Echokitten: Jessicurl WDT vs. SheaMoisture

Echokitten,
I've read several of your posts where you've mentioned that your using the Jessicurl WDT as a leave-in. I know that your also using SheaMoisture. How in your opinion, do the two compare? Have you experienced any over conditioning using this as a leave-in on a daily bases or are you alternating leave-ins?

Thanks!
3c-4a; Protein Sensitive(forms of wheat, keratin, soy and anything "hydrolyzed"). My hair hates coconut oil and jojoba oil(sometimes).
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Yep, I use WDT as a leave in almost every day, it was an accidental good mistake. I grabbed it by mistake one morning instead of the Too Shea I had been using and HOLY COW! the results were awesome! I haven't really noticed any overcondidtioning so far, and I've been using it for over a month or so. I don't really use that much, just about 2 quarter sized amounts...my hair is past BSL so that really isn't much in the grand scheme. I really love how soft it makes my hair and it works really well with the Biotera gel and Aura gel I use over it. I guess I should also mention that I poo with HCC about every other week or so, which is maybe why I have avoided over condish.

As for comparing it to SheaM...well, I guess I would preface by saying that the SheaM is MUCH thicker and doesn't make my hair as soft and silky as the WDT, and I use it more when it's cold out (didn't use it all summer long almost), which usually means dry heat in my home and therefore dry hair. It's a great frizz tamer for me. I used to use the SheaM pretty exclusively by it's self but have gotten much better results by cutting it with something thinner like Too Shea, Aloeba or the WDT. I also found that with using SheaM alone with gel my hair did in fact feel "coated" as other curlies have mentioned. With the WDT I don't get that feeling. I think this[diluting] would work better for a lot of 3a curlies also, 3b and up probably have a better result using it straight. Plus, when I do use it straight, I apply it to absolutely sopping wet hair, accordion scrunching it in the ends and raking at the roots until I feel an even distribution.

I'm not sure why the WDT works better than the other Jessicurl condishes as a leave in. It make my hair slick and really silky and oh so soft...My theory is that the others have a more oily consistency, which by trial and error I have found is less desirable for me under gels. They make my curls less clumpy, thinner and stringy. I also have noticed that it helps when I am wetting my hair before cowashing, it has residual detangling properties for me which the SheaM does not.
Did I answer your question or just babble too much?
Cincinnati Ohio>>>Coarse protein sensitive 3a, Jessicurl WDT as a leave in, Biotera gel, White Boots, PW= coffeecurls

"Man tries to exaggerate what nature has given him," Charles Darwin (1809-1882).

"Nothing makes a woman more beautiful than the belief that she is beautiful." -Sophia Loren
echokitten, do you notice any flaking, or white clumping when you use jessiecurls WDT?
Indian girl with full head of very thick curls (3A, 3B and 3C)
CG Routine, protein sensitive

The longer I live the more beautiful life becomes.
-Frank Lloyd Wright
Echokitten wrote:
I'm not sure why the WDT works better than the other Jessicurl condishes as a leave in. It make my hair slick and really silky and oh so soft...My theory is that the others have a more oily consistency, which by trial and error I have found is less desirable for me under gels. They make my curls less clumpy, thinner and stringy. I also have noticed that it helps when I am wetting my hair before cowashing, it has residual detangling properties for me which the SheaM does not.
Did I answer your question or just babble too much? laughing9
First, thanks so much for responding to my post Try not to be too surprised, you are well respected and your advice is thought very highly of on these boards as well Your theory seems to hold a lot of truth for me as far as product lines geared more towards my hair type(3C-4A). I find that product lines like BB and Qhemet are too darn oily and heavy! I've had better luck with the SheaMoisture and the Kiehl's Leave-In. They work fabulous for me. Unfortunately, the Kiehl's is so very expensive. I'm trying to find a leave-in that will match it's moisturizing abilities. SheaM. is a heavier version of the Kiehl's leave-in for me. 2X's better than Robert Craig, IMO. The price is also 2X's more expensive per 8 oz. Anyway, are you getting good curl definition and frizz control with the WDT also? BTW-There's no such thing as babbling too much when talking about hair. lol.
3c-4a; Protein Sensitive(forms of wheat, keratin, soy and anything "hydrolyzed"). My hair hates coconut oil and jojoba oil(sometimes).
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Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/teshonandfamily
echokitten, do you notice any flaking, or white clumping when you use jessiecurls WDT?
Originally Posted by IndianCurlyGirl
No. Not that I have noticed, as long as I don't use too much gel. It's the gel that is the culprit not the leave ins really...as long as I use leave ins that are of "natural" ingredients.
Cincinnati Ohio>>>Coarse protein sensitive 3a, Jessicurl WDT as a leave in, Biotera gel, White Boots, PW= coffeecurls

"Man tries to exaggerate what nature has given him," Charles Darwin (1809-1882).

