soap vs. shampoo bars

I am confused. What is the difference between a natural soap bar and a shampoo bar? Some posters say that a soap bar could be a shampoo bar but just not marketed as such. Is there a specific ingredient(s ) that MAKE it a shampoo bar?
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Most homemade soaps can be used as shampoo bars or soaps etc....but the main ingredient would be castor oil which is what gives the shampoo bar lots of bubbles and retains that softness you need.

So just look at the ingredients, for example if it says coconut oil, olive oil, shea butter, castor oil but it says its a body soap. that should work fine!

ive used both and had no problem, i just choose what ingredients i know my hair likes. long as it contains alot of castor oil. it will lather rich
Just another opinion. I used shampoo bar with castor oil and it left my hair a frizzy mess. I use natural soap bars that doesn't use castor oil--and my hair has great curl, wonderful volume and it stays all day with no gel and limited frizz. I love them. I didn't poo for six months, but these are great--very gentle. Somewhere between nopoo and lowpoo.
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Thanks for the responses. I bought Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap in Hemp Rose.

INGREDIENTS:
Saponfied Organic Coconut Oil*, Saponified Organic Palm Oil*, Saponified Organic Olive Oil*, Organic Glycerin, Water, Organic Cannabis Sativa (Hemp) Seed Oil, Organic Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Natural Rose Fragrance, Sodium Chloride, Citric Acid, Tocopherol (Vit. E), (* Certified Fair Trade by IMO)

Since I'm so impatient, I have already used it on my hair. I used an ACV rinse after and then conditioned. Used my Komaza Coconut Hair Pudding, a little Almond Oil and air dried. Curls are well defined and no crunch at all. I have not felt the waxiness that others have mentioned.

So far, so good; but I know better than to trust one use of any product! If it does well over the next couple of uses I will post pics and routine.
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Thanks for the responses. I bought Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap in Hemp Rose.

INGREDIENTS:
Saponfied Organic Coconut Oil*, Saponified Organic Palm Oil*, Saponified Organic Olive Oil*, Organic Glycerin, Water, Organic Cannabis Sativa (Hemp) Seed Oil, Organic Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Natural Rose Fragrance, Sodium Chloride, Citric Acid, Tocopherol (Vit. E), (* Certified Fair Trade by IMO)

Since I'm so impatient, I have already used it on my hair. I used an ACV rinse after and then conditioned. Used my Komaza Coconut Hair Pudding, a little Almond Oil and air dried. Curls are well defined and no crunch at all. I have not felt the waxiness that others have mentioned.

So far, so good; but I know better than to trust one use of any product! If it does well over the next couple of uses I will post pics and routine.
Originally Posted by mpgirl
I don't think the castile soap is the same as the soap/shampoo bars. It's much stronger. Some people dilute it.

There are a few threads on it.

Liquid castille soap...any takers?

Just watch it, the general consensus is that it can be very drying.
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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Thanks for the responses. I bought Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap in Hemp Rose.

INGREDIENTS:
Saponfied Organic Coconut Oil*, Saponified Organic Palm Oil*, Saponified Organic Olive Oil*, Organic Glycerin, Water, Organic Cannabis Sativa (Hemp) Seed Oil, Organic Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Natural Rose Fragrance, Sodium Chloride, Citric Acid, Tocopherol (Vit. E), (* Certified Fair Trade by IMO)

Since I'm so impatient, I have already used it on my hair. I used an ACV rinse after and then conditioned. Used my Komaza Coconut Hair Pudding, a little Almond Oil and air dried. Curls are well defined and no crunch at all. I have not felt the waxiness that others have mentioned.

So far, so good; but I know better than to trust one use of any product! If it does well over the next couple of uses I will post pics and routine.
Originally Posted by mpgirl
I don't think the castile soap is the same as the soap/shampoo bars. It's much stronger. Some people dilute it.

There are a few threads on it.

Liquid castille soap...any takers?

Just watch it, the general consensus is that it can be very drying.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Thanks for the link. I actually bought the bar soap since I will be doing some traveling in Oct and Nov and thought that it would be convenient to pack in my carry on. Since I struggle a little with being over conditioned, I should be able to use it for cleansing once every 10 days or so.

