L'oreal Vive Pro Nutri Gloss conditioner - I might be in love!

Browsing through the shelves at my local Wal Mart, I was looking for a protein-rich conditioner that was CG as well. You would be AMAZED to find that there are about three that didn't cost an arm and a leg (Nexxus Keraphix was my next choice because they didn't carry Emergencee, but at 17 bucks just wasn't an option this week).

After about ten minutes of ingredient scouring, a pair of very sore eyes, and a headache the size of the Eiffel Tower, I had a yellow bottle of L'oreal Vive Pro Hydra Gloss in my hands when I spotted a Barbie doll pink bottle on the bottom shelf, almost hiding. It said "pearl protein complex" and "for medium to long hair with curls or waves". Well YAY! That's me! Best of all?? NO CONES!!!

I got to try it for the first time tonight. It's thick - VERY thick. And very rich and creamy-feeling. It has a light floral scent, but it's not overpowering (I'm not a big fan of florals, and I didn't object at all). The best thing though, was when I went to brush it through with my Denman. There weren't ANY tangles! It was like they just dissolved! Then, when I rinsed it out, it was just...gone. No residue or slimy feel at all, but still soft and silky. Clean feeling, but well-conditioned.

And when I went to brush my KY in, my Denman slipped right through. That never happens when I have nothing but water in my hair. NEVER!

Now yes, in the recent past I used sulfates and cones, but even the conditioners with dimethicone that I was using didn't feel this good. I'm really hoping that my hair can cope with this conditioner just a little while...until I can make my $150 KBB order!
BB


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BSL/Mid Back, thick 3a/b

Botticelli Botanicals Meringue
Botticelli Botanicals Smoothie
Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd w/ double avocado oil and double agave
Botticelli Botanicals Lime in the Coconut Butter

Last edited by BotticelliBabe; 10-14-2008 at 04:50 PM.
You know, I really like the Vive haircare line. They are very low in cones and work beautifully--as well as conditioners that are super rich in cones.

I like the (now discontinued) Vive Smooth Intense Mask. I was interested in this new Vive Pro line since it has received a lot of buzz and the ingredients looked good. Once a good sale hits, I'm def. going to buy--your recommendations always work well for me, BB. Keep us posted!
I've used and liked the one in the yellow bottle. Do want to try the pink one. They have a range with bee pollen in it too that looks interesting.
Ok - I did a little research this morning (I was too tired last night) to find out why it's "ok" to use amodimethicone as opposed to other cones.

I found this Curl Chemist article:

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...ized-silicones

But I think this is the most important paragraph in order to understand the big question that lays heavy on all CGs minds - will it build up?

"Once the amine-functional silicone is deposited onto the surface of the hair, it spreads out and forms a cross linked film when it dries. This cross linked film can last through several washings, which is considered to be advantageous in most applications. A unique property of these polymers is that once in place on the surface of the hair, they repel further deposition of amine-functional polymers on top of the existing layer, preventing buildup. This cross-linked film seals moisture inside the hair shaft, holding the cuticle flat and providing excellent wet and dry comb-ability. An additional benefit of these silicones over other cationic polymers (such as polyquats) is their high refractive index, which gives the hair a high degree of gloss and shine."

And if you have a few minutes, a quick read through this thread can help to straighten things out even further.

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...d.php?p=645615

So from what I understand, amodimethicone is fairly specialized and pretty hard to build up. Of course, every curly is different, and it can build up on some, but it's unlikely given its chemical composition and properties.

There! We have what seems to be an answer! *lol*
BB


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BSL/Mid Back, thick 3a/b

Botticelli Botanicals Meringue
Botticelli Botanicals Smoothie
Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd w/ double avocado oil and double agave
Botticelli Botanicals Lime in the Coconut Butter
Did they change the formula recently? Because about three months ago I got the exact same thing, except there were no 'cones in it. I guess it's out for me, because I don't use any cones except water soluble ones, because I don't know if I would recognize buildup if I got it! Lol.
3A, medium fine. Currently avoiding shampoos, 'cones, 'xanes and sulfates. Hair length - a bit beyond BSL. Mostly CG since July 2, 2008.
You know Rose, I went and checked my bottle to be sure, because I was fairly certain that when I picked it in up the store, I KNEW it was CG. You know what? I was right. The bottle I JUST bought and used last night is completely cone-free. Yay! I got the amodimethicone from the ingredients list at walgreens.com, but who really knows if that's right unless you find a bottle with the same ingredients.

Anyway, the one I just got is absolutely CG! Now that I know how it makes my hair feel (yummy, soft, and totally touchable, BTW!), and that it gives me great definition and curls even when I air dry (!), you had better believe I'll be getting more next week when we go shopping again. Besides - right now, it's a bonus-sized bottle with the big "33% more free" banner on it. So double yay!

