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Old 06-08-2008, 06:01 PM   #21
 
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I'm glad someone got some use out of this! The no-protein diet was useful. I got a good 10-11 months out it, so I must've needed consisten hard core moisture to go that long

It is interesting how out hair needs change. This time last year, my hair would go brittle and wiry and curl-less from the tiniest bit of protein. Now, I needed a little - go figure.

Well, I'll try once a week for a bit and see how it goes. I'm fairly sure though that the nature of my coarse stranded hair won't take daily protein use since I do fit that stereotype, but once a week might not kill me, lol. If I need less or more, it's easy enough to adjust.
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I'm coming from the opposite direction as you - from non-protein sensitive to protein sensitive. But I believe the state can change. Once I backed off the protein DT's things normalized.
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I'm coming from the opposite direction as you - from non-protein sensitive to protein sensitive. But I believe the state can change. Once I backed off the protein DT's things normalized.
I thought of you this weekend when I thinking about people travelling the hair continuum. I'm glad that you normalized.
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Second day hair is fantastic when I consider that I didn't pineapple and it is a high dew point day.

Thank goodness for all of the varied topics here that made me think of trying something different.

We'll see what once a week treatment does.
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Old 06-09-2008, 11:34 AM   #25
 
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great to hear!

deep treatment weekly is so important to me because my hair is dry & i live in florida so i need the extra moisturizer & protection for my hair.

I also leave the dt overnight, wash it in the morning, and then use a conditioner.

because you didn't do a pineapple what other method you use instead?

i love to know!!
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Old 06-09-2008, 11:43 AM   #26
 
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I just slept on a satin pillowcase.

This DT was different for me becuase it was a protein DT. My hair had been pretty protein sensitive for quite some time. When I first went cg, I had issues with wheat, and then it got the point where I couldn't use anything with any type of protein at all, even if it was the last ingredient. My first year was hit and miss. Early in the second year, I found a good, moisturizing, protein free routine. I also learned that there I had to also avoid panthenol (and other b-vitamin stuff) mag sulfate, isopropyl mysristate, and maybe anopther thing or two because all of that was drying. It makes it a challenge to find products.

So, I did DT a lot, but they were protein free DT's. I didn't need protein. I needed moisture. I recently was able to get to the point where I could overcondition, and then with the stretch test, wondered if maybe I could use some protein.

My hair had been behaving well enough, but had been getting limper. I was confused becuase it was certainly moisturized. So, after 10-11 months of being protein free, my hair was ready for some protein. It seems to have done the trick and it perked up the root curl that I used to have but had lost.

It just goes to show that hair can change.

I'll stay protein free in my day-to-day routine, and rely on the k-pak to give me some protein. I'm just too lazy and happy with my current stuff to figure out a new routine.
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So, last week wasn't a fluke. My hair stayed perky early on and then drooped towards then end. I did my planned K-pak today, and it perked up. So, now I really know that I need protein. HA! Go figure. I'll keep this once a week thing going for two more weeks and then assess from there. I'd rather make slow progress than overdo it.

Yesterday.


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Interestingly, my under-proteined hair looks liked my mildly over-proteined hair, but nowhere near as bad as my very over-proteined hair.

Interesting how two opposites can look similar, but feel very different. The under proteined at least doesn't feel like that straw crap.

Frizz control is also far easier when the protein/moisture balance is in check, regardless of frizz fighting products.
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This is wacky! Hey RCC maybe you can use henna now! Lol, just kidding, I know you like your Wella.
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This is wacky! Hey RCC maybe you can use henna now! Lol, just kidding, I know you like your Wella.
You know, I did think about that.... I'm just too scared $hitless still, lol. Partly of my history and partly because it is so permanent, and I have rules about what color hair I am allowed to have in uniform. One OD, and I'm screwed, lol.
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RCC, thank you so much for starting this thread! I did some research and found out what a stretch test was and did it, and I discovered that I needed protein.

The next day, I did a homemade treatment (soysauce and water) and then a deep treatment. My hair looked and felt great! I'm thinking about doing it once a week for a while and seeing how it goes. Thanks for the inspiration!
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Soy sauce? Like for rice?
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Soy sauce? Like for rice?

