why does magnesium sulfate make my hair curl so well?

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Does anyone know?

And does anyone know of an equally effective natural equivalant? My hair absolutely cannot tolerate the mag sulfate after a day or two. But it works so darn well that first day!!!!
3a & hates mag sulfates
currently using:
AOHR
Mop Top Shampoo or Eulence 1x week
KBB nectar leave-in with KCCC
Have you tried using a rotation? That helped me back when I was in love with Noodlehead curl creme.
claiming a 2c/3aMiii
growing my hair out to BSL
& mod-CG as of 9/1/08
Low-poo: VitaminShampoo pomegranate+blackberry
'Poo to clarify: BTZ Noodlehead
Condish: GVP Conditioning Balm
Stylers: LOOB! GVP Detangler, HESMU
Put away for winter: PMRT, TW, LVPNG

On the rare occasion that I straighten: leave-in V05 vanilla mint, 3-in-1, and Tizz no Frizz
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I dunno but it sure hates my hair. I love the curls I get - absolutely amazing. In fact I almost used jessicurl today but made myself not do it. I can only use it one day and by the end of the day - frizz city but lots of curls under all the frizz. And I am not one to have a lot of frizz normally.
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Here's my take on the subject...
Part of the reason that curly hair does just that, curl, is because of its structure - it contains disulfide bonds which cause it to bend this way and that way. Because Magnesium Sulfate contains sulfate, it strengthens or forms more of those disulfide bonds which causes hair to appear curlier.
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Last edited by fskatergirl; 09-12-2008 at 02:33 PM.
I'm a stylist....fskatergirl is absolutely right, but as to your question about a natural alternative, Mag. sulfate IS natural, all it is is epsom salt. Jessicurl is the most natural product you're likely to find with it in it. You could always try making your own curl spray with it in it.

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Products: Free and Clear sulfate free poo and condish, Theraneem Sulfate Free Shampoo/Condish, Unscented SSCEJ, Coconut oil, Camellia oil, Argan oil
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Here's my take on the subject...
Part of the reason that curl hair does just that, curl, is because of its structure - it contains disulfide bonds which cause it to bend this way and that way. Because Magnesium Sulfate contains sulfate, it strengthens or forms more of those disulfide bonds which causes hair to appear curlier.
Originally Posted by fskatergirl
that makes so much sense... you're a genius!
CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
thanks for all of the replies and explanations....I didn't realize that mag sulfate was epsom salt....that's very interesting....I just wish it didn't dry out my hair so darn much...I've been playing around with using it over top of Sheam and with other massively moisturizing products, but it doesn't seem to be counteracting the drying...
3a & hates mag sulfates
currently using:
AOHR
Mop Top Shampoo or Eulence 1x week
KBB nectar leave-in with KCCC
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Freeman makes a nice spray that has mag sulfate and is CG I believe(I think it has a peg in it) and it smells awesome. It's under $5
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3B w/3A underneath

Medium texture
Average porosity

Crazy-picky hair; likes some oils and proteins, but not others, can tolerate some glycerin.

Current products-
Co-wash: Suave/Vo5/TJ Refresh
Rinse out & Leave in: Suave Tropical Coconut/Garnier Triple Nutrition
Gel: Herbal Essences Set Me Up/Aussie Tizz No Frizz
would still be interesting though to learn about some other alternatives that work to give curl because some of us just can't handle that mag sulfate. Are there any other natural stuff that can be used???
Some people use magnesium oil instead. It seems to enhance curls just as well without being as drying. Kathymack sells samples if you want to try it.

