which would you rather have: a sulfate-free or a gentle poo?

naked naturals citrus & keratin (found at walgreens) is actually really gentle and has no lauryl or laureth sulfates. and it smells good!
Originally Posted by bluujay
I agree. However, I usually use Giovanni TTTT, which sudses great but is very gentle on my hair, and I need it for my scalp. My next favorite is Terax Collagene Shampoo, very gentle, sulfate-free, contains collagen, obviously. Pricey at $20, but I only use it when scalp is OK, feel the need for a low-poo, and don't mind the protein. My bottle is still nearly full. Next favorite would be the Naked Naturals, ditto for the reasons for Collagene. Only about $7.

I low-poo infrequently enough that between the three, I probably have enough shampoo for the next 3-4 years!
2C/3A/3B - mod. CG, med. to fine, normal to low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated, GTTT or Aim2Health 'poos as scalp needs, YTCarrots or Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein Trtmt & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite, KCCC, AO Mandarin Magic, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing then clips or clamps & air dry. Blend gray w/henna glosses

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I've tested several shampoos recently that were sulfate-free but left my hair a tangled, rough mess. Most of these had intense, rich, incredible lather which usually suggests a high intensity of surfactants, whether they are sulfates or not.
Originally Posted by laurabeth33
The first time I used Mastey Traite I was left with most tangled mess of stripped hair I had ever experienced. I left a bad review too. Then a few week later I tried it again because I bought a whole liter of it because of all the good reviews and I had a totally different exerience. So I always give shampoos a second try.

All things considered I would like a gentle poo. I don't care how it cleans my hair as longs as it does it gently.

I've noticed that if my shampoos are treated more like rinse throughs (No scrubbing or making bubbles) that its more gentle on my hair.

These are my gentle shampoos I use in rotation:
KC Come Clean
Abba Gentle Shampoo
Mop Pear (turning harsh on me though) and MOP Glisten
4a/b Texlaxed hair w/ highlights. Medium texture & high porosity.

HG's: CJ Daily Fix, Bobeam Cheris Hibiscus shampoo bar, KC Spiral Spritz, Knot Today, CJ Rehab, KBB LL Hair Mask, Cassia, KCCC, oil blend of Avocado, Camellia, Jojoba, & Meadowfoam oils

SL APL BSL MBL

Last edited by afrosheenqueen; 09-19-2008 at 11:10 AM.
Over on makeupalley Nexxus Therappe is always mentioned as a gentle shampoo. Opinions on this?

I've read there that the green and yellow bottle Dove shampoos were supposed to be gentle versions. Is it all of the Doves that are harsh?
Over on makeupalley Nexxus Therappe is always mentioned as a gentle shampoo. Opinions on this?

I've read there that the green and yellow bottle Dove shampoos were supposed to be gentle versions. Is it all of the Doves that are harsh?
Originally Posted by Wiggilyhair
Just looked at all three @ www.drugstore.com They all have SL sulfate as the second ingredient. Nothing else jumps out. I will say that before I started trying to go CG, I was using the Dove Advanced Color Care Shampoo and Conditioner, and my hair had gotten to where it was limp with little curl. Come to find out that besides sulfates, even the shampoo had dimethicone (no PEG/PPG). Almost immediately after discontinuing sulfates and 'cones, it came back to life with a couple of good conditionings.

While the green and yellow Dove 'poos might not be that bad (if you don't mind the sulfate), the green conditioner contains both a 'xane and dimethiconol. The yellow doesn't, surprisingly.
2C/3A/3B - mod. CG, med. to fine, normal to low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated, GTTT or Aim2Health 'poos as scalp needs, YTCarrots or Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein Trtmt & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite, KCCC, AO Mandarin Magic, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing then clips or clamps & air dry. Blend gray w/henna glosses

www.fotki.com/auntnett
Over on makeupalley Nexxus Therappe is always mentioned as a gentle shampoo. Opinions on this?

I've read there that the green and yellow bottle Dove shampoos were supposed to be gentle versions. Is it all of the Doves that are harsh?
Originally Posted by Wiggilyhair
Liked Nexxus Therappe.

Hated both Dove poos, despite their promises.
2b w/ some 3a
product tester geek
I think this got overlooked. I'll ask again:

LB, wasn't there a Styler Chronicles due out? Did I miss it?


SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring"
3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
* pw: just4curlies
* My Motto: Strand Test!
some hair pics
-- gone, but never forgotten.
I love California Baby shampoo. Its surfactant is decyl polyglucose, which is much gentler on skin and hair than sulfates or cocamidopropyl betaine. totally non-irritating for my sensitive skin which is the first thing I look for. And it is non-drying in my hair if I oil my hair before washing and if I don't use too much. It barely lathers at all but I'm OK with that. I also use it as a "rinse aid" for my Aubrey Organics conditioner - mixing the two of them together makes a really nice rinse-out conditioner. and I use it as a body wash. and a shaving lather. really awesome product.

I used a coco-betaine shampoo (this one) for a long time before I found this site and even though I guess that's technically supposed to be gentle, for me it was just as drying as sulfates.

Last edited by tmmy_cat; 09-20-2008 at 07:01 AM.
I think this got overlooked. I'll ask again:

LB, wasn't there a Styler Chronicles due out? Did I miss it?

Originally Posted by CurliLocks
You didn't miss it. It will follow the new Conditioner Chronicles that I'm 85% done with edits on.
2b w/ some 3a
product tester geek
Oh, there are two other shampoos I use that are über gentle.

One is Canas Li'l Goat's Milk (shampoo & body wash in a pump bottle that looks like an antique milk can).

The other is Neutrogena Triple Moisture Cream Lather.

Both I thought they were sulfate-free, but then I see Sodium Trideceth Sulfate right after c--- betaine. So I did searches to find out if this was a gentle cleanser, but found it was also a wetting agent. So now I'm confused even further. The definite cleanser for both is c--- betaine.
When is Redken supposed to have come out with new formulations of Fresh Curls and All Soft? I'm curious because those are the products that were frying my hair out the worst it had ever been before I found out about Curly Girl, and going sulfate and cone free. I've still got damage from them, but fortunately was able to reverse a lot of it. Granted my hair is ridiculously fine, but believe me, it was like old straw for more than half the length, and those were among the first hair products I dumped.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
When is Redken supposed to have come out with new formulations of Fresh Curls and All Soft? I'm curious because those are the products that were frying my hair out the worst it had ever been before I found out about Curly Girl, and going sulfate and cone free. I've still got damage from them, but fortunately was able to reverse a lot of it. Granted my hair is ridiculously fine, but believe me, it was like old straw for more than half the length, and those were among the first hair products I dumped.
Originally Posted by Morgan_Adcock
Fresh Curls was earlier this year or end of last (the conditioner was HORRID so that could have messed you up). The All Soft with Silk Luxe was right after that.
2b w/ some 3a
product tester geek
Hmm, well unless that was old stock I got, it may have been the new formulation of Fresh Curls. I got the All Soft at the same place later, though, and I'm sure it isn't with Silk Luxe, so I suppose it may well not have been new stock.

The Fresh Curls started the job, and the All Soft delivered the final blow. I'm sure the silicone products my ex-hairdresser was also pushing didn't help. My hair was really brittle by the time I first heard about Curly Girl. It admittedly wasn't great before I started using the Fresh Curls, but started going downhill fast at that point. So I'm glad they've reformulated. Still not going back, since my hair's so much better than it ever was since I've gone CG, but good to know.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
I think this got overlooked. I'll ask again:

LB, wasn't there a Styler Chronicles due out? Did I miss it?

Originally Posted by CurliLocks
You didn't miss it. It will follow the new Conditioner Chronicles that I'm 85% done with edits on.
Originally Posted by laurabeth33
Oooooh! 2 new Chronicles to look for soon.

SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring"
3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
* pw: just4curlies
* My Motto: Strand Test!
some hair pics
-- gone, but never forgotten.
I usually co-wash or use Deva NoPoo/Low Poo.

Once every month or two when I need a fresh start I use Elucence Volume Clarifying Shampoo.

I absolutely love it. It has a sulfate way down on the list. The majority of the ingredients are natural. It has never dried my hair out. Springs my curls right back.
"What's the good of having naturally curly hair if nobody's jealous?" Freida - Peanuts

~CG 8/06 ~
fine, wavy - 2b/3a
KCNT and KKCC
BUMP
2c, CG, soft, managed, curly-From NEPA

MAX GREEN ALCHEMY
MOPTOP
MOP-C CUrL
INNERSENSE ORGANIC BEAUTY
JESSICURL
CURLJUNKIE
DEVACURL
(BUMBLE, AUBREY ORGANICS, JANE CARTER)
A gentle shampoo. Is there a list of them somewhere?

So many sulfate-frees I've tried were drying and seemed to strip my color.
Originally Posted by Wiggilyhair
Which sulfate frees are drying, why would they be drying? Isn't the harsh surfactants which deplete the oil from our hair the cause of dryness.