"Nothing makes a woman more beautiful than the belief that she is beautiful." -Sophia Loren
Echokitten wrote:
I'm not sure why the WDT works better than the other Jessicurl condishes as a leave in. It make my hair slick and really silky and oh so soft...My theory is that the others have a more oily consistency, which by trial and error I have found is less desirable for me under gels. They make my curls less clumpy, thinner and stringy. I also have noticed that it helps when I am wetting my hair before cowashing, it has residual detangling properties for me which the SheaM does not.
Did I answer your question or just babble too much? laughing9
First, thanks so much for responding to my post Try not to be too surprised, you are well respected and your advice is thought very highly of on these boards as well Your theory seems to hold a lot of truth for me as far as product lines geared more towards my hair type(3C-4A). I find that product lines like BB and Qhemet are too darn oily and heavy! I've had better luck with the SheaMoisture and the Kiehl's Leave-Ins. They work fabulous for me. UnfortunatelThry, the Kiehl's is so v.ery expensive. I'm trying to find a leave-in that will match it's moisturizing abilities. SheaM. is a heavier version of the Kiehl's leave-in for me. 2X's better than Robert Craig, IMO. The price is also 2X's more expensive per 8 oz. Anyway, are you getting good curl definition and frizz control with the WDT also? BTW-There's no such thing as babbling too much when talking about hair. lol.
Originally Posted by teshon
TY for the props! lol ...........Well, there is something to be said for the fact that I have yet to find a product that can give my 3a hair frizz control and curl definition. I think right now since it's getting colder/drier, I'll settle for moisture over all else. But during the warmer weather the WDT was enough to help out with the frizz, but I think that the air drying-no diffusing was the key. We'll see as to how the SheaM/WDT combo works out with moisture because I already know that it's a super great frizz reducer under a gel.
I think that some of us get too obsessed with using products as is, instead of actually trying to make them work for us. As with the SheaM or whatever, if it's not working for you straight out of the bottle...then try using it a few different ways like diluting, or in sopping wet hair or as a crunch scruncher or whatever. I mean I think that some people don't exhaust all possiblities before giving up on a product or finding new ways to make a product work better. JMHO...
Cincinnati Ohio>>>Coarse protein sensitive 3a, Jessicurl WDT as a leave in, Biotera gel, White Boots, PW= coffeecurls

"Man tries to exaggerate what nature has given him," Charles Darwin (1809-1882).

"Nothing makes a woman more beautiful than the belief that she is beautiful." -Sophia Loren
Echokitten wrote:
I think that some of us get too obsessed with using products as is, instead of actually trying to make them work for us. As with the SheaM or whatever, if it's not working for you straight out of the bottle...then try using it a few different ways like diluting, or in sopping wet hair or as a crunch scruncher or whatever. I mean I think that some people don't exhaust all possiblities before giving up on a product or finding new ways to make a product work better. JMHO...
Thanks for all the words of wisdom, girly! I'm awaiting the arrival of my Jessicurl any day now with the WDT included in my order. Thanks to you, of course. I shall keep you posted on how they work out for me. I know what you mean about really trying to get a product to work for you. Believe me! I don't want to feel like I've wasted any money on a hair product so I try to use it every way imaginable. Some of us know though, upon first use that we will not like a certain product. Like me with the KCCC. Instead of getting rid of that product at that very moment, it is a good idea to store it away for the time being. Revisit it at a later date. This hasn't particularly worked for me. lol. Usually when I hate a product, I simple hate and that's all there is to it. This is just something one might consider. Hey, to those people, I say whatever floats your boat. You like what you like!
3c-4a; Protein Sensitive(forms of wheat, keratin, soy and anything "hydrolyzed"). My hair hates coconut oil and jojoba oil(sometimes).
http://photobucket.com/teshon PW: crazycurls
Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/teshonandfamily
Thanks Echo! And Teshon for starting this post!
Indian girl with full head of very thick curls (3A, 3B and 3C)
CG Routine, protein sensitive

