My real hair was hiding. *Pics added*

Okay. Last night I just couldn't stand it anymore! I borrowed my daughter's shampoo, Tigi Catwalk Oatmeal and Honey. I know it has ammonium laureth sulfate, but I was experiencing some serious build-up. My hair hates protein and I seem to have an aversion to polyquats. I have been sulfate and 'cone free since January, so shampooing was a desperate measure on my part.

I shampooed, conditioned with Jessicurl Too Shea, rinsed. Once out of the shower I squeezed out lots of water, applied a pea size of Too Shea, plopped for 30 minutes and let air dry. OMG! I think I am officially in the 3a camp now. My hair is soft with little ringlets and shinier than it has been in a long time.

This experience has caused me to reconsider my routine and all the new products I have been experimenting with. If I can have such beautiful, soft curls without any curl creams, gels or sprays, I can ditch a lot of products crowding my bathroom cabinet. I slept without pineappling and the ringlets held up. All I did this morning was a light mist of water and scrunched a little.

The thing is, I always considered my hair to be more 2c with a little 3a. My husband was so impressed he took some pics last night. I will post them as soon as we figure the best way to do that. We don't have a pic sharing site, so they may be thumbnails.

I feel that in my quest for "perfect" hair, I was way overdoing the products. I am now convinced that the less I use, the more my real curl pattern is able to show through. Granted, I need to give this a test run for at least a week to see if my theory proves true. But, for right now my hair feels light, soft, curly, bouncy and just authentic.

Has anyone else had success with the less is best approach?
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Last edited by misspam; 05-14-2008 at 06:19 PM. Reason: Added Pics
Okay. Last night I just couldn't stand it anymore! I borrowed my daughter's shampoo, Tigi Catwalk Oatmeal and Honey. I know it has ammonium laureth sulfate, but I was experiencing some serious build-up. My hair hates protein and I seem to have an aversion to polyquats. I have been sulfate and 'cone free since January, so shampooing was a desperate measure on my part.

I shampooed, conditioned with Jessicurl Too Shea, rinsed. Once out of the shower I squeezed out lots of water, applied a pea size of Too Shea, plopped for 30 minutes and let air dry. OMG! I think I am officially in the 3a camp now. My hair is soft with little ringlets and shinier than it has been in a long time.

This experience has caused me to reconsider my routine and all the new products I have been experimenting with. If I can have such beautiful, soft curls without any curl creams, gels or sprays, I can ditch a lot of products crowding my bathroom cabinet. I slept without pineappling and the ringlets held up. All I did this morning was a light mist of water and scrunched a little.

The thing is, I always considered my hair to be more 2c with a little 3a. My husband was so impressed he took some pics last night. I will post them as soon as we figure the best way to do that. We don't have a pic sharing site, so they may be thumbnails.

I feel that in my quest for "perfect" hair, I was way overdoing the products. I am now convinced that the less I use, the more my real curl pattern is able to show through. Granted, I need to give this a test run for at least a week to see if my theory proves true. But, for right now my hair feels light, soft, curly, bouncy and just authentic.

Has anyone else had success with the less is best approach?
Originally Posted by misspam
Totally agree about overdoing products - I'm amazed at how many people put a pea size of this, and a small dolop of that, and mix so many products together and sometimes get good results, other times poor ones. I can't do that, however the pineapple thing is to me amazing - has helped me sleep as not only don't have hair in my face all night, but get great volume the next day - I actually get better 2nd hair day sometimes than first hair day!
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Wow lucky you. I wonder if it was the sulfate that helps bring your curls back. I used to condition everyday with Lush coconut which has a lot of laurel sulfate in, since going cg I no longer have a dry itchy scalp so I think I may be allergic to that ingredient, so I would say look out for that (but I could be wrong). I love trying out new products but so far I haven't had an amazing transformation since going cg, I just like that my hair is healthier. Pls post pics!
Notty- You have the most beautiful curls, simply amazing! There are a few ladies here who have the kind of hair I would kill for and you are one of them. I love your pics from your experience with Jonathan Torch. He did a fabulous job.
Wow lucky you. I wonder if it was the sulfate that helps bring your curls back. I used to condition everyday with Lush coconut which has a lot of laurel sulfate in, since going cg I no longer have a dry itchy scalp so I think I may be allergic to that ingredient, so I would say look out for that (but I could be wrong). I love trying out new products but so far I haven't had an amazing transformation since going cg, I just like that my hair is healthier. Pls post pics!
Originally Posted by kat180
Thanks. I'm not so sure it it was luck so much as stumbling a** backwards into a solution. You don't know how hard it was for me to resort to sulfates to fix the problem. I tried a baking soda rinse and an acv rinse and neither one gave me relief. I was convinced the sulfates would pull out my curl and give me straw head but I think the shampoo I used was fairly mild because my hair is really soft.

