Is it impossible to find a leave in condish that doesn't test on animals?!

Here's a debate point for someone to disprove.

From the KMF website:
Do you test on animals?

Since our humble beginnings on an organic farm in upstate New York, Kiss My Face has not used ingredients that were tested on animals nor tested our finished products on animals.
ETA: http://www.kissmyface.com/faqpage.html
Originally Posted by Kitara
True, but later on in that answer they state, "By using time-tested ingredients (ones with an established history of safety), diligently reviewing raw material information, and utilizing human volunteers in clinical safety trials, no company need ever test on animals again!"

How were the "time-tested" ingredients determined to be safe to begin with?
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Hypothetical food for thought:

Company A tests on animals. They have Curly Locks Conditioner. It uses Dimethicone and Cyclomethicone. The Curly Locks Conditioner is rat tested and proved to not blind them.

So, KMF comes along and researches their ingredients. They find Company D that tests only "ingredients", not products, on animals. They find that Cyclopentasiloxane was in Company D's reserch on animals so they don't use that one.

BUT ~ since Curly Locks was tested and found to be safe they can use the ingredients IN that one.

So, now they can still claim that they do "not use ingredients that were tested on animals" because they didn't actually test the ingredient, but the product.

Did that make ANY sense?

It's all such a strange gray area when you've got companies all using a lot of the same ingredients. I find it interesting that they make that claim that their specific ingredients were never tested on animals.

Last edited by Kitara; 06-26-2008 at 11:24 AM.
Just FTR I agree with RiotCrrl. I can not change the past, but I can change what I do NOW. I will choose a product that does not currently test on animals (even if some of their ingredients were tested in the past by another company) over a product that does test.
Thank you Kitara. I'm tired of people slamming up on me about what products I choose to use.
Cleanser: Liquid Castile Soap diluted in a foaming soap dispenser
Rinse:
ACV rinse
Detangler/Conditioner:
Oyin Handmade Greg Juice or Juices and Berries
Stylers: Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd, KCCC, Honey Rinses and BRHG, Crack Leave-in Hair Cream when straightening

Tools: Silk pillowcase, Floursack towels, Jersey T-Shirts, Wide Tooth Comb, Velecta Paramount TGR-VQX Hair Dryer (for when I straighten) and BaByliss PRO Ionic Rollabout Hard Hat Dryer
Curls=Beauty,

I'm not sure you'll be able to find something very inexpensive but most "health food store" brands don't test on animals. I just use my regular conditioners as leave-ins and I don't believe any of them test on animals. I've recently used the Burts Bees Deep Treatment as a leave in and it worked well and is available at chain drugstores for a reasonable price. The others I use (Oyin and Kinky Curly) seem to be online only and a bit more pricey. I think both BWC and Kiss My Face make leave-ins but my memory may be off...they don't test on animals.

Good luck with the search...even if it's not possible to find something with ingredients that have never been tested on animals, I believe it's worthwhile to try and support companies who don't currently test beauty products on animals.

Take care,

M
I love using organic products (doesn’t conduct animal testing and safe ingredients.)

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You can look up many animal friendly, toxic-free, “everything good” products.

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Shampoo: Devacare Low Poo, Devacare No Poo
Conditioner: Devacare One Conditioner
Leave-In: Devacare One Conditioner
Oil: Grapeseed Oil
Treatment: Coloful Protein Filler
Gel: Eco Styler Argan Oil
Thank you both. I love that site!! Yes, I love you!!
Cleanser: Liquid Castile Soap diluted in a foaming soap dispenser
Rinse:
ACV rinse
Detangler/Conditioner:
Oyin Handmade Greg Juice or Juices and Berries
Stylers: Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd, KCCC, Honey Rinses and BRHG, Crack Leave-in Hair Cream when straightening

Tools: Silk pillowcase, Floursack towels, Jersey T-Shirts, Wide Tooth Comb, Velecta Paramount TGR-VQX Hair Dryer (for when I straighten) and BaByliss PRO Ionic Rollabout Hard Hat Dryer
I think the OP is taking some general bitterness about the hair product industry expressed by some posters a little too personally. I don't think anybody here meant to attack your preference to avoid animal testing, but rather to express their own frustration with searching for the same thing.