The longer I live the more beautiful life becomes.
-Frank Lloyd Wright
Hey ladies - using the WDT as a leave in is working for me too... also did it as a mistake!

it feels like it "melts" my hair - that's the best way i can explain it. this and a little Knot today to get rid of tangles makes it realy really easy to style (i need to post some pics I took the other day that turned out great)
3b, and increasingly c pieces... my curls will always be a little confused, but that is just fine!
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I started using Jessicurl WDT for a leave-in, too, after reading one of Echokitten's post. It works great for me, too! I was really surprised because my hair is very fine.
KurlyKarenLee

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I finally received my products in the mail yesterday and can't wait to use them today. Echokitten really got me pumped about this. I opened the jar to take a peek yesterday and it looked to me like the WDT and SheaMoisture could possibly be twins! I totally love the Island Fantasy scent. Smells like coconuts to me. My hair really loves the sheabutter in the SheaMoisture and I'm hoping it will love the WDT as a leave-in as well. I'll report back later with my results.

ETA-
I also order the Aloeba and Too Shea! as well. Yesterday was my B-Day and I decided to splurge a little!
3c-4a; Protein Sensitive(forms of wheat, keratin, soy and anything "hydrolyzed"). My hair hates coconut oil and jojoba oil(sometimes).
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Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday dear Teshon, Happy Birthday to you!
2b/3a.
Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday dear Teshon, Happy Birthday to you!
Originally Posted by CurlyinColorado
Aw, thank you for my birthday song That was so sweet. So it's been a few hours and my hair has completely air-dried with the WDT. Here's what I thought about it:

*silky, soft, touchable curls. My hair was so incredibly soft that I would need to layer with a hair gel for hold, unlike with SheaMoisture. That one is an all-in-one for me. I don't need a styler.

*The consistency was more of a light whipped cream vs. the pasty consistency of SheaMoisture. It was a lot easier to rake and smooth through my hair. Great slip!

*It is definitely light enough to be used as a leave-in. My concern now after using the WDT is that the Too Shea! might be a little weak for my thick curls. I would also like to add that I consider AO HSR to be more of a deep conditioning treatment than the WDT. I could see how heat might be necessary when used as a deep treatment to get the full moisturizing effect.

*For me the WDT is the middle man between my Kiehl's Leave-In and SheaMoisture. It is definitely a cheaper fix to my Kiehl's addiction but Kiehl's offers more weight and shine when used as a leave-in.

Overall, I liked it! I also liked the Jessicurl HCC. My hair didn't feel freshly shampooed. I've used many organic, sulfate-free shampoos. None of them compare to this one. I was able to run my fingers through my hair while rinsing. I didn't have any problem getting it to lather up. With other shampoos my hair feels dry and I get that "squeaky clean" feeling. I wish it had a thicker, gel-like consistency but I would still give it two-thumbs up!

Tomorrow I will try the WDT mixed with SheaM. to see if I'll need a hair gel. Thanks Echo! You are a genius, girl!
3c-4a; Protein Sensitive(forms of wheat, keratin, soy and anything "hydrolyzed"). My hair hates coconut oil and jojoba oil(sometimes).
http://photobucket.com/teshon PW: crazycurls
Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/teshonandfamily
I'm not sure why the WDT works better than the other Jessicurl condishes as a leave in. It make my hair slick and really silky and oh so soft...My theory is that the others have a more oily consistency, which by trial and error I have found is less desirable for me under gels. They make my curls less clumpy, thinner and stringy. I also have noticed that it helps when I am wetting my hair before cowashing, it has residual detangling properties for me which the SheaM does not.
Did I answer your question or just babble too much?
Originally Posted by echokitten
Thanks for this idea EK.

I tried the WDT today as a leave-in and it worked amazingly well. My hair felt great, no frizz and the products seemed to work well with it.