I think that's what she means- I'm curious too. I'm also afraid that if I did do that, I'd walk around all day wanting sushi. I'm looking into trying a protein treatment to see what it could do for me.
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Soy sauce? Like for rice?
Yep! But it has to be the real stuff. I think the only ingredients should be soy, water, and salt to be considered real soy sauce. (maybe a preservative also)

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I think that's what she means- I'm curious too. I'm also afraid that if I did do that, I'd walk around all day wanting sushi. I'm looking into trying a protein treatment to see what it could do for me.
Yep! Sorry for taking so long to reply! I lost the thread! And yes, the smell was...interesting. Thankfully I used a vanilla deep treatment right after it and it blocked most of the smell. I think I needed to rise my hair a little more, too. I just chose soy sauce because it was easy and I had some at the house. It was pretty simple, but I had the water too hot and burned part of my scalp, so be careful if you decide to do this.

Also, make sure you do a stretch test before you play with protein!
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Yep! But it has to be the real stuff. I think the only ingredients should be soy, water, and salt to be considered real soy sauce. (maybe a preservative also)

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I think that's what she means- I'm curious too. I'm also afraid that if I did do that, I'd walk around all day wanting sushi. I'm looking into trying a protein treatment to see what it could do for me.
Yep! Sorry for taking so long to reply! I lost the thread! And yes, the smell was...interesting. Thankfully I used a vanilla deep treatment right after it and it blocked most of the smell. I think I needed to rise my hair a little more, too. I just chose soy sauce because it was easy and I had some at the house. It was pretty simple, but I had the water too hot and burned part of my scalp, so be careful if you decide to do this.

Also, make sure you do a stretch test before you play with protein!
Yes, because too much protein can make for craptastic hair.
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Soy sauce is not only protein it's salty, and I wouldn't want to put anything with that much sodium into my hair.

RCC how are the protein trials going? I can see a difference in your photos.
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Soy sauce is not only protein it's salty, and I wouldn't want to put anything with that much sodium into my hair.

RCC how are the protein trials going? I can see a difference in your photos.
sbb, it's hard to tell now with all of the bunning ,lol.

I am going to do another treatment on Sunday since that will be my "hair down" day. I have read that most people use a moisturizing DT after the K-pak and I have totally not needed that at all, so I figure that I can do another treatment or two. I am a bit concerned about the mineral oil, but it hasn't seemed to hurt.

I may just get the K-pak daily and put it into a testing rotation. It has a water soluble cone and some wheat (ick) low down, but it is mostly keratin, which seems to be doing good things for me. If the wheat bugs me, I can AOHR it out.

Next week I just need to use two down hair days so I can see how the protein thing is progressing.

Mostly it just feels weird to have to test and tweak my routine. I've been spoiled using teh same thing for months.
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Soy sauce is not only protein it's salty, and I wouldn't want to put anything with that much sodium into my hair.

RCC how are the protein trials going? I can see a difference in your photos.
Hmmm. I didn't think about that, but you're right. Fortunately, my hair felt just fine after it. I did do a deep treatment right after it and my hair looked great! I did a stretch test and my hair started to shrink back, but it still didn't go back to its normal state. Still, it was better than before when it just stayed stretched out.
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RCC what is the stretch test, or where I can I find the information? Thanks. Your hair looks beautiful!
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RCC what is the stretch test, or where I can I find the information? Thanks. Your hair looks beautiful!
Thank you curly2!

If I am wrong, Riot Crrl can correct me... but here's what I do.

I do it with a wet hair (well, a few wet hairs tested one by one) post shower, but with dry hands.

I wrap each end of the hair around my fingers like dental floss because it is easier for me that way.

Gently stretch the strand.

If it snaps right away, you may need more protein free moisture.

If it stretches a little and then returns to its normal shape, or mostly to its normal shape, you should be ok. If it stretches a little and then breaks, you may be OK moisture wise but just pulled too far.

If it stretches a lot, or if it stretches but won't return to something close to its normal shape, you may need some protein.

It appears to be a tool for checking the protein/moisture balance in the hair.
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annielutz, we're in a similar hair place at the moment, how are things going with your routine?

I'm glad that you mentioned the K-Pak. I chose it mostly based on your experience, and partly because Sally's has a cheap version. I do like it.
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