Oh yeah - and I plopped overnight an then air dried the rest of the way, and I haven't done that in months because any water left behind just elongates my curls. Not this time! Maybe it isn't as curly as it would have been if I had plopped until dry or pixiecurled, but it's still nothing to be ashamed of - I'd totally wear it in public!
BB


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BSL/Mid Back, thick 3a/b

Botticelli Botanicals Meringue
Botticelli Botanicals Smoothie
Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd w/ double avocado oil and double agave
Botticelli Botanicals Lime in the Coconut Butter

Last edited by BotticelliBabe; 10-29-2008 at 04:32 PM.
Heeeeeeeeey, Botticelli Babe... I remembered reading your post in here, and even though this turned out NOT to have a cone in it, I came across something else that I thought I should share...

"Type of silicone / water soluable ? / products which will remove it from hair:
  1. cyclomethicone / no / cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, other mild surfactants or conditioner washing
  2. Ped-modified dimethicone / yes / cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, other mild surfactants or conditioner washing
  3. Dimethicone copolyol / yes / cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, other mild surfactants or conditioner washing
Ones that will need sulfate shampoos to remove them:
  1. Dimethicone / no / SLS, SLES, cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, ALS or ALES
  2. Dimithiconol / no / SLS, SLES, cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, ALS or ALES
  3. Phenyl Trimethicone / No / SLS, SLES, cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, ALS or ALES
  4. Amodimethicone / No / SLS, SLES, cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, ALS or ALES "
Apparently the a-cone isn't so water soluable. Something to keep in mind for future products...
CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
Heeeeeeeeey, Botticelli Babe... I remembered reading your post in here, and even though this turned out NOT to have a cone in it, I came across something else that I thought I should share...

"Type of silicone / water soluable ? / products which will remove it from hair:
  1. cyclomethicone / no / cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, other mild surfactants or conditioner washing
  2. Ped-modified dimethicone / yes / cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, other mild surfactants or conditioner washing
  3. Dimethicone copolyol / yes / cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, other mild surfactants or conditioner washing
Ones that will need sulfate shampoos to remove them:
  1. Dimethicone / no / SLS, SLES, cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, ALS or ALES
  2. Dimithiconol / no / SLS, SLES, cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, ALS or ALES
  3. Phenyl Trimethicone / No / SLS, SLES, cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, ALS or ALES
  4. Amodimethicone / No / SLS, SLES, cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, ALS or ALES "
Apparently the a-cone isn't so water soluable. Something to keep in mind for future products...
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Hey Mims! Yeah, I knew it wasn't water soluble, but knowing that made me wonder why so much Deva stuff used it. Apparently it's the tendency it has to not build up, what with its chemical composition and all. I can see how you'd need at least coco-betaine to remove it if it did build up on you, or you wanted to clarify and remove all traces of cones though.

I'm just gonna hope that the formula of this one hasn't really been changed and keep buying it as long as it doesn't!
BB


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BSL/Mid Back, thick 3a/b

Botticelli Botanicals Meringue
Botticelli Botanicals Smoothie
Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd w/ double avocado oil and double agave
Botticelli Botanicals Lime in the Coconut Butter

Last edited by BotticelliBabe; 10-13-2008 at 05:50 PM.
SO glad you said it is very thick or you know I woulda been out looking for it.
Current Products: CJ Products: CF, DF, CT, SG, AFG, CIAB AND CK is back!
Current Experiment: S&C by D

Curl Fix and Daily Fix are my HGs


Sulphate and cone free since July 2007

wavy/curly fine texture/medium porosity/medium-low density

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Seek not to change the world. Rather seek to change your mind about the world.
They're a nice thickness (for me between Suave Naturals & Activate Hydrating thickness, which is close to perfect) & yes they're moisturizing, but their fragrance is much too strong.
OH.

MY.

GAWD.

Ok, many (if not all) of you know that I have horrendous tangling issues on the underside of my hair where it rubs against my shoulders, right? Well, get this - I was about to get ready for bed and plop a pineapple, like I always do. I instinctively went to grab my brush to detangle that section before wetting it for plopping, when I realized...THERE AREN'T ANY TANGLES!!!

My hair is still silky soft and smooth, and I didn't use any cones! Cripes - even when I WAS using cones, they never worked this well. Aw crap...now I'm gonna have to buy every bottle of this stuff until I see the a-cone in the ingredient list. *lol* DH is gonna have a FIT!

whatsercurl, you might want to give this stuff a shot anyway. It's THAT good.

