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Old 05-27-2008, 09:31 PM   #1
 
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First off I hoped I spelled that right. I was curious, is that one soluble with a co-wash or only sulfate poo? I checked out sweatpeacurli's site and only got the answer that it isn't water soluble-so I wondered.

I was looking online and saw that ABBA had a curl line but I saw this in the Conditioner. The Poo looked good as well did the styler spritz.


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Ooo...I think this is the really bad one, but I could be wrong.
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Check out this link: it's at the top of my favourites list because it's so useful.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curly-...p-on-silicones
It looks like it's not water soluble, but can be removed with conditioner washing.
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Thank you Amda! That was so helpful. My logical brain has told me not to just throw out products I have w/ out more clarity. All silicones aren't harmful but some should be avoided for co-washers. Now I know which ones.
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It can get gunky on me, but others do well with it as long as they co wash.
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Yes, thank you! It seems that the really bad ones require sulfates, which I am trying to avoid at all costs. But the ones that require cocamidopropyl betaine to remove them are water soluble and I think most conditioners(suave, etc.) that are used for co-washing contain that, right?
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Ooo...I think this is the really bad one, but I could be wrong.
The -xane cone is the evil one. Cyclomethicone supposedly can removed with co-washing and coco.....betaine.
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It's the -xane cone, like msgiblet said, which is really bad...it's called cyclopentasiloxane. I'm not sure if all the -xane cones are bad or not, but I know for sure this particular one is.

Cyclomethicone is actually a rather mild cone, from my experience. I think using coco betaine or CO washing can get it out. Everyone's hair is different. I would assume you will need more than just a water wash as it isn't technically water soluble...but mild washing from CO washing or from non-sulfate shampoo should be enough.
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What is coco betaine? Is it in a poo and if so which ones? Its all so confusing sometimes.
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Cyclomethicone IS cyclopentasiloxane, and also cyclotetrasiloxane (just a smaller molecule). It's just another name for the same thing! Neither will build up on your hair, although they are not water soluble. The reason for this is that they evaporate. They do not remain on your hair. You need nothing to remove them because they do not remain on your hair. I know I have addressed this in an article, but it is still a huge point of confusion for folks.

The reason some find it makes their hair feel bad is that when it evaporates it can make your hair a tad dry and maybe mess with your cuticle layer a bit, just like alcohols that evaporate.

Also, according to all the research I have seen, all of the silicones can be removed just as efficiently by products containing cocamidopropyl betaine or coco betaine as by SLS or SLES.
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Cyclomethicone IS cyclopentasiloxane, and also cyclotetrasiloxane (just a smaller molecule). It's just another name for the same thing! Neither will build up on your hair, although they are not water soluble. The reason for this is that they evaporate. They do not remain on your hair. You need nothing to remove them because they do not remain on your hair. I know I have addressed this in an article, but it is still a huge point of confusion for folks.

The reason some find it makes their hair feel bad is that when it evaporates it can make your hair a tad dry and maybe mess with your cuticle layer a bit, just like alcohols that evaporate.

Also, according to all the research I have seen, all of the silicones can be removed just as efficiently by products containing cocamidopropyl betaine or coco betaine as by SLS or SLES.
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One other question SCC -- have you heard how long it takes for the silicone to evaporate off your hair? I guess maybe that is dependent on the conditions/environment as well.
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Sooo, does that mean if you keep your hair moisturized you don't really have to worry what you put in it? Then what is causing that buildup so many(not me) speak of?
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Cyclomethicone IS cyclopentasiloxane, and also cyclotetrasiloxane (just a smaller molecule). It's just another name for the same thing! Neither will build up on your hair, although they are not water soluble. The reason for this is that they evaporate. They do not remain on your hair. You need nothing to remove them because they do not remain on your hair. I know I have addressed this in an article, but it is still a huge point of confusion for folks.

The reason some find it makes their hair feel bad is that when it evaporates it can make your hair a tad dry and maybe mess with your cuticle layer a bit, just like alcohols that evaporate.

Also, according to all the research I have seen, all of the silicones can be removed just as efficiently by products containing cocamidopropyl betaine or coco betaine as by SLS or SLES.
Woah, seriously?! I totally didn't know that. I'll still avoid cyclopentasiloxane because it left my hair unruly (my hair dislikes drying alcohols), but I'm thrilled to know that it doesn't build up. Thanks so much for elucidating!
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i had a similar question about this because i ordered a rosemary and horsetail oil online and later saw this ingredient in it. i did some research. this has a different structure than other silicones. the structure makes it bigger so that it cannot be absorbed into hair. it basically acts as a carrier and facilitates the good natural oils making their way into the hair. after it has done its job, it evaporates since it sits on the hair's surface rather than being absorbed.
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Cyclomethicone IS cyclopentasiloxane, and also cyclotetrasiloxane (just a smaller molecule). It's just another name for the same thing! Neither will build up on your hair, although they are not water soluble. The reason for this is that they evaporate. They do not remain on your hair. You need nothing to remove them because they do not remain on your hair. I know I have addressed this in an article, but it is still a huge point of confusion for folks.

The reason some find it makes their hair feel bad is that when it evaporates it can make your hair a tad dry and maybe mess with your cuticle layer a bit, just like alcohols that evaporate.

Also, according to all the research I have seen, all of the silicones can be removed just as efficiently by products containing cocamidopropyl betaine or coco betaine as by SLS or SLES.
Totally fascinating. It renders half of what we talk about on this board entirely moot!

So, then, what do you think of the "ranking" of silicones in this article: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curly-...p-on-silicones
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Do you mean to tell me that I've wasted a ridiculously huge amount of money on buying products without an ingredient that evaporates off anyway?!
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I just realized this thread I started is going to unleash many peoples PJ something fierce! Ooops sorry!

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Sooo, does that mean if you keep your hair moisturized you don't really have to worry what you put in it? Then what is causing that buildup so many(not me) speak of?
Anything with conditioning or holding agents can eventually build up. That's why clarifying -- if you use a good clarifying shampoo, it should contain none of these agents -- needs to be done every so often.
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