Help for curls living in a dry climate...zero humidity

Thank you for chiming in. I now feel that I am on the right track thanks to all these great posts and feel very optimistic in receiving the KC products.

Yes, we'll definitely have to stay in touch. We can send each other dew point alerts if we *ever* see the dew point rise above 40.
Originally Posted by Lunacurl
LMAO - yep. That'll be the day... I know there's a site that will predict the dew points for the day...

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/...st?query=80902

That's, of course, for Colorado Springs. If you look on the right side, there's a link to hourly information for each day. Click on that, and there's a neato graph that shows humidity AND dew point. Kathymack posted that in the humidity vs. dew point thread from yore.



Hair is best when wabi-sabi.
2b/2c at this length, more 3a when shorter
M/C ii

Mod CG: Sept 08
Using: Suave co-wash, GVP Conditioning Balm, Lustrasilk OOC, MGA, BRHG
Humectants: @ dew point 40+
My blog for dry climate curlies and growing out a pixie: Colorado Curly
Personally, I feel that relative humidity does not matter as much with hair as dew point does.

Dew point cannot be higher than the actual air temperature. So, if it is a rainy 40 degree day, the relative humidity may be near 100%, which would make some think that it is humid. But, the dew point cannot be above 40 at that point, so it won't feel humid the way a hot summer day in the southeast will. The air temperature just isn't high enough to allow for a high dew point.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
I think what bothered me the most was WHY. WHY is it that this is true, and WHY does it matter? Then it hit me (I think, LOL)! I'm an elementary school teacher, and we're currently talking about the water cycle and weather. As the air temperature increases, that allows for more water molecules to be held in the air, am I right? (Weather is definitely NOT my teaching strength, LOL! Give me planetary motion and eclipses any day...)
Originally Posted by ReddishRocks
Essentially, yes. The air can only hold its temperature worth in water. If there is a high dew point, and the temperature cools too much, you see dew, or fog and whatnot.

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/gu...fcobs/dwp.rxml

http://www.wmur.com/askthemeteorolog...93/detail.html

I put in a couple of interesting links that are strictly weather related. No hair.

The graph/chart is just something I made up this morning while typing, but I feel somewhat comfortable with it to use as a beginning guideline. I hope to hear more input from the werstern curlies because I base it on my experience as an eastern curly, and by what I read here. We do seem to have more eastern curlies actively posting though.

If enough of us give input, the chart can be tweaked.

It's not unlike the humidity graph on the nc homepage, but I am guessing that it is more relative humidity based. I may be wrong. It wasn't working for me right now, so I couldn't check.

I'm glad that the info was useful. I worried that I couldn't explain it clearly. I have a predeliction for run-on sentences. Combine that with explaining science, and there can be trouble!

I think the planetary system is quite cool! I get so excited to see an eclipse, lol.
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Personally, I feel that relative humidity does not matter as much with hair as dew point does.

Dew point cannot be higher than the actual air temperature. So, if it is a rainy 40 degree day, the relative humidity may be near 100%, which would make some think that it is humid. But, the dew point cannot be above 40 at that point, so it won't feel humid the way a hot summer day in the southeast will. The air temperature just isn't high enough to allow for a high dew point.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
I think what bothered me the most was WHY. WHY is it that this is true, and WHY does it matter? Then it hit me (I think, LOL)! I'm an elementary school teacher, and we're currently talking about the water cycle and weather. As the air temperature increases, that allows for more water molecules to be held in the air, am I right? (Weather is definitely NOT my teaching strength, LOL! Give me planetary motion and eclipses any day...)
Originally Posted by ReddishRocks
Essentially, yes. The air can only hold its temperature worth in water. If there is a high dew point, and the temperature cools too much, you see dew, or fog and whatnot.

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/maps/sfcobs/dwp.rxml

http://www.wmur.com/askthemeteorolog...93/detail.html

I put in a couple of interesting links that are strictly weather related. No hair.