LL, I'm kind of surprised you found the scent to be too strong. Do you have a sensitive sniffer? I actually thought it was a little muted as opposed to most haircare products.
BB


http://www.BotticelliBotanicals.etsy.com
BSL/Mid Back, thick 3a/b

Botticelli Botanicals Meringue
Botticelli Botanicals Smoothie
Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd w/ double avocado oil and double agave
Botticelli Botanicals Lime in the Coconut Butter
Damn you!!!

I am begrudgingly putting it on my list of things to try but I am NOT REPEAT NOT even looking for it until my Kenra is gone.
Current Products: CJ Products: CF, DF, CT, SG, AFG, CIAB AND CK is back!
Current Experiment: S&C by D

Curl Fix and Daily Fix are my HGs


Sulphate and cone free since July 2007

wavy/curly fine texture/medium porosity/medium-low density

http://public.fotki.com/whatsercurl/

PW: wavycurly

Seek not to change the world. Rather seek to change your mind about the world.
Heeheeeeeee! Just think, if it doesn't work as great for you as it did for me, at least it didn't cost a ton of moolah. But if it DOES work....

Yeah, it's thick. But it distributes really nicely despite that. I was just in shock last night when I reached for the brush and then found out I didn't need it! It was amazing!
BB


http://www.BotticelliBotanicals.etsy.com
BSL/Mid Back, thick 3a/b

Botticelli Botanicals Meringue
Botticelli Botanicals Smoothie
Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd w/ double avocado oil and double agave
Botticelli Botanicals Lime in the Coconut Butter
Browsing through the shelves at my local Wal Mart, I was looking for a protein-rich conditioner that was CG as well. You would be AMAZED to find that there are about three that didn't cost an arm and a leg (Nexxus Keraphix was my next choice because they didn't carry Emergencee, but at 17 bucks just wasn't an option this week).

After about ten minutes of ingredient scouring, a pair of very sore eyes, and a headache the size of the Eiffel Tower, I had a yellow bottle of L'oreal Vive Pro Hydra Gloss in my hands when I spotted a Barbie doll pink bottle on the bottom shelf, almost hiding. It said "pearl protein complex" and "for medium to long hair with curls or waves". Well YAY! That's me! It has amodimethicone as the third ingredient, but Deva uses that, so...how bad could it be for curlies, right?

I got to try it for the first time tonight. It's thick - VERY thick. And very rich and creamy-feeling. It has a light floral scent, but it's not overpowering (I'm not a big fan of florals, and I didn't object at all). The best thing though, was when I went to brush it through with my Denman. There weren't ANY tangles! It was like they just dissolved! Then, when I rinsed it out, it was just...gone. No residue or slimy feel at all, but still soft and silky. Clean feeling, but well-conditioned.

And when I went to brush my KY in, my Denman slipped right through. That never happens when I have nothing but water in my hair. NEVER! I just pray the a-cone doesn't build up on me, but I figured if Deva can use the a-cone, then I would give it a shot. If it does build up, I'll have to use my Giovanni TTTT to clarify more often, but I really hope I don't need to.

Now yes, in the recent past I used sulfates and cones, but even the conditioners with dimethicone that I was using didn't feel this good. I'm really hoping that my hair can cope with the a-cone just a little while...until I can make my $150 KBB order!
Originally Posted by BotticelliBabe
Isnt the yellow bottle also for curly but fine? I cannot remember.
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I had a yellow bottle of L'oreal Vive Pro Hydra Gloss in my hands when I spotted a Barbie doll pink bottle on the bottom shelf, almost hiding. It said "pearl protein complex" and "for medium to long hair with curls or waves". Well YAY! That's me!
Originally Posted by BotticelliBabe
Isnt the yellow bottle also for curly but fine? I cannot remember.
Originally Posted by xcptnl
Well, yellow is Hydra Gloss, and pink is Nutri Gloss. They had two varieties of pink - one was medium to long hair with curls or waves, and the other was for straight hair, but I don't recall if it was for fine hair or not. My poor head was spinning by the time I finally found what I was looking for - too many ingredient lists will do that to you!
BB


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BSL/Mid Back, thick 3a/b

Botticelli Botanicals Meringue
Botticelli Botanicals Smoothie
Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd w/ double avocado oil and double agave
Botticelli Botanicals Lime in the Coconut Butter
Ok, I just got through digging my LVP Nutri Gloss out of the trash - no kidding! I was using it before CG and finally threw it out yesterday.
I checked the ingredients and since I'm not a chemist, it looks pretty scary (alcohol and palm oil were the only things that I could understand, and I don't think either of them are ideal).
I'll keep checking this thread to see how it goes for you guys, maybe I'll give it another shot.
April
3a/b, med texture, med porosity, low dews



