Cyclomethicone

Cyclomethicone IS cyclopentasiloxane, and also cyclotetrasiloxane (just a smaller molecule). It's just another name for the same thing! Neither will build up on your hair, although they are not water soluble. The reason for this is that they evaporate. They do not remain on your hair. You need nothing to remove them because they do not remain on your hair. I know I have addressed this in an article, but it is still a huge point of confusion for folks.

The reason some find it makes their hair feel bad is that when it evaporates it can make your hair a tad dry and maybe mess with your cuticle layer a bit, just like alcohols that evaporate.

Also, according to all the research I have seen, all of the silicones can be removed just as efficiently by products containing cocamidopropyl betaine or coco betaine as by SLS or SLES.
Originally Posted by Swirlycurly Chemist
Totally fascinating. It renders half of what we talk about on this board entirely moot!

So, then, what do you think of the "ranking" of silicones in this article: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curly-...p-on-silicones
Originally Posted by jillipoo
I agree that it is totally fascinating. BUT if cyclomethicone, cyclopentasiloxane and cyclotetrasiloxane are the same thing, then why are they listed separately on ingredient lists? Every time I think I finally have a grip on something, I'm thrown right back into the ocean of confusion again! I don't see any reason anymore to avoid any cones if this is the case, especially since I still shampoo anyway.
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No kidding! Because some of the most beautiful curly/wavy heads I know use Pantene! I mean their hair is soft, shiny, gorgeous and every time I ask I kept dreading the word "Pantene" but they all happen to use it.
I miss shampooing my hair. But I can't find anything that doesn't strip my hair! What do you use MG? I use that abbreviation otherwise you'd be MSG!(Sorry, it's 7:30 right now-long day at work yesterday!)
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Current products-
Co-wash: Suave/Vo5/TJ Refresh
Rinse out & Leave in: Suave Tropical Coconut/Garnier Triple Nutrition
Gel: Herbal Essences Set Me Up/Aussie Tizz No Frizz
No kidding! Because some of the most beautiful curly/wavy heads I know use Pantene! I mean their hair is soft, shiny, gorgeous and every time I ask I kept dreading the word "Pantene" but they all happen to use it.
I miss shampooing my hair. But I can't find anything that doesn't strip my hair! What do you use MG? I use that abbreviation otherwise you'd be MSG!(Sorry, it's 7:30 right now-long day at work yesterday!)
Originally Posted by marinacurlz
This is funny because even before I found this site and didn't worry too much about what I used on my hair as long as I liked it, Pantene was one, and is still one, product I would never use. No reason other than anything from that brand always makes my hair feel like crap!! I didn't know anything about ingredients then -- all I knew was my hair hated it.

Right now I've been using Innersense Color Awakening Hair Bath & Innersense Color Radiance Conditioner, which has coco....betaine. I do try to use low- or sulfate-free poos most of the time. When I feel like I want a sulfate, I've been liking Tigi Dumb Blonde poo & for clarifying I like Nexxus Aloe Rid the best as well as Ouidad Clear & Gentle (or something like that).
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They might be in the same family, but still I find cyclopentasiloxane to be horrible for my hair...it frizzes it like nobody's business.
Cyclomethicone, maybe because the molecules are larger, doesn't have that effect on me.
Perhaps the cyclopentasiloxane's molecules are smaller, ruffles up the cuticles more...but I also feel like it takes more of a clarifying shampoo to get out cyclopentasiloxane but not so much the cyclomethicone.
Again, it could be that it just "feels" like it's in there because of the ruffed up cuticle...whereas the cyclomethicone evaporates without doing that to me.
Maybe???

Good to know that we don't really need a sulfate to wash all of this off. I still think it's a good idea to use a sulfate or some other form of clarifying (baking soda or ACV???) occasionally to get out the gunk, whether it be cones (maybe an overload of them??), waxes, hard water/mineral deposits, etc.
That's right, I said it! I wear scrunchies!!

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Yeah, I used to be a big Aussie fan when I had straight hair. Then as I became curly it didn't really work(old formula with xane) and last year when I used their products I believe they have dimethicone or amodimethicone my hair actually liked the Moist Shampoo and Conditioner with the leave-in in the pump and tizz no frizz.

With styling aids it's obvious what my hair likes but as far as cleansing/conditioning...I have no idea.
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Current products-
Co-wash: Suave/Vo5/TJ Refresh
Rinse out & Leave in: Suave Tropical Coconut/Garnier Triple Nutrition
Gel: Herbal Essences Set Me Up/Aussie Tizz No Frizz
Does this mean that ingredients like...
Octamethylcyclotetrasiloxane
Decamethylcyclotetrasiloxane
Hexamethylcyclotrisiloxane

are cowashable??

Because they give me such incredible, unimaginable shine.
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Avoids: Sulphates, Silicones, Protein, Mineral oil, Petroleum, Polyquaternium, Sodium/Magnesium, Heat
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Does this mean that ingredients like...
Octamethylcyclotetrasiloxane
Decamethylcyclotetrasiloxane
Hexamethylcyclotrisiloxane

are cowashable??

Because they give me such incredible, unimaginable shine.
Originally Posted by aaa00a
What in the world? Where did you find these?
wow! There's a whole family of -xanes, eh?
Just when I thought I couldn't handle -xanes...maybe I just can't handle one kind of -xane...maybe I can handle the others? or maybe I cannot. Ah, the inner PJ sees endless possibilities...LOL
That's right, I said it! I wear scrunchies!!