The graph/chart is just something I made up this morning while typing, but I feel somewhat comfortable with it to use as a beginning guideline. I hope to hear more input from the werstern curlies because I base it on my experience as an eastern curly, and by what I read here. We do seem to have more eastern curlies actively posting though.

If enough of us give input, the chart can be tweaked.

It's not unlike the humidity graph on the nc homepage, but I am guessing that it is more relative humidity based. I may be wrong. It wasn't working for me right now, so I couldn't check.

I'm glad that the info was useful. I worried that I couldn't explain it clearly. I have a predeliction for run-on sentences. Combine that with explaining science, and there can be trouble!

I think the planetary system is quite cool! I get so excited to see an eclipse, lol.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Thanks for the reply - I found the second link especially useful. I'm constantly telling my students - We learn Math so we can do Science! No one ever asked me why we do Science... and now I know. We do Science so we can do our HAIR!

The dew point was atrociously low earlier this week. I mean, single digits and I even saw a negative in there. I'm going to try to make a habit of watching the dew point, and I'll report back if I have any interesting findings.



Hair is best when wabi-sabi.
2b/2c at this length, more 3a when shorter
M/C ii

Mod CG: Sept 08
Using: Suave co-wash, GVP Conditioning Balm, Lustrasilk OOC, MGA, BRHG
Humectants: @ dew point 40+
My blog for dry climate curlies and growing out a pixie: Colorado Curly
Again, I'm late to the party but I'm going to throw my 2 cents in anyway. I live in Utah and have my whole life, so I've never known anything but arid weather. Here is what I've discovered as my products that consistently work well for me.

The DevaCurl line work okay, but I only saw waves out of them. Now that I've gone more natural (not completely), my hair is more like 3a instead of 2b/2c/with a little 3a thrown in now and again.

I love shampoo bars. They are by far the best thing for me ever to have tried. I don't always do an ACV rinse. I'm just too lazy some days. Didn't notice much difference one way or another.

I also love the KBB products. I end up using more than recommended. I use about 4 pumps of the milk as a rinse-out and about 1 1/2-2 pumps of the nectar as a leave-in. I left my Cream up in Seattle and it won't be back here until Tuesday, so I don't have any experience to add to that.

I also use Nature's Gate conditioners for a switch-up.
For stylers I like re:coil, Alagio Crazy Curl Balm, KCCC, Set it Free, and occasionally use Angell and ArcAngell with B-Leave In.

For DT's I like Moptop Deep Conditioner, Deva Heaven in Hair, Biolage (or knockoff) Conditioning Balm, Joico (or knockoff) KPak Reconstructor (I use this only for a protein treatment, not a DT, but beware, this has mineral oil, so you will have to shampoo it out. I just love what it does to my hair so much I deal with having to shampoo.
2B...ish
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Products
This area is under construction as my hair type changed and nothing works well for me. I shampoo, I condition and pretty much have done nothing but chuck my hair in a messy bun for the past oh...year? Yeah, I'm that lazy.

No...going no-poo or CG does not work for me. It leaves me overconditioned and oily in a second no matter what I use, so that's not what's not working.
My hair used to be a solid 3b when I lived on the East Coast. Corkscrew and Botticelli curls *easy*. But now, living in dry Colorado, my hair is simply wavy at best. It's really disappointing. I've tried plopping, various gels, creams, diffusing upside down, not diffusing, etc, etc. I'm at my wits end.

Is there anyone in the same situation who has a solution? Which products do you use? Which routine do you use? I would really, REALLY appreciate it!!

Never in my wildest dreams would I think I would ever say this, but I MISS the humidity.

Thank you!!
Originally Posted by Lunacurl


Hello! I also live in Colorado. I have noticed a huge difference in my hair since going cg. I am currently using shampoo bars from chagrin valley and totally loving them! I usually condish after washing and then do a leave in and gel.. Hope this helps!
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Hello! I also live in Colorado. I have noticed a huge difference in my hair since going cg. I am currently using shampoo bars from chagrin valley and totally loving them! I usually condish after washing and then do a leave in and gel.. Hope this helps!
Originally Posted by curlykey
Yay! Another Colorado Curly! What conditioner, leave-in and gel are you using?