Ok, I just got through digging my LVP Nutri Gloss out of the trash - no kidding! I was using it before CG and finally threw it out yesterday.
I checked the ingredients and since I'm not a chemist, it looks pretty scary (alcohol and palm oil were the only things that I could understand, and I don't think either of them are ideal).
I'll keep checking this thread to see how it goes for you guys, maybe I'll give it another shot.
Originally Posted by AprilnUtah
Not all alcohols are bad/drying ones - in fact, there are quite a few in conditioners that are fatty alcohols that actually help your hair. The palm oil I don't recall seeing, but I can check my bottle again in a bit. Does it say hydrogenated or PEG- in front of it? Because that would make a difference too.

I've gotten pretty good at reading ingredients, and I don't remember seeing anything (not even polyquats) that raised a red flag for me, but like I said, my head was spinning at the time, and I may have missed something. I think I was just more shocked than anything else that a new conditioner formula that claimed to leave your hair with a mirror shine didn't have a single cone in it!
BB


http://www.BotticelliBotanicals.etsy.com
BSL/Mid Back, thick 3a/b

Botticelli Botanicals Meringue
Botticelli Botanicals Smoothie
Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd w/ double avocado oil and double agave
Botticelli Botanicals Lime in the Coconut Butter
Ok, I just got through digging my LVP Nutri Gloss out of the trash - no kidding! I was using it before CG and finally threw it out yesterday.
I checked the ingredients and since I'm not a chemist, it looks pretty scary (alcohol and palm oil were the only things that I could understand, and I don't think either of them are ideal).
I'll keep checking this thread to see how it goes for you guys, maybe I'll give it another shot.
Originally Posted by AprilnUtah
Not all alcohols are bad/drying ones - in fact, there are quite a few in conditioners that are fatty alcohols that actually help your hair. The palm oil I don't recall seeing, but I can check my bottle again in a bit. Does it say hydrogenated or PEG- in front of it? Because that would make a difference too.

I've gotten pretty good at reading ingredients, and I don't remember seeing anything (not even polyquats) that raised a red flag for me, but like I said, my head was spinning at the time, and I may have missed something. I think I was just more shocked than anything else that a new conditioner formula that claimed to leave your hair with a mirror shine didn't have a single cone in it!
Originally Posted by BotticelliBabe
I'm new to reading ingredients and don't have a clue what's good and what isn't most of the time, so I'm sure you're right on this.
The ingredients are: water, behentrimonium chloride, stearyl alcohol & cetyl alcohol, palm oil, glycerin, and the rest is just too much to type, lol.
Anyway, if it's working that's all that matters. I'm all for finding something cheap and local, I could have had something nice for all the money I've spent on shipping charges for products in the last couple of weeks!
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April
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Last edited by AprilnUtah; 10-14-2008 at 11:30 AM.
The ingredients are: water, behentrimonium chloride, stearyl alcohol & cetyl alcohol, palm oil, glycerin, and the rest is just too much to type, lol.
Originally Posted by AprilnUtah
I don't have my bottle right here, but that sounds right to me. The stearyl and cetyl alcohols are fatty ones - they're fine (more info on them at www.jessicurl.com, if you're interested).

The palm oil...that I'm not sure about. I suppose any oil could build up on anyone, but how to know who it will build up on and how long it'll take? Combine that with the fact that I don't recall anyone ever talking about it here since I've been around, and I'm kind of left with a huge question mark over my head.

I guess I know what I'll be researching today!
BB


http://www.BotticelliBotanicals.etsy.com
BSL/Mid Back, thick 3a/b

Botticelli Botanicals Meringue
Botticelli Botanicals Smoothie
Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd w/ double avocado oil and double agave
Botticelli Botanicals Lime in the Coconut Butter
Ok, in my (very) quick search here at NC, I found out that Ojon uses palm oil in nearly everything they make. Being that Ojon is known for being curl-friendly (and popular at CurlMart), I'm gonna make a gut reaction post and say that the palm oil is OK, too. I'll research more when my little curly girl is napping, but I just wanted you to know what I found out so far.

ETA: "Ojon products are made with palm nut oil produced by the Tawira people and help improve hair’s strength, moisture, shine and reduce breakage." Now we know what the palm oil does!
BB


http://www.BotticelliBotanicals.etsy.com
BSL/Mid Back, thick 3a/b

Botticelli Botanicals Meringue
Botticelli Botanicals Smoothie
Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd w/ double avocado oil and double agave
Botticelli Botanicals Lime in the Coconut Butter

Last edited by BotticelliBabe; 10-14-2008 at 11:35 AM.

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