Thinking of playing with protein

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After pondering RiotCrrls stretch test, I thought I'd try it out.

My hair stretches now. It never used to. It used to break quickly.

Now it stretches and goes back, but the shape is slightly different. This happened to three hairs. Two just snapped.

Since I have managed to get myself to the point where I can be overconditioned (and I've been here two years - it took some time) I have wondered if my hair can tolerate protein once or twice a month now. I know that I probably won't be able to handle it full time because I remember having protein issues even as a kid. I just didn't know what it was.

Have any of you protein sensitives gotten to a point where you can tolerate it sometimes just from moisture rehab?

I was considering the Aubrey GBP conditioner. I don't have the guts for something like Aphogee or something more hard core.

I figure and expiriment can't hurt. If it backfires, I at least know how to fix it.
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Last edited by redcelticcurls; 06-06-2008 at 10:47 PM.
I would never do something protein-intensive. Play with protein-containing stylers and lighter conditioners, sure. And my hair stretches a bit. I just know it'd freak out under protein-treatment conditions.
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I'm protein-sensitive, but decided to give a mild protein treatment a shot. I have been off protein for three months now, but my hair needed something I couldn't quite put my finger on. A few weeks back on a whim (!) I tried an intensive protein treatment and my hair hated it.

I remembered a few years back I had another hair coloring disaster and my stylist recommended the K-Pak Reconstructor (the actual treatment, not the conditioner), saying it was a mild protein deep treatment. My hair ate it up back then, so I gave it a try yesterday. I co-washed, left the K-Pak on for about 15 minutes, rinsed thoroughly and did a deep moisture overnight treatment (I mixed equal parts AOHR, SheaM, and apricot oil).

Today I have the best hair I've had in a long time, soft and shiny, well-defined spirals. K-Pak only has keratin proteins in it. I can't tolerate wheat, soy, silk, or starches. I'm planning to experiment with Creme of Nature poo next.

HTH.

Annie
Modified-CG, 2c, slightly protein-sensitive, color-treated

LA County, SoCal - Cool and some humidity FINALLY
Liking: Suave co-washes, LVPHG, homemade curl cream and DT
Loving: KCKT/KCCC/HESMU, Biolage, K-Pak reconstructor, SheaM
Creme of Nature poo has some proteins but doesn't overload on my hair, even when I was CG.
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Good to know - a good 'poo is hard to find!

Annie
Modified-CG, 2c, slightly protein-sensitive, color-treated

LA County, SoCal - Cool and some humidity FINALLY
Liking: Suave co-washes, LVPHG, homemade curl cream and DT
Loving: KCKT/KCCC/HESMU, Biolage, K-Pak reconstructor, SheaM
Same as mysteryflavored, I wouldn't do a protein treatment, but I can tolerate protein in stylers and conditioners if it's low on the list and not a really protein-y protein, if you know what I mean.
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3A low/medium porosity, medium texture

Current products:
Stylers: HE Tousle Me Softly, Condition 3-in-1 Mousse
Conditioners: Terax Crema, Mill Creek Botanicals Henna Conditioner
Cleanser: DevaCurl NoPoo

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If you are concerned about it taking weeks or something to recover, you could always do the protein on a strand test.
If you are concerned about it taking weeks or something to recover, you could always do the protein on a strand test.
Originally Posted by Riot Crrl
Oh yeah, duh. I'm glad that I have you guys to help me think!

I did pick up the GBP to try out. I have Reserves this weekend, so it's not like my hair is going to look good anyway. Perfect time to try it out.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
I'm protein-sensitive, but decided to give a mild protein treatment a shot. I have been off protein for three months now, but my hair needed something I couldn't quite put my finger on. A few weeks back on a whim (!) I tried an intensive protein treatment and my hair hated it.

I remembered a few years back I had another hair coloring disaster and my stylist recommended the K-Pak Reconstructor (the actual treatment, not the conditioner), saying it was a mild protein deep treatment. My hair ate it up back then, so I gave it a try yesterday. I co-washed, left the K-Pak on for about 15 minutes, rinsed thoroughly and did a deep moisture overnight treatment (I mixed equal parts AOHR, SheaM, and apricot oil).

Today I have the best hair I've had in a long time, soft and shiny, well-defined spirals. K-Pak only has keratin proteins in it. I can't tolerate wheat, soy, silk, or starches. I'm planning to experiment with Creme of Nature poo next.

HTH.
Originally Posted by annielutz
Thanks for the in-depth feedback. I've been protein free for 10-11 months with the exception of the conditioner my colorist uses on me, but that is for just a minute and not very often. I'm going to try the GBP and cross my fingers. At least I have plenty of AOHR on hand to fix it if needed. AOHR - my miracle moisturizer lol.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
OK, I did it.

I used the GBP for 15 minutes. I went to rinse, scared.

Well, no straw, no massive tangles, no breakage. Just a very slight brassy feeling, and for some reason, a bunch of slip. I just put some Knot Today on it as it didn't even seeem dry enough to recondition.

I plopped with no styler and diffuesed about 75%. I do think it is a bit springier and may even have a bit more root curl, but hard to tell without my real styling routine which will have to wait till Monday.



So, now that I candle that, I might try a K-pak followed by a Dt just to see what happens. Where do I buy K-pak anyway?