I love the SheaM as well, but I think I will try cutting it. Which conditioners do you find mix with SheaM the best?
Type: 3a fine & dense,with normal porosity, terrible product junkie
ROUTINE: LI, enhancer, gel, plop with Curlease towel, serum product (either CIAB or Gel-les'c), clip & diffuse.
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Well, so far...I have used the SheaM with Kinky Curly Knot Today, Jess WDT, Aloeba, Too Shea, and finally with White Boots.
KCKT= pretty good combo, but still a bit too thick for distributing unless hair is sopping wet. But moisturizing and better slip than with SM alone

Jess WDT= This works really well but since it's still on the thicker side I prefer Too Shea to this for easier distribution.

Aloeba= this is the best for really thinning the SM, but the Aloeba is on the oilier side which is why I don't use this one very often as a leave in, results in stringy thin curls. I usually use this strictly as a rinse out.

Too Shea= thins out the SM very well, makes hair soft but not as slick/slippery as the WDT alone. But yet not as oily as the Aloeba/SM combo. So I get acceptable curls with good slip. I like this combo pretty well, it's really a toss up between this and the WDT mostly depending on the way my hair feels after I'm done co/water washing and the weather.

White Boots= I'm still up in the air with this one. Sometimes it works for me sometimes not. It's a bit on the heavy side and the scents IMO clash occasionally because they are both pretty strong. And you really have to be careful to go easy on this because it can get producty and coat the hair shaft. I used this last on a weekend and used just a bit too much and ended up with dull coated hair that looked like I hadn't washed it in a few days. But I used too much, so I re-wet under the tub faucet and replopped and it looked much better.
Cincinnati Ohio>>>Coarse protein sensitive 3a, Jessicurl WDT as a leave in, Biotera gel, White Boots, PW= coffeecurls

"Man tries to exaggerate what nature has given him," Charles Darwin (1809-1882).

"Nothing makes a woman more beautiful than the belief that she is beautiful." -Sophia Loren
Thanks Echo !!

Your answers are always detailed and very helpful !!I'm going to try it with the Too Shea.

You know since I found this site, I can't imagine doing my hair 'alone' again
Type: 3a fine & dense,with normal porosity, terrible product junkie
ROUTINE: LI, enhancer, gel, plop with Curlease towel, serum product (either CIAB or Gel-les'c), clip & diffuse.
Too many favourite products to list ... I finally have my routine that works and alot of products to choose from. My product stash is huge, but well loved !!!
I am glad that I stopped in to read this thread! Awesome and very informative. I had been thinking about the Jessicurl line, but with my thick 3C hair, I was a bit hesitant. I may find something here that I love. I hate an oily product but do need the moisture for my dry locks. And it sounds like Jessicurl may offer this without all the oils.

-Nicki

BTW.....HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY TESHON!!!
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Aloeba= this is the best for really thinning the SM, but the Aloeba is on the oilier side which is why I don't use this one very often as a leave in, results in stringy thin curls. I usually use this strictly as a rinse out.

Too Shea= thins out the SM very well, makes hair soft but not as slick/slippery as the WDT alone. But yet not as oily as the Aloeba/SM combo. So I get acceptable curls with good slip. I like this combo pretty well, it's really a toss up between this and the WDT mostly depending on the way my hair feels after I'm done co/water washing and the weather.
Originally Posted by echokitten
Since trying the WDT, I have doubts about the Too Shea! There's no reason really for me to use any of these to cut SheaMoisture. I like it just fine the way it is but I will try cutting it with Too Shea and Aloeba just for fun. It sounds like I might like the Aloeba and the Too Shea! combos more judging from your experiments. Perhaps by themselves even. I'm finding that my hair can stand a bit more oil since the temp has changed.
3c-4a; Protein Sensitive(forms of wheat, keratin, soy and anything "hydrolyzed"). My hair hates coconut oil and jojoba oil(sometimes).
http://photobucket.com/teshon PW: crazycurls
Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/teshonandfamily
I am glad that I stopped in to read this thread! Awesome and very informative. I had been thinking about the Jessicurl line, but with my thick 3C hair, I was a bit hesitant. I may find something here that I love. I hate an oily product but do need the moisture for my dry locks. And it sounds like Jessicurl may offer this without all the oils.

-Nicki

BTW.....HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY TESHON!!!
Originally Posted by Lovemylocks
Thank You!
3c-4a; Protein Sensitive(forms of wheat, keratin, soy and anything "hydrolyzed"). My hair hates coconut oil and jojoba oil(sometimes).
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Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/teshonandfamily

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