A gentler shampoo, of course! As long as you aren't using cones, a sulfate free shampoo that's gentle can work; but even if you don't, sometimes your hair wants the sulfates. No two people's hair ('cept for identical twins, of course) is the same.

I'm an exception on these boards. My hair can handle a moderate amount of cones and can also tolerate sulfate shampoos (though the trick is getting the right ones for the right seasons).
Originally Posted by AngularScience
Who's hair wants sulfates, and why would hair want sulfates?
2c, CG, soft, managed, curly-From NEPA

MAX GREEN ALCHEMY
MOPTOP
MOP-C CUrL
INNERSENSE ORGANIC BEAUTY
JESSICURL
CURLJUNKIE
DEVACURL
(BUMBLE, AUBREY ORGANICS, JANE CARTER)
Over on makeupalley Nexxus Therappe is always mentioned as a gentle shampoo. Opinions on this?

I've read there that the green and yellow bottle Dove shampoos were supposed to be gentle versions. Is it all of the Doves that are harsh?
Originally Posted by Wiggilyhair
I used therappe for years and it does seem to be more gentle than a lot of sulfate shampoos. Now I use it occassionally but I mix in some suave coconut condish with it - since they both smell like coconut anyway it works and the suave makes it much more gentle on my hair. I don't mind it much at all when I do this. I love therappe for a sulfate shampoo.

never tried the dove poos.
A gentle shampoo. Is there a list of them somewhere?

So many sulfate-frees I've tried were drying and seemed to strip my color.
Originally Posted by Wiggilyhair
Which sulfate frees are drying, why would they be drying? Isn't the harsh surfactants which deplete the oil from our hair the cause of dryness.

A gentler shampoo, of course! As long as you aren't using cones, a sulfate free shampoo that's gentle can work; but even if you don't, sometimes your hair wants the sulfates. No two people's hair ('cept for identical twins, of course) is the same.

I'm an exception on these boards. My hair can handle a moderate amount of cones and can also tolerate sulfate shampoos (though the trick is getting the right ones for the right seasons).
Originally Posted by AngularScience
Who's hair wants sulfates, and why would hair want sulfates?
Originally Posted by apollojuice
Cocobetaine and other non-sulfates can still be drying to the hair. Even water can be drying to the hair...so that's not surprising. The thing with cocobetaine is that it interacts with products that have protein in them. If your hair is sensitive to too much protein, then it can get an overload if you use cocobetaine. Potentially.

My hair, or shall I say my scalp, loves having sulfates occasionally. It seems to provide an extra clean feeling that I like. Sulfates gives a deeper cleaning...and since i use some cones, I like a little sulfate every once in awhile.
That's right, I said it! I wear scrunchies!!

I am a sulfate washing, cone slabbing, curly lovin' s.o.b. The CG police haven't caught me yet.


3a/3b
Any specific product recommendations, Boomygrrl? I seem to have more trouble finding shampoos than conditioners....
Originally Posted by wavycurly40+
Sorry, it's taken 8 months to respond...LOL...I didn't see this when you had posted it. I guess better late than never, huh?

For non-sulfate shampoo, I like Creme of Nature...both red label (no cones) and green label (water soluble cone). I think they are in the process of reformulating...but as of now, I still can get the sulfate-free versions at Sally's Beauty supply. Look on the back. If it says decyl glucoside (if memory serves me correctly) then you got the right formulation.

For sulfate, I too like Fresh curls shampoo...it is surprisingly gentle. I don't use it often, so I cannot attest to long-term use, but I use it occasionally, and I love how soft my hair feels, even before I put conditioner in it. They reformulated a year and a half or two years ago, I think. This new formulation is great.

Also for sulfate, I like Naturelle's Hypoallergenic Gentle shampoo. As long as I don't double wash (apply, rinse, repeat...so to speak), it's also gentle. I just used this yesterday. I think it has sodium laurETH sulfate in it...also cocobetaine, if I remember correctly. I'm sure that due to having cocobetaine in it, there's less amount of sulfate in it. That might be why it's gentle.

Hope that helps.
That's right, I said it! I wear scrunchies!!

I am a sulfate washing, cone slabbing, curly lovin' s.o.b. The CG police haven't caught me yet.


3a/3b
I prefer a sulfate-free for daily use, since I use red coloration in my hair, so I manage to protect the intense color for more time.
However, I need a gentle to wash my scalp, since it's quite oily and my region is quite hot.
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