Perhaps, after two years here, I finally got my hair to some semblance of normal. I know I am still by default protein sensitive. I know I won't be able to use it every day or all the time. But, I hope it is now less severe than it was when I fastidiously avoided every smidge or hint of protein. If I can get by with a once or twice a month treatment while going protein free the rest of the time, that'd be super.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
Whee!

I would give weight to your hypothesis that after so much time of good treatment, your hair is no longer afraid of everything.

I think that K-Pak might be at Sally's? I forget.

What did the stretch test do afterwards? Or did you not even shed any hairs to test it on?

I wonder if a part of this may be seasonal. I last hennaed like a week ago, and my hair is already back to stretchy stretchiness, which is unusual as per the last few times before. But then again that could be due to the fact that I've been rocking a lot of oiled buns. It's easier to moisturize my hair that way than letting the curly flag fly, sorry to say.
The seasonal theory is interesting. I'll have to remember that when it gets cool again.

I didn't have any hairs to check after the treatment. I think they all came out when I detangled beforehand.

Nothing wrong with oiled buns! Keeps the flyaways away in the summer!
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
Just wanted to chip in and say there's also a Sally's generic K-pac that's a lot cheaper.
3A low/medium porosity, medium texture

Current products:
Stylers: HE Tousle Me Softly, Condition 3-in-1 Mousse
Conditioners: Terax Crema, Mill Creek Botanicals Henna Conditioner
Cleanser: DevaCurl NoPoo

http://www.flickr.com/photos/theevolutionofcurl/
Just wanted to chip in and say there's also a Sally's generic K-pac that's a lot cheaper.
Originally Posted by msjanani
Ah! Good to know. I'm so protein treatment ignorant, lol.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
I got a K-Pak knockoff at Sally, but it was the conditioner and not the deep treatment. Since I didn't feel like hoofing it back over to Sally, I got a tube of the treatment at a local beauty supply. I even saw the K-Pak treatment this afternoon at Vons (a local supermarket chain) so I know it's pretty common. The tube I got is a 30th anniversary edition (whatever), but it did have 30% more "free." It's sure not cheap (mine was $25 for 11 oz.).

And there's always AOHR for errors in judgment.

p.s. I cracked up when I read about you rinsing scared. I did the same thing, my face all pinched up the whole time I was rinsing the K-Pak out. Ah, the joy of the protein-sensitive experience...

Annie
Modified-CG, 2c, slightly protein-sensitive, color-treated

LA County, SoCal - Cool and some humidity FINALLY
Liking: Suave co-washes, LVPHG, homemade curl cream and DT
Loving: KCKT/KCCC/HESMU, Biolage, K-Pak reconstructor, SheaM
how can you tell if you are protein sensitive?
would your hair fallout, have itchy scalp, or anything abnormal?
3c/3b fine texture, normal density, high porosity

Shampoo: Devacare Low Poo, Devacare No Poo
Conditioner: Devacare One Conditioner
Leave-In: Devacare One Conditioner
Oil: Grapeseed Oil
Treatment: Coloful Protein Filler
Gel: Eco Styler Argan Oil
how can you tell if you are protein sensitive?
would your hair fallout, have itchy scalp, or anything abnormal?
Originally Posted by BabydollRinglets
Usually people with protein sensitivities get dry, strawlike, frizzy and brittle hair from products with protein. I haven't heard of people having hair loss from it, thankfully.

RCC, I've been experimenting with VO5 Silky Experiences Champagne Kiss conditioner (hydrolyzed silk) and I don't really like it much. My hair isn't as shiny and soft as I'd like. I say experiment to your heart's content to see what your hair likes. Your hair looks fab in the photo you just posted, so I think you can get away with occasional protein products.
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Alrighty. I picked up the generic k-pak after work today. I tried it and left it in for 15 minutes. I totally planned to Dt afterwards, but my hair felt OK, so I left it.

I have gotten a pretty decent improvement in my root curl, and my hair just feels bouncier. I think I'll just go with this once a week until it feels like it's too much. I don't want to get into protein every day. I know darn well how quickly it built up on me before, and I really don't want to mess with the daily routine I have.

I guess a protein sensitivity can potentially be modified if one moisturizes her hair to death.

First pic is from Thursday. Second is from after the treatment today. Similar weather conditions for both shots.

Today's hair feels more like my "default" or "genetic potential" curl pattern. It's what I get when my hair is in decent shape. I had been thinking that my flatter hair lately was length (and some of it probably is) and maybe a lack of moisture. But, I had gotten to a point where I could overcondition, so I was at a bit of an impasse. I never in a million years would've thought to *use* protein *shudder* until RiotCrrls stretch test. So, thank you RiotCrrl, for giving me a hair diagnostic tool!

I know I've gone on ad nauseum, but I hope it gives other protein sensitives something to think about if they come to a similar impasse in their hair.




Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
OMG, it is looking so awesome!

I first read about this test in some beauty mag in the 80s. But there was no real helpful information with it, it just said it was for telling if your hair is in "good condition" or not.

I read about it with the protein vs. moisture context on LHC. So I didn't make it up, I've just been going on about it here.
Redcelticcurls, I've been lurking in this thread, wondering how things would come out and curious about the results. I think it's very cool that you did this, as you have been a sort of poster child for the no-protein hair diet! You've really shown that not only can hair needs change over time but also that there are some scientific ways to determine what can work. That stretch test really seems like a terrific litmus test. (I wish I could master it...)

Anyway, your hair looks better than ever and I'm so glad you discovered something new about your hair! It was an educational trip for all of us, so thank you for being brave enough to share it.
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