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I contacted them because I noticed that my old 3 minute miracle stated they didn't test on animals. However their new products don't state that. They are owned by Proctor & Gamble(so keep in mind of other brands by them) Here's what they had to say in response to my letter:


Thank you for contacting us regarding our use of animal testing. We
are glad to have the chance to share the facts about our product safety
testing program with you.

P&G has consistently refrained from making claims related to animal
research on our products and packaging, and in keeping with this policy,
we are phasing out that language from our packaging. This does not
represent a change in our research and manufacturing process, but is simply
a matter of making our labels consistent with P&G policy.

We at P&G want to ultimately eliminate the need for all animal testing
of products and ingredients for human use. We have already ended the
use of animals for evaluating the safety of all current non-food,
non-drug product formulations, except where required by regulations OR WHEN
THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE TEST AVAILABLE TO ENSURE HUMAN SAFETY. When
evaluating the safety of foods, drugs, new technologies and
never-before-used ingredients, we always look first to existing safety data and then
to alternatives. A minimal amount of animal research is used only when
we're unable to verify safety any other way -- let us stress that
resorting to animal research is the exception rather than the norm. We'd
rather use alternatives; not only is the use of animals avoided, but
reliable alternatives generally cost less and take less time.

We're committed to the ultimate elimination of animal testing FOR
PRODUCTS INTENDED FOR HUMAN USE. In order to reach this goal, we're doing a
number of things. We've invested almost $160 million in alternatives,
making us an industry leader. We're working with the FDA and
respected animal welfare groups, such as the Humane Society of the United
States, to work on reforming regulations and validating alternative methods
so that we can reach our goal. These are just a couple of our efforts
in the area of alternatives. To learn more, we invite you to visit our
website: http://www.pg.com/science/animal_alt.jhtml

Last edited by marinacurlz; 02-02-2008 at 03:35 PM.
Okay, I've noticed that you capitalized and bolded parts of the statement. They are making a point that they do NOT test on animals UNLESS there is no reasonable alternative available.

If you check out their website, they make hundreds of products! Personally I think it is a little bit tough to make a statement that each and every single product they make in every single division is not tested on animals, so they are choosing not to make such a statement. For cosmetic companies, it is relatively easy to make that claim and to not test on animals.(But you had better make sure that none of the products you use in your stuff has NEVER been tested on animals at any point in the past.) But when your company manufactures thousands of products in all kinds of categories, that's a little harder.

One of their fields is pharmaceuticals. Now, if you
want to be the one to take medications that have not been tested on animals before being tested on humans, be my guest, but I prefer to know that the medications being given to my mother in the aftermath of a stroke HAVE been tested on animals before the clinical trials and before being approved for use on humans. If you want to take that risk, be my guest. But if an absolute and complete moratorium on animal testing is something that you are aiming for in every single product that you put on your mouth or in or on your body, then be prepared for a fight because I will be right there opposing you.

You are just refusing to admit that there are times when animal testing IS necessary because there are absolutely NO alternatives.

This is actually a political discussion as opposed to a general hair discussion

I think that you did an excellent job by including the entire letter that you received from P&G.

Agent, while you are blaming government regulations, be sure and blame these nations as well for animal testing "Specific rules vary from country to country, but in places like the U.S., Japan, and most of the EU safety standards often require animal testing to prove a product’s safety." (the beautybrains.com site)

They should at least get credit for trying! And no, I am not an P&G employee, nor do I have an relatives who work for them. I work for a mining company.
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Last edited by susancnw; 02-02-2008 at 07:40 PM. Reason: removed a line
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Well, I only did the intro...their entire letter started from "Thank you..."(ie their bold typing and Capitals)

I know there must be animal testing for medicinal purposes. I mean when I was a teen I babysat for a man at my church who worked in the labs in Palo Alto, and he told of a time that activists were verbally attacking him and others at a convention and he simply said "Would you rather us give your family medications we have no clue of their side effects, etc?" Their reply was obviously "no."

I just think as far as topical beauty products it's too extreme. Burt's Bees and others seem to do just fine without the need of subjecting animals.

But you're right about it being political....and I just HATE politics.

Agent, while you are blaming government regulations, be sure and blame these nations as well for animal testing "Specific rules vary from country to country, but in places like the U.S., Japan, and most of the EU safety standards often require animal testing to prove a productís safety." (the beautybrains.com site)

They should at least get credit for trying! And no, I am not an P&G employee, nor do I have an relatives who work for them. I work for a mining company.
Originally Posted by susancnw

Yes, I know it varies from country to country. Notice I did not specify any particular government as the sole culprit. Animal testing is largely required because of governmental regulation. That is my point.

If we really want to get into politics, ask me how I feel about governmental consumer safety regulations.
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It is unfair to compare cosmetics being tested on animals with medications being tested on animals. Obviously, medications are necessities but that simply is not the case with any cosmetic. I firmly believe that companies can totally eliminate animal testing on all cosmetics and that eventually this will be true for medications as well. Until then, we could do our part and not buy products that are tested on animals.

We already use many products that are animal-friendly such as Aubrey Organics, Jessicurl, AG Hair Cosmetics, Joico, among others. However, there are many brands many of us use we can cease to purchase, and I am guilty as well, but since researching the matter I've made the decision to eliminate these: Suave, Loreal, Proctor and Gamble (which include Aussie and Herbal Essences), Pantene, and Johnson & Johnson.

I know it is hard to be conscientious of this, and that it is not possible at this time to avoid pharmaceutical companies who test, but we don't have to disregard the issue when there are choices we can make now to avoid unnecessary animal testing.
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I bet we both can give them an earfull! We're their guinea pigs!
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Especially when most items have to start from this planet before they process the heck out of it.Thanks for your input BrandyC, by the way...did you happen to write a comment on Burts Bees website regarding their more moisture shampoo? Or their deep conditioner...can't remember what I saw the name under. If it was you, I've been thinking of trying that.

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