For the past couple of weeks I have tried 3 new products:

Naturelle Hypo-Allergenic Styling Gel
Mop-c Curl Defining Cream
Biolage Gelee

The only thing these 3 products have in common is they each contain polyquats. I know some folks are able to remove polyquats with a sulfate free shampoo, but my experience has been different.

I'm hoping to post the pics tonight. My hubby is the computer genius so I need his expertise.

btw -You have beautiful curls, and very shiny hair!
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Wow lucky you. I wonder if it was the sulfate that helps bring your curls back. I used to condition everyday with Lush coconut which has a lot of laurel sulfate in, since going cg I no longer have a dry itchy scalp so I think I may be allergic to that ingredient, so I would say look out for that (but I could be wrong). I love trying out new products but so far I haven't had an amazing transformation since going cg, I just like that my hair is healthier. Pls post pics!
Originally Posted by kat180
Thanks. I'm not so sure it it was luck so much as stumbling a** backwards into a solution. You don't know how hard it was for me to resort to sulfates to fix the problem. I tried a baking soda rinse and an acv rinse and neither one gave me relief. I was convinced the sulfates would pull out my curl and give me straw head but I think the shampoo I used was fairly mild because my hair is really soft.

For the past couple of weeks I have tried 3 new products:

Naturelle Hypo-Allergenic Styling Gel
Mop-c Curl Defining Cream
Biolage Gelee

The only thing these 3 products have in common is they each contain polyquats. I know some folks are able to remove polyquats with a sulfate free shampoo, but my experience has been different.

I'm hoping to post the pics tonight. My hubby is the computer genius so I need his expertise.

btw -You have beautiful curls, and very shiny hair!
Originally Posted by misspam
Your hair looks fantastic! I think people should do what works for them, regardless if it is CG or not and obviously your routine worked! That's awesome!

I think you are on to something with the polyquats. My hair sounds like yours and like your hair, it can't be removed either. I am experimenting with the same poo you used and am thinking it is giving me ever prettier, more defined and spiraled curls than any other method I have done.

Thanks for bringing that to light for me, seriously, this has been a light bulb moment for me!

And I just have to add, I LOVE the sweet picture of your cat!! SOOOO cute!

Last edited by need_hair_repair; 05-14-2008 at 07:22 PM.
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Originally Posted by misspam
You look great! I am envious of how good your ends look too. Yay!
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Notty- You have the most beautiful curls, simply amazing! There are a few ladies here who have the kind of hair I would kill for and you are one of them. I love your pics from your experience with Jonathan Torch. He did a fabulous job.
Originally Posted by misspam
Thank you so much - for so much of my life - I hated, really hated my hair - it frizzed up when I straightened it, frizzed up when I went out in the summer. Winter was my favourite season (I'm Canadian so that will tell you how aawful my hair was). Finally decided what the heck and must admit I think (sometimes not sure) I'm a happy camper - but you have just made my day.........week.......month!!!:icescre am:
between Botticelli & Corkscrew curly-very thick, coarse hair
http://public.fotki.com/notty6



When I get to be 'Queen of the World', I will absolish WIND!!!
Wow lucky you. I wonder if it was the sulfate that helps bring your curls back. I used to condition everyday with Lush coconut which has a lot of laurel sulfate in, since going cg I no longer have a dry itchy scalp so I think I may be allergic to that ingredient, so I would say look out for that (but I could be wrong). I love trying out new products but so far I haven't had an amazing transformation since going cg, I just like that my hair is healthier. Pls post pics!
Originally Posted by kat180
Thanks. I'm not so sure it it was luck so much as stumbling a** backwards into a solution. You don't know how hard it was for me to resort to sulfates to fix the problem. I tried a baking soda rinse and an acv rinse and neither one gave me relief. I was convinced the sulfates would pull out my curl and give me straw head but I think the shampoo I used was fairly mild because my hair is really soft.

For the past couple of weeks I have tried 3 new products:

Naturelle Hypo-Allergenic Styling Gel
Mop-c Curl Defining Cream
Biolage Gelee

The only thing these 3 products have in common is they each contain polyquats. I know some folks are able to remove polyquats with a sulfate free shampoo, but my experience has been different.

I'm hoping to post the pics tonight. My hubby is the computer genius so I need his expertise.

btw -You have beautiful curls, and very shiny hair!
Originally Posted by misspam
Your hair looks fantastic! I think people should do what works for them, regardless if it is CG or not and obviously your routine worked! That's awesome!

I think you are on to something with the polyquats. My hair sounds like yours and like your hair, it can't be removed either. I am experimenting with the same poo you used and am thinking it is giving me ever prettier, more defined and spiraled curls than any other method I have done.

Thanks for bringing that to light for me, seriously, this has been a light bulb moment for me!

And I just have to add, I LOVE the sweet picture of your cat!! SOOOO cute!
Originally Posted by need_hair_repair
Thanks so much for complimenting Mr. Ferguson. He came to us as a stray 8 years ago and he truly is a jewel!