I originally thought I would look at my local organic food store to see if I could find any bars that had been talked about on this board, but no such luck. I will have to wait until I have the time to drive in to Tampa and can stop at Whole Foods.
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mpgirl you can always buy the shampoo bars from kathymac
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mpgirl you can always buy the shampoo bars from kathymac
Originally Posted by DEL2C
Shampoo bars? DELC2, I'm already investigating the purchase of pink boots! LOL! I'm a little ADHD when it comes to products.
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Deva Low Poo
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Homemade FSG
KCCC
Curl Junkie Stuff
BRHG


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I got some 'natural' homemade type body soaps on the weekend and used one on my hair this morning! It was a chocolate & coconut bar. Not sure of the ingredients. Was interesting. Gave me a slightly waxy finish but that meant more clumping than normal. I tend to have stringy clumps. Probably dropped the curl out slightly too, which again isn't a bad thing as I want to drop my curls into waves. I like my low poo shampoo though (Mastey Triate) so doubt I will use the soap every time I want to shampoo. Was fun though!! Have a couple of different flavours to try out.
I got some 'natural' homemade type body soaps on the weekend and used one on my hair this morning! It was a chocolate & coconut bar. Not sure of the ingredients. Was interesting. Gave me a slightly waxy finish but that meant more clumping than normal. I tend to have stringy clumps. Probably dropped the curl out slightly too, which again isn't a bad thing as I want to drop my curls into waves. I like my low poo shampoo though (Mastey Triate) so doubt I will use the soap every time I want to shampoo. Was fun though!! Have a couple of different flavours to try out.
Originally Posted by Feralcurls
ACV or citric acid rinse helps to minimize the waxiness. You hair acclimates to the bars and it gets better. I'm on my fifth week with them, depending on the bar--I may not get it at all.
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ACV or citric acid rinse helps to minimize the waxiness. You hair acclimates to the bars and it gets better. I'm on my fifth week with them, depending on the bar--I may not get it at all.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Ooh I didn't realize that the waxiness could invariably be a non issue. It didn't bother me much since it doesn't feel like a build up waxy feeling but it's nice to know that it goes away in time. I'll have to experiment with and without the ACV rinse after.
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I can only speak for what Chagrin Valley says on their site - their soap bars have more butter/oil content than the shampoo bars, and are more moisturizing for hypercurly hair (that would be mine).
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Thanks, Del! Just saved my lazy butt from having to search for that thread!!!!! ('cuz I don't know about you, but the website is wicked slow for me right now... could be a local issue, tho')
Thanks, Del! Just saved my lazy butt from having to search for that thread!!!!! ('cuz I don't know about you, but the website is wicked slow for me right now... could be a local issue, tho')
Originally Posted by wavycurly40+
trying to do a search is so EXHAUSTING on here sometimes!!
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I agree with what Suburbanbushbabe reported from the CV site. I find that most of the soap bars I've tried that say they are superfatted, or contain extra moisturization for skin, are much better for my dry hair. I had an issue with *heavy* hair the first week, and then, as Kathymack indicated, I guess my hair acclimated itself. I think I prefer the natural soap bars to those touted as shampoo bars, and I love the fact that it basically eliminates 2 to 3 bottles, especially when travelling...What I really enjoy is trying them all out -fairly cheap way to do hair experimentation, lol!
Hi!! This is actually my first post here, but thought I'd jump right in.

I actually make handmade soap - mostly from olive oil. But I make a shampoo bar that is 3/4 olive and 1/4 or so coconut oil, along with apple juice and rosemary!

Most of what you buy at the drugstore or wal mart is NOT real soap. For example, a company like Ivory will strip the glycerin out of the soap and sell it separately as a by-product. which is a shame, it's what makes soap so nice!

If I'm on an every other day shampoo schedule, I can use my own bar soaps without conditioner! And I have very fine frizzy hair.

Your water quality has a lot to do with it too ... handmade soap and hard water can make your hair "squeaky."

Hope that helps! I love to talk soap, message me if you have any questions.
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My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.

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