Edit: DUH, in your signature! Do you think the LVPNG is enough?? I can't decide...



Hair is best when wabi-sabi.
2b/2c at this length, more 3a when shorter
M/C ii

Mod CG: Sept 08
Using: Suave co-wash, GVP Conditioning Balm, Lustrasilk OOC, MGA, BRHG
Humectants: @ dew point 40+
My blog for dry climate curlies and growing out a pixie: Colorado Curly
Although PA does not get as dry as what the west does, I think this is quite important. It matters more for me in the summer.

Personally, I feel that relative humidity does not matter as much with hair as dew point does.

Dew point cannot be higher than the actual air temperature. So, if it is a rainy 40 degree day, the relative humidity may be near 100%, which would make some think that it is humid. But, the dew point cannot be above 40 at that point, so it won't feel humid the way a hot summer day in the southeast will. The air temperature just isn't high enough to allow for a high dew point.

From anecdotal evidence I've seen here and from personal experience, curls seem to like dew points in the 40s-50s. When dew points hit the mid 60s (what most people would consider "sticky" for comfort purposes) people will start noticing high-humidity frizz, which could be more accurately called high dew point frizz.

Dew points in the 30s will be ok for some, and too dry for other curlies, who start noticing limp curls from the dryness. From the low 30's and down, the air is very dry, and most will notice some loss of curl.

Right now, the dew point in Boulder is 12, which is extremely dry. Dew points like this can really cause serious curl loss. Moisture is key in this type of climate, and most will have to experiment to see how they can add and reatin moisture in their hair.

If it were me, I'd play with aloe & oil combos. One to give moisture, and oils to retain it. But, I live in the east, so my advice is worth little when it comes to real life application of low dew points.

I used to want to be a meteorologist, so I do get dew points.

If I had to make it simple, I'd start with these guidelines

Dew point mid 30's and below - more moisture, less humectants. Find a balance between appropriate moisture and overconditioning.

Dew points 40-50's into low 60s. Opitmal curl formation. Easier maintenance and can balance moisture and humectants.

Dew points mid 60's and up. Humectants as tolerated, thought they can backfire for some in extreme high dew points. Generalloy, less moisture is needed than for the low dew points.

Of course, no curly guidlines hold true for all curlies, so YMMV.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
This is absolutely PHENOMENAL information!!! Thank you SO MUCH!!! When I first started reading your post I thought it would go way over my head, but as I read on I understood thanks to your excellent description. No wonder my curls have turned into waves at best. Darn dew point! Now I know what to keep an eye on and hope for 40's and 50's dew point days. And in the meantime I'll have to moisturize and seal.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. Thank you!!
Originally Posted by Lunacurl
ITA- I really DIDN'T want to have to understand this It seemed way to complicated and my obsession with hair is already out of control. I think understanding this info will actually HELP to be LESS obsessed in a way because it actually explains WHY products seem to stop working. In reality, it may not be the products themselves just user error in reaching for the wrong stuff at the wrong time.

THANK YOU RCC!!! I will be watching the DEW and I've saved your simple explanation cuz it's gonna take a while for me to memorize this!!
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CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
My hair used to be a solid 3b when I lived on the East Coast. Corkscrew and Botticelli curls *easy*. But now, living in dry Colorado, my hair is simply wavy at best. It's really disappointing. I've tried plopping, various gels, creams, diffusing upside down, not diffusing, etc, etc. I'm at my wits end.

Is there anyone in the same situation who has a solution? Which products do you use? Which routine do you use? I would really, REALLY appreciate it!!

Never in my wildest dreams would I think I would ever say this, but I MISS the humidity.

Thank you!!
Originally Posted by Lunacurl


Hello! I also live in Colorado. I have noticed a huge difference in my hair since going cg. I am currently using shampoo bars from chagrin valley and totally loving them! I usually condish after washing and then do a leave in and gel.. Hope this helps!
Originally Posted by curlykey
Thank you!! I've been CG since 2002, so I shutter to think what my hair would be like in Colorado if I wasn't CG.

