Really porous hair

Do any of you have this? I know that all curly hair is porous by nature, but if you know (or are pretty sure) that yours truly sucks up anything that comes near it and yet seems to have a relentless appetite, I'd love to hear what you do to combat it. Is this "treatable" or is it just a fact of life that we have to accept?

I was reading this thread but it didn't tell me anything beyond the definition.
3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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I totally have this. It doesn't seem so much a liability to me. I use it to my advantage — I can refresh my hair by adding product on day 2, 3, 4, etc. Where others would get weighed down, I don't because my hair is a SPONGE.

ETA: I've always done vinegar rinses; I wonder if that's key for porous hair?
Mine was fixed by magical henna fairies.

But... since not everyone enjoys looking like Ronald McDonald...

Here's what I think causes or increases porosity.

- The state of being curly, as you already mentioned
- Ammonia, peroxide
- Bleach (worst)
- Probably permanent retexturizing chemicals, though I've never used any. Whether the intent is to make hair straighter or curlier.
- Heat styling
- Physical manipulation including brushing, sleeping on pillow, probably even just touching it or having it touch the fabric of clothing on shoulders

Here are things I think can possibly help, though they may be temporary:

- Hardcore protein treatments if your hair can take them. Always follow with moisture.
- Cold vinegar rinse. Very temporary

Like many things, I think prevention is the real cure. If we're as gentle as possible with it, the scales won't get knocked off and holes poked in the first place, which is the best option. And, everyone has to pick their own battles. I got rid of brushing, bleaching, ammonaing and peroxiding, but the heat styling monkey might be on my back for the forseeable future.
I'm very confused over the issue of porosity. I believe my hair fits all the definitions of porous, apart from one - the ability to soak up conditioners. Which is a total contradiction.

It's very dry and feels rough and straw-like on the ends. When I run my fingers down an individual hair it feels rough and knobbly (both when wet and dry). It's damaged by years of chemical colouring, and by years of straightening with GHDS on a daily basis, sometimes up to four times a day. And it gets very frizzy in humidity. It takes colour very easily, and it picks up scents from the air that stay in my hair. But I guess it can't be porous if it doesn't absorb what I put onto it? I'm sure I don't have build-up because I clarify regularly and use ACV a lot.

Sorry - this isn't really what you were asking. I've no answer to the soaking-up problem!
jillipoo, I have coarse hair, so if I run one hair thought my fingers, it goes from thin to super thick, to super thin and woobly. My hair has been soaking up all I give it, so I decided to forget about amounts of conditioning and just went for the seaweed feel every time I condition (I am stricly CG), and I use a 50/50 mix of honey and too shea or WDT. I have just below shoulder lenght hair, and I use probably 1/4 cup of this mix, maybe more.

I can tell you that I have been noticing I need slightly less each time! At first I actually had to use more co that that, now I have up to 1 tsp left and my hair won't soak up any more. I always do ACV rinses with colder water. So, maybe it's something that can be fixed. I have been mixing the leftover with LOOB and TW and using that in my hair, which gave me out of bed and no styling 2nd day hair which was better than the first

Good luck on your search
2c/3a - Miii - Coarse - Low porosity I think

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low-poo, 20/80 honey and JC TS, ACV rinse, honey and TW

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I think I have porous hair, too. My hair is coarse with some medium hairs in there, and the coarse ones are really bumpy. It soaks up lots of conditioner and products. My hair also takes a long time to air dry even after squeezing out as much water as possible.

It puzzles me because the only heat styling I do is diffusing (either on cool air or alternating between high heat and cool) and rarely straighten. Sometimes I think my virgin hair should act more well-behaved, but I suppose it's just an issue of dryness. I don't DT as much as I should, so that might be a good remedy.