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2?/3a ??? ; fine; high density; normal porosity and elasticity
color treated

CURRENTLY USING:
cleanse:Organix Vanilla Silk, Use Me Cleansing Cream
rinse out/li:Ion Effective Care, Tresseme Naturals Radiant Volume (both with NPF added)
stylers:Curl Keeper, UFD Curly Magic, & Alba Botanicals Strong Hold Gel
PT:CJ Repair Me

mod CG since August 2010
You can buy mag oil at many health food stores. It doesn't cost much, about $4 for a 4 oz bottle. Its really good to add to a bath too, very relaxing and is great if you have sore muscles.
2c/3a/3b Fine/med texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
I will keep this in mind, but as for the hair to get curl enhancing work, where in my regimen would I put it? With curl enhancing jelly, gel, where???And it won't make it more weighed down, my hair I mean?
I'm interested in this as well. I just wonder whether it isn't the sulfate that causes the curl - and the dryness.
2/c and some 3A. Modified CG.
Protein sensitive
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Conditioners: Curl Junkie Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner,
Deep condish: Curl Junkie Curl Rehab
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
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I recently made a hair spray with water, about 2 tablespoons of conditioner and 1/2 teaspoon of epsom salts. I put it all in a 12 oz. spray bottle I recycled from some other product. I spray it on my hair right before I put on my products. I use this every other day to see how my hair reacts. So far I'm liking the result. Will be thinking about adding 1 teaspoon of honey to see how it works when the dews are down a little.
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3A, highlighted layered shoulder length
Texture: Fine Porosity: Normal Elasticity: Normal
Low poo: ABBA Pure Color Protect sulfate free poo
Co-wash: VO5 Blackberry Sage Tea and Strawberries and Cream
RO: Tresemme Naturals. Once a week mix this with a little AO GPN to give me a protein boost.
Styling: KCCC, Homemade Flax Seed Gelee, Aquage Defining Gel; BB Flax Gelee
I've been wondering about this too.

I go on a NO SULFATE regime.. the CG method.. because sulfates are bad for my hair, right?

I know that when I am in other areas where the water is hard and full of minerals, my hair has amazing curl!

So my question is, what minerals can I add safely? I'm thinking the magnesium oil may be one? I wish it was as easy as adding epsom salts but I'm thinking if I'm going to do that, I might as well start using shampoo again.
Check this stuff out: Ion Moisturizing Treatment. My hair loves it as a leave-in and it has mag sulfate (although low in the list). It is CG and very moisturizing too. It also smells nice, but not very strong. I think it is my fave leave-in right now. Oils, protein, mag sulfate, oh my!

Ion - Moisture Solutions - Ion Moisturizing Treatment 12 oz.

Water (Aqua, Eau), Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Quaternium-18, Glyceryl Stearate, PEG-100 Stearate, Stearalkonium Chloride, Panthenol, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Sesamum Indicum (Sesame) Seed Oil, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Zea Mays (Corn) Oil, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat) Germ Oil, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, PEG-5 Soy Sterol, PEG-10 Soy Sterol, Stearamine Oxide, Magnesium Sulfate, Imidazolidinyl Urea, DMDM Hydantoin, Propylene Glycol, Methylparaben, Citric Acid, Fragrance (Parfum), Yellow 5 (CI 19140), Red 40 (CI 16035), Benzyl Benzoate, Limonene
3a/b 'curly bob' in the mid-Atlantic. Goal: more 3b than 3a. CG Oct 2010.

Low-poo: Giovanni TTTT, Ion Swim
Co-wash: V05 Shea Cashmere
Rinse-out: SalonCare Apples & Pears, Tresemme Naturals
Leave-in: Cure Care, Ion Moisturizing Treatment
Stylers: Ecostyler Argan Oil, LALSG, LBLOC, Hold It! Wave Maker, LAL Beachy Waves Spray Gel. Also been using my diffuser more lately.
PT: Ion Reconstructor
DT: GVP Balm, Pure Elements Intense Repairing Treatment
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I'm hoping AIgirl or another knowledgable poster comes on here! I can tell you that mag sulfate and sodium lauryl sulfate and the like are not the same thing. I can't explain why, however! Lol!

But a lot of cg curlies use Epsom, so you should be fine. ODing on it can be drying, though.
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
Whoops! Just noticed there already WERE some responses explaining it! Lol!

A hint that has helped me - a good LI under it helps, and then scrunching in some light oil after its dry helps, too!!

And yes - don't use it everyday of you find it particularly drying.
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing

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