I haven't used any of the poo bars that everyone seems to be talking about. I think I'll have a look at the chagrin valley you recommend. I'm always up for trying new products!!
CG since 2002
True 3b, but looser curls since moving to drier climate. BSL thick, medium-course hair with some 2C/3a on canopy.

-co-wash w/Devacurl No-Poo
-condition w/KCKT or AOHR
-i never use a leave in
-style with a drop of Pink Boots, followed by a modest amount of KCCC, topped with a small dollop of Devacurl Angell
-plop and diffuse
**likes: everything above. dislikes: glycerin, BRHG, KBB**

Last edited by Lunacurl; 11-11-2008 at 11:53 AM.
I am using L'oreal vive pro nutri-gloss condish for long/wavy hair. I use the generic of sebastian potion #9 as a leave in, and I am using the biotera gel but also like the HEBE....I just bought some aloe vera gel and am thinking of making my own gel--flaxseed and jojoba....I'll let you know how it turns out (it may take me a while to post )
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Hello! I also live in Colorado. I have noticed a huge difference in my hair since going cg. I am currently using shampoo bars from chagrin valley and totally loving them! I usually condish after washing and then do a leave in and gel.. Hope this helps!
Originally Posted by curlykey
Yay! Another Colorado Curly! What conditioner, leave-in and gel are you using?

Edit: DUH, in your signature! Do you think the LVPNG is enough?? I can't decide...
Originally Posted by ReddishRocks
Have you tried the LVPNG? Yes it is definitely enough for me....sometimes I leave some of it in and still add the other leave-in.
$5 off first order at iherb use code KEY066
Hello! I also live in Colorado. I have noticed a huge difference in my hair since going cg. I am currently using shampoo bars from chagrin valley and totally loving them! I usually condish after washing and then do a leave in and gel.. Hope this helps!
Originally Posted by curlykey
Yay! Another Colorado Curly! What conditioner, leave-in and gel are you using?

Edit: DUH, in your signature! Do you think the LVPNG is enough?? I can't decide...
Originally Posted by ReddishRocks
Have you tried the LVPNG? Yes it is definitely enough for me....sometimes I leave some of it in and still add the other leave-in.
Originally Posted by curlykey
I have tried it a few times, but then I got my KBB stuff. I'm reeeeeally coarse and dry right now, so I'm looking for serious moisture at the moment. I just bought Lustrasilk Olive Oil Cholesterol treatment... gonna give that a shot as a DT tonight. Guess we'll see!



Hair is best when wabi-sabi.
2b/2c at this length, more 3a when shorter
M/C ii

Mod CG: Sept 08
Using: Suave co-wash, GVP Conditioning Balm, Lustrasilk OOC, MGA, BRHG
Humectants: @ dew point 40+
My blog for dry climate curlies and growing out a pixie: Colorado Curly

Yay! Another Colorado Curly! What conditioner, leave-in and gel are you using?

Edit: DUH, in your signature! Do you think the LVPNG is enough?? I can't decide...
Originally Posted by ReddishRocks
Have you tried the LVPNG? Yes it is definitely enough for me....sometimes I leave some of it in and still add the other leave-in.
Originally Posted by curlykey
I have tried it a few times, but then I got my KBB stuff. I'm reeeeeally coarse and dry right now, so I'm looking for serious moisture at the moment. I just bought Lustrasilk Olive Oil Cholesterol treatment... gonna give that a shot as a DT tonight. Guess we'll see!
Originally Posted by ReddishRocks

Let me know how the lustrasilk works for you.....by the way I love your website! Very helpful...as a matter of fact, I think my hair is more medium and all along I thought it was coarse...Thanks again!.....oh btw have you tried the bioinfusion conditioners?...I am thinking of buying the hydrating treatment and the rosemary mint naturals since they are on sale right now...
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So what products are you using currently in this weather?
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I have the same problem too, I just moved into Denver, I have 2c-3a hair, I'm SUFFERING with my hair but they say coconut oil helps,please if you have found a solution, let me know and I will let you know when I do

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