That probably wasn't helpful but just saying I know what you mean.
2a/M-C/ii hair. Super long.
I'd say I have a porosity problem with my hair. At one point the hairstrands sunk to the bottom of the water glass but with consistent faithful DTs(some protein and some moisturizing) the strands finally floated in the water(months of DTs). Now they are not doing so good again(been DTing since Dec). I am growing out a Rusk Anticurl from a yr ago which is almost gone(my hair grows fast) and I had a semi permanent hair color in Dec which is "still" in my hair and I am a poo'er....so that right there tells me that I have a porosity problem. However, my hair doesn't suck up alot of product or conditioner which confuses me. My hair takes a very long time to dry and I have been told it holds onto alot of water.
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
My hair is porous due to, I'm sure, the fact that I get it colored and I use a diffuser on an almost daily basis. My hair doesn't, however, soak up conditioners & products; I have to be very careful how much of these things I apply or my hair will beccome very weighed down and producty. Sometimes I think I'm too careful with the conditioners, though, because my hair does need moisture. I have been making it a point to do a DT at least once a week and this does help my hair bounce back up better. I also have to shampoo (though really trying not to do it as often -- have just decided to incorporate more co-washing back into my routine to try & up the moisture content) because I get buildup VERY easily, even when using only CG products.
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My hair soaks up oil, conditioner, shampoo, and everything else it sees. I can't have too much protein. I color, so that's probably a factor, but other than that, I've been a good girl. I just have coarse hair.
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It's interesting that you've pretty much all said that the only thing your hair doesn't drink up is conditioner. I wonder what that means?

According to the (pretty scant) information on the Internet about this problem, several things are recommended:

- humectants
- conditioners with a high percentage of essential fatty acids
- acidic rinses

Humectants make my hair blow up like a puffer fish. I know that glycerine does this to me, but I wonder if honey would have the same effect? I really must try mixing some in conditioner to see how it reacts with my hair.

RE: Acidic rinses. How often is too often to pour vinegar on one's head? I've heard that more than once a week is inadvisable, but maybe for people who need help closing their cuticles, it would be a good idea. Anybody have thoughts on this? And I wonder whether mixing lemon in conditioner would be something worth doing more regularly as well. Maybe alternate the vinegar with the lemon?

RiotCrrl, I'm going to keep using the cassia you recommended earlier and also, I will get a good protein treatment (I've heard Nexxus Emergencee is supposed to be fabulous). I think all the talk on these boards about people being protein-sensitive has scared me away from protein, but maybe I actually need it.

GettinControl, what is that business about putting hair in a water glass? Is that a good way of determining how much water your hair will hold? Seems like a cool experiment. The idea is that porous hair will absorb so much water that it can't float?
3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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Jillipoo,
I read it somewhere online that if the hairstrand sinks in less than a min or two, that it is porous. The sooner hairstrands sink the more porous and if one part of the strand sinks then there is a spotty porosity problem that isn't uncommon. Hair that wets easily is porous and hair that takes some time to get fully wet is less porous. Hair that is porous dries very quickly especially the ends. That's info I wrote down from a site and when I find it I will post the link.

I can remember having to use a TON of conditioner and product when I had hilighting done many yrs ago. I also remember my hair drying very quick and it didn't retain moisture. My hair hated the hilighting when done several times...once wasn't too bad but repetive even just two more times wasn't so good for my hair.
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
To determine whether or not your hair is overly porous:

-does your hair continuously soak in moisture without ever actually feeling moisturized.

-is your hair chronically dry despite your best conditioning efforts

-does your hair appear/feel puffy, frizzy, swollen, or tough to the touch

-does your hair have a natural reddish cast to it that is usually more pronounced in spring and summer

-does your hair hold styles and curl well

If yes to any of the above and these characteristics appear more pronounced towards the ends of your hair you may have a problen w/your hair's porosity level.

All hair is naturally porous and permeable. Too much porosity reduces the hair's ability to retain moisture, move well, and fight breakage. Though porous hair feels dry it can absorb lots and lots of water. Normal hair can absorb about 30% of it's own weight in water. Extremely porous hair can absorb up to 40-50% of it's own weight in water. The more porous the hair the more water or moisture it tends to absorb.....Think of a sponge when the sponge is fresh and new it is able to absorb a good amount of water and hold the moisture inside very well. As the sponge ages the pores become distorted , the fabric of the sponge is weaker and it begins to lose it's shape, because the old sponge cannot hold the amount of water it once could, it is said to be more porous or have higher porosity than the new sponge. The constant lifting and closing of the cuticle layers overtime through pooing, conding, and chemicals increase the overall porosity of the hair. The ends are the most porous because the cuticle layers in this region have simply been opening and closing the longest.
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
It suggested "light" protein conditioning such as Kenra Moisturizing Cond. The protein fills in the gaps, binds to damaged places and mends individual exterior scales along the cuticle. Not to get too excited w/the protein cuz this can make the hair even drier but light protein being good for shoring up the cuticle w/out leaving the hair too crunchy. Also, nothing can permanently repair the hair that is damaged etc but treatments can go a long way for shoring up the weak spots and temporariy managing problems.

