Please help me with clipping.

I can't seem to get the clipping thing right. I've tried Deva clips and metal clips, but I still have a flat top. I used the clip shown on page 43 of Lorraine Massey's CG book and this gave me weird ridges.

I've looked at some threads about clipping, but I still don't get how to actually place the clips. Do you slide them in from front to back (north south) or side to side (east west)?

I'm thinking about paying $65.00 at Devachan for a style appointment so I can watch and learn, but I'd rather save my money.

Thanks in advance for your advice.
I pull up chunks of hair and use 2 clips in a criss-cross fashion to hold up the chunk of hair. I do quite a few of them over the top of my hair so when it's dry I don't just have a few hills here and there and they blend better. That's the way I was shown by one deva trained stylist, although she put a lot more in, even on the side of my hair.

Another deva trained stylist I went to put single clips in near my roots, but I can't master that for some reason....
3B, with some 3C
I didn't get it at all until I went to devachan to see how it worked. I tried to explain it to someone else with no success, and I think you might just need to see it.
I use the short clips (probably 8 of them) and make them stand up (so the opening of the clip is towards the scalp). Crossing them in a sort of X shape will make them stand up better. I scatter them thru my hair, but put most of them on the side w/ most hair (from the part). When its colder out, I'll diffuse the top of my hair with the clips in it so it dries faster with volume.
I hope that helps!
after many attempts i abandoned the duck-bill clips and now i just use a short, wide claw clip (you can get at wal-mart, walgreens, dollar store, probably ANYwhere).

So after my hair is somewhat dry (i do it after diffusing), i just take the hair from the crown of my head make and make a really tall, loose pompadour type deal (it looks silly, but worth it).
Like this


(That picture is almost perfect. So the clip secures it in the back, and i either let it air dry like that if i have time, or diffuse it on low. Sometimes, on particularly flat-rooted days, i'll spray some spray gel on it before diffusing.

Its worth a try!
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Clipping can be pretty difficult. Even now I sometimes still get it wrong. I find that I have the most success when I clip this way:


- Style Hair as Usual
- Slide hands from top of neck under the hair and lightly massage scalp to keep curls from flattening against my head.
- Starting at the back, use deva clips or Mini Claw Clips and take very small sections, just one curl no more (taking too large sections causes the clips to either fall over, leaving no lift, or leave harsh lines and ridges) and clip at the very root of the curl right up on the scalp.
- Continue clipping the roots of curls until you get to the front of your head, being careful not to tangle the clips.
-Wait until hair is completely dry, then remove clips. Take your time! Taking them out too quickly will cause them to get caught in your curls and leave you with frizz.
- Massage scalp lightly again to loosen any odd looking curls.

This leaves me with nice crown height. It's very important not to rush. If I don't have that much time, I will sometimes twist the roots of the top layer of curls to quickly get rid of that flat top triangular look.

HTH
3b with 3a & 3c shoulder length curls.
Mostly CG.
If I don't have that much time, I will sometimes twist the roots of the top layer of curls to quickly get rid of that flat top triangular look.
Can you explain this method? I'm still having problems clipping as well. I think it's because I am always in such a hurry. I am NOT a morning person, so I sleep until the very last possible minute and then have to rush to get to work on time... lol TIA!
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Ok I'll try to explain this as clearly as possible, but let me know if it doesn't make sense. Twisting the roots saves me time because I don't have to walk around with clips in my hair and wait for my hair to dry, I can just twist and go. Plus there's a much smaller chance of tangles! I don't plop so the top of my hair gets really flat, and I get that dreaded east-west triangle effect if I just leave it.

I start with wet or pretty damp hair. Then I begin with the back section and take about a one inch wide by 3 inch long section and hold it straight up ( at a right angle to the top of my head) . I rake through that section with my whole hand, and the hair is then seperated into sections, that have been divided by my fingers. Starting with the bottom small section (the one by my pointer finger) I take each little section and twist the root one or two times then just let it fall back against my head. I continue the sections until I get to the front, where I take more strategic sections so the hair lays nicely around my face.

It sounds complicated, but its pretty easy to do. It doesn't give me quite as much crown height as clipping but it's simpler and easier at times when I'm rushed.

HTH I don't think I did a very good job of explaining it.
3b with 3a & 3c shoulder length curls.
Mostly CG.
The only part I intensely dislike about this whole Curly Girl regimen is the clipping. I cannot get it right. I've tried metal clips placed as pictured in the Curly Girl book and it was a total disaster (plus the instructions are so poor -- it makes me angry every time I try to use that book for clipping assistance). I've tried putting the clips all pointing toward the back of my head, and I've tried putting them all pointing to one side. I've placed them evenly and I've placed them randomly. I have partially dried my hair before placing the clips, and I have placed them right after using my towel. Rarely have I been happy with the results.

When I got my hair cut by a Deva-trained stylist last month, she tried to show me how to put in the clips, but I couldn't get the hang of it -- all it resulted in was handling my hair too much and making it frizz.

I am completely frustrated with this clipping business. Most of the time, my hair looks decent, but the agony I go through with clipping is probably taking years off my life!

