2nd Day hair...am I the only one that cannot get it?

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I'm not a perfectionist, but I love the satin sleep cap. Second day hair is a given, and can be stretched out to third and fourth.
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This happens to me too! I thought I was the only one... but I'm glad to know I'm not alone. To counteract this, headbands have become my best friend - I use them to cover up my limp, not wavy roots on the second day. Third day I use them to keep the flyways at bay while my hair is in a ponytail (This is what I'm doing now - I should take a pic for my fotki).
Originally Posted by Kasey314
Please share a picture! I'm another abject failure at second-day hair. Mine is mostly 3B, some 3C, but it is really fine and get's smashed and stretched really easily when I pineapple. No amount of re-wetting and/or smoothing products ever helps, because the weird parts don't clump with the rest of the hair. But it only happens near my roots.... so the ends look just dandy, but the rest is retarded I'm wondering if the This Is J headbands would work to disguise it, I know RCC uses them.
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I had a problem getting second day hair, but I have FINALLY found a way to do it. Have you tried completely rewetting, adding product, wet again, and then shake to dry? I wet my hair after I add product to reclump the curls that might have separated when I added product, which gets rid of frizz. My hair is beautiful on the second day when I do that. I haven't tried it for third day hair though... I like washing my hair
On the subject of thick vs. thin and thick vs. fine - how do you know what you have? I have a lot of hair, so I would say I have "thick" hair - but how do you know if the individual strands of your hair are thick or fine? I once tried to use the FIA system to figure this out, but it didn't really make sense to me.
Originally Posted by Kasey314
I found this this information. My hair is fine as I can barely see it or feel it. I also dont have much of it so I consider it thin.

The second classifier denotes the thickness of individual strands of your hair. Take a single strand of your hair, make sure it's clean (if it's been through a brush or comb it might not be) or the type may be skewed. Fine hair is barely visible if you hold it in front of your eyes, hardly shows up against a contrasting background and can barely be felt if you roll it between two fingers. Medium hair is easily visible, easily felt between the fingers, but still feels soft...it will feel similar to cotton thread when you roll it. Course hair is thicker, much easier to see against a background and may feel wiry but rarely ever slippery
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On the subject of thick vs. thin and thick vs. fine - how do you know what you have? I have a lot of hair, so I would say I have "thick" hair - but how do you know if the individual strands of your hair are thick or fine? I once tried to use the FIA system to figure this out, but it didn't really make sense to me.
This is what I have gone by (found on a fia hair typing website):

SECOND CLASSIFIER
What (most of) your individual strands look like

F - Fine
Thin strands that sometimes are almost translucent when held up to the light. Shed strands can be hard to see even against a contrasting background. Similar to hair found on many people of Scandinavian descent.

You can also try rolling a strand between your thumb and index finger. Fine hair is difficult to feel or itfeels like an ultra-fine strand of silk

M - Medium
Strands are neither fine nor coarse. Similar to hair found on many Caucasians.

You can also try rolling a strand between your thumb and index finger. Medium hair feels like a cotton thread. You can feel it, but it isn't stiff or rough. It is neither fine or coarse.

C - Coarse
Thick strands that where shed strands usually are easily identified against most backgrounds. Similar to hair found on many people of Asian or native American descent.

You can also try rolling a strand between your thumb and index finger. Coarse hair feels hard and wiry. As you roll it back and forth, you may actually hear it.
I am most definitely an F for fine! They even mention Scandinavian descent - and I'm Swedish by birth lol Did the "roll between your fingers" thing and I can barely feel the strand...

Looks like xcptnl beat me to it, ha ha ha
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i can't get it...my hair frizzes like crazy the next day. i almost have to redo it all. i think i will need to try a satin cap or something similar...
2nd day hair is a myth I tell you, A MYTH!!!!!!!!

