had to switch from because they reformulated, you're talking about a blitz of negative press across the whole industry. You want them all to hear about it. And before long, you'll probably see them trying to make a buck on new ad campaigns saying their better than the competitor cuz they ditched the evil cone.
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My hair likes cones AND there are cones in my HG, so I wanted to vote for both those choices but could only vote for one. Maybe it would be better to not have both choices for a more accurate polling answer. Anyhow this ingredient is in my HG Pantene Relaxed and natural conditioner. I've been using it for 2 years and it doesn't build up at all on me, and is not drying like proteins.
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My hair likes cones AND there are cones in my HG, so I wanted to vote for both those choices but could only vote for one. Maybe it would be better to not have both choices for a more accurate polling answer. Anyhow this ingredient is in my HG Pantene Relaxed and natural conditioner. I've been using it for 2 years and it doesn't build up at all on me, and is not drying like proteins.
The issue isn't all cones but cyclopentasiloxane. I didn't think Pantene Relaxed and Natural had cyclopentasiloxane.
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Old 05-10-2005, 05:04 PM   #40
 
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It's in so many makeup and face cream products. Should we be avoiding it in those too?
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