Also, it suggested acidic rinses but didn't say how often, just mentioned to use it as a final rinse after pooing & conding. ACV rinses should never make the hair feel hard or tangly if so mixture needs to be diluted w/more water.
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
GettinControl, thank you SO much for this information! I'm going to go put a strand of my hair in water right now....
3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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Blog: http://jillipoo.blogspot.com/
Twitter: nopoojillipoo
You are very welcome! Here's a little more info:

Extremely porous hair can absorb up to 40-50% of its weight in water. The more porous the hair the more water or moisture it tends to absorb-seems great right-not quite. There are 2 downsides to high level of water absorption in hair with high porosity. High levels of moisture loss are also experienced over time. Highly porous hair absorbs more water when wet but loses even more when it dries. The moisture loss is a result of a shoddy cuticle layer barrier. Water flows in and flows right on out just as easily. The cuticles are so lifted or damaged that they cannot adequately hold the moisture inside. This is why when porous hair is fully dried it feels swollen, puffy, and rough to the touch.

Hair lengthens as it absorbs water. The more water the hair absorbs the more the hair will have to accomodate the water. Once the hair is stretched beyond its comfortable limit of roughly 30% it grows weaker and weaker. If this process occurs too frequently, damage to the cuticle layer ensues, cortical damage follows, then the hair eventually breaks under stress. This is why it is also not advisable to keep the hair in a perpetual state of dampness. Moisture is beneficial to the hair but too much moisture will damage and place stress on it.

The issues of individual scale damage and raised cuticles are primary issues associated w/porous hair. If you can somehow patch the scale damage and close these cuticles even a little, you will resolve a majority of your hair's porosity issues.

In a normal undamaged hairshaft, very little water can get either into or out of the cortex. This is because the cuticle covering the cortex is intact, and is almost but not quite waterproof.

When hair becomes increasingly porous water can then pass in and out of the cortex.
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
Continued:

Protein fills in gaps, binds to damaged places, and mends individual exterior scales along the cuticle.

Regular protein conditioning improves the hair's porosity by reinforcing the cuticle layers and allows the hairshaft to better hold on to the moisture it is given.

Products w/wheat protein, like Kenra Moisturizing Cond are good for shoring up the cuticle without leaving the hair too crunchy.

This site was geared towards dry/damaged porous hair. But I myself found alot of this info to be very helpful and useful. Again it doesn't suggest heavy load protein but light protein. Oh, and for the ACV rinses it mentioned once a wk. That's about all the info I got from the site when I did a search for correcting porosity. Hope it is useful to anyone here!
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
Oh, and incase I didn't include all the info here is the site, I finally found it:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ed.html?page=3
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
you guys are awesome!

once i have a braincell (long day at work) i'm going to re-read and start implementing.

has anyone used the Kenra co? like it or hate it? i think msgiblet and i have very similar hair, mine can't take much in the way of conditioning either. if you have used the Kenra, is it very light?
My hair is porous and fine. I color it (no-ammonia or peroxide) which doesn't help but I'm not ready for the white hair.

I can use protein, and I'm hoping my clay hair masks will help as well. And I have to use a leave-in, it's a must.

The benefit to this is my hair can absorb a little more moisturizing product each day without being re-wet.
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I've used the Kenra Moist Cond recently and in the past and it seems to be okay. I always rinsed it out pretty thoroughly and never left it in. According to Laurabeth's Cond Review I think she mentioned it providing good moisture, excellent detangler, and curl boosting. It does have hydrolyzed wheat protein. I found I didn't have to use alot of it to do the job. However, if I was to use it over and over all the time I think the protein would get to me and leave me on the dry brillo side.
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal

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