Yeah, about those evil polyquats...it's just another ingredient I have to watch out for now. Don't I have enough no-nos already? I even found a couple more products I had to toss out. I'm trying not to add up all the $$$ I apparently wasted.

You're sweet to compliment my hair. Honestly, I still can't believe I got that kind of volume and many spirals with absolutely no styling products. I plan on doing the same routine tomorrow and we'll see if the magic can last!
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Awww well you're welcome! That volume I would KILL for (well not seriously but you know what I mean! )

I hope it works for you tomorrow too and keep us posted on your progress!

Love the name for your cat...it suits him
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Originally Posted by misspam
You look great! I am envious of how good your ends look too. Yay!
Originally Posted by LoloDSM
Aww Lolo, aren't you sweet. Thanks!
I have to say I was a bit creeped out by your picture because I swear I am looking at my hair. I even called DH in and said, "Look at this picture." Even though your hair is cut a little different, he didn't believe me that it wasn't me until I showed him your post. You even have the same color wall with the white chair rail! LOL

Although, I have to say mine doesn't look that good without products LOL. I did no products today too, but I'm too afraid to look at the pictures.

Last edited by Kitara; 05-14-2008 at 08:15 PM.
COngrats! I'm glad that it worked out for you!

Does the protein in the TooShea get to you if you overuse it?

I read about lots of curlies here who can't handle polyquats or who can only handle certain ones. Their is even a separate thread for them.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

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It looks nice! I have recently found out that less is more too! I only use RC's Conditioner as rinse-out and as a leave-in, then layer CK over that. That's all!

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I have to say I was a bit creeped out by your picture because I swear I am looking at my hair. I even called DH in and said, "Look at this picture." Even though your hair is cut a little different, he didn't believe me that it wasn't me until I showed him your post. You even have the same color wall with the white chair rail! LOL

Although, I have to say mine doesn't look that good without products LOL. I did no products today too, but I'm too afraid to look at the pictures.
Originally Posted by Kitara
OMG. That is funny, in a creepy kinda way. You have awesome hair! More shine than I will ever have. Very beautiful.
COngrats! I'm glad that it worked out for you!

Does the protein in the TooShea get to you if you overuse it?

I read about lots of curlies here who can't handle polyquats or who can only handle certain ones. Their is even a separate thread for them.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
I am very protein sensitive, but the oat protein is one I can handle. I wonder if it is a weaker protein?! The ones that really dry out my hair are wheat and soy proteins, not sure yet if silk proteins are a problem though. I wish there were some kind of chart ranking proteins, that would be a big help.

I really love all my Jessicurl products. They consistently give me good hair without all the ingredients I have discovered are horrible for my hair. She makes awesome products, so why do I think I need to try all these other ones? I just can't leave well enough alone. I guess I am a PJ in denial, right?
COngrats! I'm glad that it worked out for you!

Does the protein in the TooShea get to you if you overuse it?

I read about lots of curlies here who can't handle polyquats or who can only handle certain ones. Their is even a separate thread for them.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
I am very protein sensitive, but the oat protein is one I can handle. I wonder if it is a weaker protein?! The ones that really dry out my hair are wheat and soy proteins, not sure yet if silk proteins are a problem though. I wish there were some kind of chart ranking proteins, that would be a big help.

I really love all my Jessicurl products. They consistently give me good hair without all the ingredients I have discovered are horrible for my hair. She makes awesome products, so why do I think I need to try all these other ones? I just can't leave well enough alone. I guess I am a PJ in denial, right?
Originally Posted by misspam
I understand what you mean about the PJ thing. I have a good routine, but I still think it's fun to play with stuff, which seems silly because I always come back to my routine.

Yes, I'd like to see some sort of ranking chart too! I do think, from reading here, that wheat will bother people more than others and that oats and silk are less bothersome.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
{{{WARNING}}} This post contains shameless boasting.

Okay you fellow curlies. I honestly do not want to sound like I am tooting my own horn, but I am so floored by what is happening to my hair. In a good way, that is.

This is my third day of the less is more approach. This morning I water washed, applied AOHR, let it sit while I finished shaving, etc.. Rinsed completely, squeezed out a fair amount of water with my flour sack towel (I'm lovin those!). Lightly raked through a pea size of Too Shea, scrunched, plopped with same flour sack towel for 30 min. I diffused upside down for 5 min. and let air dry the rest of the way.

I absolutely do not recognize the hair that is on my head. More ringlets, more definition, and ringlets that begin at my scalp!!!! I have never seen this before. And my hair is soft, soft, soft. All righty...done bragging.

I think I am definitely on to something here. More importantly, if somebody else can learn from this and it helps them discover their "real" hair, I will be so happy. I do realize that what works for me will not necessarily work for everyone, but I just wanted to share my good fortune and spread the luv!!
Toot away. It's gratifying to find something that can work consistently.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.

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