And, I agree, there's very little out there for under $5, natural or not. If you want quality ingredients/products, you're usually going to have to pay for them.
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I'm sorry if I came across that way I didn't mean to. There are just so many other people who have been nasty (on different forums), about it.
Cleanser: Liquid Castile Soap diluted in a foaming soap dispenser
Rinse:
ACV rinse
Detangler/Conditioner:
Oyin Handmade Greg Juice or Juices and Berries
Stylers: Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd, KCCC, Honey Rinses and BRHG, Crack Leave-in Hair Cream when straightening

Tools: Silk pillowcase, Floursack towels, Jersey T-Shirts, Wide Tooth Comb, Velecta Paramount TGR-VQX Hair Dryer (for when I straighten) and BaByliss PRO Ionic Rollabout Hard Hat Dryer

Last edited by Curls=Beauty; 06-26-2008 at 09:10 PM.
I thought that one of the repliers was saying it was pointless to care about such a thing. Maybe I'm wrong, I hope so.
Yes, that's how one of them came across to me.
Cleanser: Liquid Castile Soap diluted in a foaming soap dispenser
Rinse:
ACV rinse
Detangler/Conditioner:
Oyin Handmade Greg Juice or Juices and Berries
Stylers: Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd, KCCC, Honey Rinses and BRHG, Crack Leave-in Hair Cream when straightening

Tools: Silk pillowcase, Floursack towels, Jersey T-Shirts, Wide Tooth Comb, Velecta Paramount TGR-VQX Hair Dryer (for when I straighten) and BaByliss PRO Ionic Rollabout Hard Hat Dryer
Giovanni Leave-in. http://www.vitacost.com
Price: $4.64
Shipping: Always $5.00

Soo, order as much as u want from the site to save more. They have everything from vitamins to hair products to beauty products, and toothpaste. All kinds of stuff. I love this website!!
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Last edited by Artemida; 06-26-2008 at 09:45 PM.
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curls=beauty I too have been switching things over in my household as well. For cleaning I use either Method or Clorox's Green Works. Also use Simplicity or Method for the laundry. They are actually cheaper than the name brand harsh stuff. For hair products I like Nature's Gate(conditioners mainly) and facial products. I love Avalon Organics Vitamin C facial products(though I can't afford them unless my local Grocery Outlet has them for their usual $5.99 as opposed to their reg. retail of $15 or more! Also love Burts Bees(walgreens has the poos for like $7.99)

I haven't found a leave-in yet. But am hoping to. I too see that it's nearly impossible to find something that wasn't tested 100 years ago. Besides a lot of companies that don't test on animals have to use second hand info from others that did or did at one point. But for me the main thing is to support the companies that don't do it now. I check the back of bottles, etc.

I will keep my eye out for anything that looks good, okay? Will you do the same? Thanks and good luck!



Artemida you just struck my inner pj!
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Medium texture
Average porosity

Crazy-picky hair; likes some oils and proteins, but not others, can tolerate some glycerin.

Current products-
Co-wash: Suave/Vo5/TJ Refresh
Rinse out & Leave in: Suave Tropical Coconut/Garnier Triple Nutrition
Gel: Herbal Essences Set Me Up/Aussie Tizz No Frizz
For household cleaning we use baking soda, peroxide and vinegar, they work miracles! My mom uses All Free Clear laundry detergent, and Electrosol dishwasher stuff. She doesn't care (nor do any of my siblings or my dad) if it was tested on animals or not. But, me, I'm a vegetarian, and use as many products as I can that aren't tested on animals, and when I move out (which won't be for a long time yet), will be using everything I can that isn't tested, but for now I can only do so much. I'll keep my eye out for anything that looks good too.
I too see that it's nearly impossible to find something that wasn't tested 100 years ago. Besides a lot of companies that don't test on animals have to use second hand info from others that did or did at one point. But for me the main thing is to support the companies that don't do it now. I check the back of bottles, etc.
I agree.


ETA- Thanks for that link.
Cleanser: Liquid Castile Soap diluted in a foaming soap dispenser
Rinse:
ACV rinse
Detangler/Conditioner:
Oyin Handmade Greg Juice or Juices and Berries
Stylers: Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd, KCCC, Honey Rinses and BRHG, Crack Leave-in Hair Cream when straightening

Tools: Silk pillowcase, Floursack towels, Jersey T-Shirts, Wide Tooth Comb, Velecta Paramount TGR-VQX Hair Dryer (for when I straighten) and BaByliss PRO Ionic Rollabout Hard Hat Dryer

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