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It's some of the ingredients in a fav product of mine that I used to use all the time before finding this site a year ago. Although it's supposed to zap frizz, I find it doesn't really do that for me, but it really gives shine like I've never seen before in any other product.
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Avoids: Sulphates, Silicones, Protein, Mineral oil, Petroleum, Polyquaternium, Sodium/Magnesium, Heat
Mod-CG since June 2007
Cyclomethicone IS cyclopentasiloxane, and also cyclotetrasiloxane (just a smaller molecule). It's just another name for the same thing! Neither will build up on your hair, although they are not water soluble. The reason for this is that they evaporate. They do not remain on your hair. You need nothing to remove them because they do not remain on your hair. I know I have addressed this in an article, but it is still a huge point of confusion for folks.

The reason some find it makes their hair feel bad is that when it evaporates it can make your hair a tad dry and maybe mess with your cuticle layer a bit, just like alcohols that evaporate.

Also, according to all the research I have seen, all of the silicones can be removed just as efficiently by products containing cocamidopropyl betaine or coco betaine as by SLS or SLES.
Originally Posted by Swirlycurly Chemist
Totally fascinating. It renders half of what we talk about on this board entirely moot!

So, then, what do you think of the "ranking" of silicones in this article: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curly-...p-on-silicones
Originally Posted by jillipoo
UNBELIEVABLE CG HANDBOOK CLEARLY STATES THE OPPOSITE about the evil XANE!!!!!!!!!
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Last edited by DEL2C; 04-05-2009 at 05:54 PM.
DEL2C, it's so funny that you posted about this, because just this morning, I saw a recent Beauty Brains post about how Cyclomethicone evaporates on the hair. Was going to post and then decided I was too tired!

But isn't that interesting that the CG book lists it. What page did you find that on?
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DEL2C, it's so funny that you posted about this, because just this morning, I saw a recent Beauty Brains post about how Cyclomethicone evaporates on the hair. Was going to post and then decided I was too tired!

But isn't that interesting that the CG book lists it. What page did you find that on?
Originally Posted by jillipoo
AAAAAAAAAACKKKKK!!! pg. 49 does not talk about Xanes it says to avoid conditioners that end in CONE. The reason being that Cones weigh down hair but it's not discussed that anything is required to remove them or that they are harmful to our hair. So how did this start then? This whole theory about needing sulphates to remove Cones?? I guess since the book says to avoid CONES then there would no reason to discuss how to remove them.........Thank Goodness for the Curly Chemist Articles although it seems we've been rather Slow catching up to her info.


BTW-I'm not trying to "Stir things up" about the CG book or DEVA
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Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

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My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


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LOL!!! DEL2C, you kill me!
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CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
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DEL, if you want to stir things up regarding Deva, I'll be behind you 100%! I'm getting kind of into this whole fight-the-power thing. Let's rage against the (Deva) machine! Curly salute!!

So then, what have we determiend?

Xanes aren't so bad? And cones?

ARg, I'm confused...

I'm starting to love my hair

WARNING: I come with spelling errors.

Loving the IceQueen Method

The biggest fight that we will never win, is the one with out hair.

No kidding! Because some of the most beautiful curly/wavy heads I know use Pantene! I mean their hair is soft, shiny, gorgeous and every time I ask I kept dreading the word "Pantene" but they all happen to use it.
I miss shampooing my hair. But I can't find anything that doesn't strip my hair! What do you use MG? I use that abbreviation otherwise you'd be MSG!(Sorry, it's 7:30 right now-long day at work yesterday!)
Originally Posted by marinacurlz
Yes, you are correct. I noticed that too. Alot of my friends that use Pantene have glossy gorgeous curls. When I used it, it actually worked great on my hair, but I stopped because it just gave me so much buildup and I always read that cones weren't good for curly hair, at this point I've wasted so much money on so called natural products that just didn't quite make the cut. I'm actually thinking about giving pantene one more shot.
I think my brain just exploded. I have no idea what to think right now.


I think my brain just exploded. I have no idea what to think right now.

Originally Posted by Sarahgrace
Same here.
Brunette, almost BSL length, growing out.
CG since Feb 2008, modified CG since September 2008.

I now know my texture/porosity!! (TY, Tiffany!) Medium texture; ends on a porous side; new growth - normal porosity.

Wash: Suave; EO Sweet Orange shampoo

Conditioner: GVP Balm, Mango Lustrasilk

Styling: KCCC, BRHG and LA Looks

Want to try: CJ
Sarah this thread got dug up again because of the Everpure thread started by Tinah. If you can memorize this you're all set! This taken from Curly Chemist http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...p-on-silicones

Recommended cleansing agents

Dimethicone

SLS, SLES, cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, ALS, or ALES

Dimethiconol


SLS, SLES, cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, ALS, or ALES

Phenyl Trimethicone


SLS, SLES, cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, ALS, or ALES

Amodimethicone

SLS, SLES, cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, ALS, or ALES

Cyclomethicone

cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, other mild surfactants, or conditioner washing

PEG-modified dimethicone-Water Soluble

cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, other mild surfactants, or conditioner washing

Dimethicone copolyol-Water Soluble

cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, other mild surfactants, or conditioner washing


So what I get from this is: You can use Water Soluble Cones with co-washing. If you Low Poo you can use any Cone to hearts content!!!!

So what I get from this is: You can use Water Soluble Cones with co-washing. If you Low Poo you can use any Cone to hearts content!!!!
Originally Posted by DEL2C
Del, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if I see Santa peeking from a chimney... I miss MISSSSSS styling products with silicone!


Thanks for wrapping it up
Brunette, almost BSL length, growing out.
CG since Feb 2008, modified CG since September 2008.

I now know my texture/porosity!! (TY, Tiffany!) Medium texture; ends on a porous side; new growth - normal porosity.

Wash: Suave; EO Sweet Orange shampoo

Conditioner: GVP Balm, Mango Lustrasilk

Styling: KCCC, BRHG and LA Looks

Want to try: CJ

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