Just had to vent. Sorry.
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Well, I tried all the clipping methods suggested here except for twisting the roots without clipping (I'll try that one tomorrow). I either get funny ridges or no volume at all or both. And frizz from fussing with the stupid clips. Maybe it just takes alot of practice.
I guess it does take a lot of practice. I'm willing to put the time in, but sometimes, I question whether there will be a reward....

Another variable in all this is that I'm growing my hair out, so one week, a clipping method may seem to work well, but then my hair grows a bit and that method is no longer a winner. Aaaargh!
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CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
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Don't know if it will help or not, but I think I still have clipping pics in my Fotki. I just put them along my natural part pretty close to the root. Not huge chunks, but enough that they stand up.
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Thanks, ACH. I think that, because my hair is not as thick on top as it used to be, I have to be pretty careful about not creating too much "white space" between my clips -- or I end up with some ugly scalp glimpses when my hair dries.

But thank you -- every photo of what others do *does* help!
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CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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Twitter: nopoojillipoo
I use to not understand clipping at all so I would just take some hairs and throw them over to the other side of my part. I would let my hair dry like that and then bend over and scrunch out any crunch I had and let my hair fall back the way I am going to wear it. That helped me not get the flat head. I still use this now when I dont want to be seen with clips in my hair.
I gave up trying to master the clipping method recommended by the CG book. The one that I have the most success with is just pinching up a piece of hair and clipping it. I do this on the top of my head and on the sides.

I have never been able to figure out how to post a pic in the posting. I can't make up a fotki account, because I'm using a secure network .. UGH .. anyway .. back to my directions !!

Using my index finger and thumb I pinch a piece of hair and gently pull it up. I then clip. I put them in after I diffused and leave them in until I am ready to scrunch out my hair. When my clips are in, it just looks like clumps of hair that bumps up from my head. I find it works really well - particularly around the top back of my head. If I don't clip, I have that flat spot that looks like I'm wearing a beanie cap.

To get volume, I diffuse as much as possible with my head tipped over and to the side. I also don't clip my bangs until after I've diffused them. I put up with them hanging in my face while I diffuse them. I used to clip them away from my face while I dried and they never curled properly.

I like the metal clips best. They aren't inexpensive and they hold my hair much better than the deva clips. The devaclips were useless for my hair. For the area around my face I'll use a small claw clip, just to lift the hair a bit, but I am very careful not to disturb the curl. You have to be careful taking these out, or you end up with a frizzy wonky curl though.
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Go to Youtube and type in Curlisto. About half way through the videos (step 4) they show a clipping technique. This is how I have been clipping my hair lately with good results. My hair is very thin and fine and the long clips don't fall over as much as the small ones. Give it a try.
3a fine, thin, loose curls
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Go to Youtube and type in Curlisto. About half way through the videos (step 4) they show a clipping technique. This is how I have been clipping my hair lately with good results. My hair is very thin and fine and the long clips don't fall over as much as the small ones. Give it a try.
Originally Posted by Cricket
Interesting. Is your hair all one length (or mostly)? Mine is very layered, so the top is somewhat short and when I clip with the big clips, weirdness happens. But I am encouraged that this technique works on thin and fine hair, because although I have a fair amount of hair, it is thin and fine.

Thank you for sharing this!
3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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Go to Youtube and type in Curlisto. About half way through the videos (step 4) they show a clipping technique. This is how I have been clipping my hair lately with good results. My hair is very thin and fine and the long clips don't fall over as much as the small ones. Give it a try.
Originally Posted by Cricket
Interesting. Is your hair all one length (or mostly)? Mine is very layered, so the top is somewhat short and when I clip with the big clips, weirdness happens. But I am encouraged that this technique works on thin and fine hair, because although I have a fair amount of hair, it is thin and fine.

Thank you for sharing this!
Originally Posted by jillipoo
I have a few long layers and my old bangs are to my mouth and then angle down to the bottom. After diffusing, I flip over and slide my hands into the scalp and ruffle the top a little. No lines or crimp marks.
3a fine, thin, loose curls
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I also use the Curlisto clipping method. I use to do the cross over clip one but I get just as good results with this one and its easier. I have very fine thin hair. I also bend over and take my finger to ruffle the top. I sometimes add a little mousse to my fingers this gets rid of the marks for me.

Maybe your putting to much hair in the clips try clipping without grabbing big globs of hair. I sort of just pull the hair up and run the clip through. Its just a thought that might not even be your problems.
As I write this, I am sitting with clips placed per Curlisto. I shall report back in a few hours.
3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


Fotki password: chuckle
Blog: http://jillipoo.blogspot.com/
Twitter: nopoojillipoo
UPDATE: I can see where this Curlisto method would be totally perfect for people with longer hair. It works well! But for me with my layers, the shorter length at on the top of my head creates some oddities once my hair is dry.

I partially dried the top of my hair and then put in the clips, so some curls had already formed. I will try this again tomorrow without partially drying first and see if the curls falls more naturally into some sort of pattern. My problem with how it came out today is that curls are sticking out with no particular direction or pattern.

The quest continues....
3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


Fotki password: chuckle
Blog: http://jillipoo.blogspot.com/
Twitter: nopoojillipoo

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