Never managed it, cant understand how people do it either, I cannot go without a shower in the morning anyways.
I've never, ever, had any luck with second day hair. I find that when I wash my hair every day, my chances of having a good hair day are much greater than if I try and stretch out my poo days. So, you'r e not in this boat along.....
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This happens to me too! I thought I was the only one... but I'm glad to know I'm not alone. To counteract this, headbands have become my best friend - I use them to cover up my limp, not wavy roots on the second day. Third day I use them to keep the flyways at bay while my hair is in a ponytail (This is what I'm doing now - I should take a pic for my fotki).
Originally Posted by Kasey314
Please share a picture! I'm another abject failure at second-day hair. Mine is mostly 3B, some 3C, but it is really fine and get's smashed and stretched really easily when I pineapple. No amount of re-wetting and/or smoothing products ever helps, because the weird parts don't clump with the rest of the hair. But it only happens near my roots.... so the ends look just dandy, but the rest is retarded I'm wondering if the This Is J headbands would work to disguise it, I know RCC uses them.
Originally Posted by opera_curls
I love me some headbands!! Good grief, I own a ton of them.

If any root area gives me trouble, it would be area right above my ears. I just hide that sucker under the headband. My hair also tends to fall forward into my face, so the headbands help with that too.
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I love me some headbands!! Good grief, I own a ton of them.

If any root area gives me trouble, it would be area right above my ears. I just hide that sucker under the headband. My hair also tends to fall forward into my face, so the headbands help with that too.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
I've always worried that stretchy fabric headbands wouldn't look good with curly hair, but after seeing your fabulous pics, RCC, I feel brave enough to try it
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I like the stretchy headbands too.
... And I also have problems with the elusive second day hair.
My hair is fine, there's a lot of it, and it it pretty long (BSL). I have a feeling all of these factors contribute to my issues achieving second day hair. My hair frizzes and loses curl fairly easily, so when I pineapple I get the strange straight and funky bits some others have talked about, as well as added frizz. I also tend to get and oddly square shape to my hair ... not pretty.


I want to run away and join the Cirque.


Another perfectionist here. I don't even try to second day hair. I would probably spend more time trying to revive second-day hair than just starting over every morning.
Originally Posted by LoloDSM

That's totally me, I've never even tried to get 2nd day hair.
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Not happening here either. My frizz just takes on a life of it's own overnight and nothing but a complete re-do will do. I've tried rewetting and adding a bit more gel or whatever, but it's too knotty and messy and ends up looking producty. Ick.
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Second day hair hasn't ever been achieved for me. My individual strands are fairly fine, but I also have a ton of hair. As a result it gets weighed down easy and curly falls out.

Then again, I can't make plopping work for me either so maybe I am just challenged! However, I am thinking plopping might work best with long hair, whereas mine has been above my shoulders for awhile.
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I have to say that I've gotten pretty good at getting 2nd (and 3rd and 4th) day hair in the past few months, but in the past few days, I've done something jillipoo mentioned (thank you, jillipoo!), and it's really been making a huge difference in the shine and reduction of frizz in my multiple day hair.

Just before I pineapple at night, I use a little oil of some kind - the last two nights I used my homemade humectant hair butter - and I smooth it all over my hair, concentrating on the ends and the canopy (the driest parts). And when I say a little, I mean a LITTLE - like just enough to coat your hands. Anyway, then I pineapple, and scrunch in something on the ends - be it CK, KY, FOTE, homemade flaxseed gel, or another styler - and then I plop my pineapple into a breatheable cap of some kind (I think the aforementioned silk cap would work great for this). I sleep on it like that, and I don't take it down the next day until I have to go someplace, so the ends have a chance to really dry nicely.

When I do take it down, the ends are a tiny bit crunchy, but the crunch practically falls out with a touch of my fingers, and all of my hair is frizz free, shiny, bouncy, and really nicely clumped, but it's still not greasy at all. Plus, letting the ends dry tight like that really helps me keep my curl throughout the day.

Of course, my hair is uber long, but if you have anywhere from APL or longer hair, you should be able to do this in some form or another, even if you skip the pineapple and just plop into the breatheable cap.

Hope that helps somebody!
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I have tight coarse curls, but for some reason I just can't re-wet them. I always have to squeeze or do something to my hair to absorb the water, and doing that with dry hair just makes frizz. So instead of wet or damp curls, I get these droplets of water all over my head.

My expectations do seem high though. Perfect curls after 48 hours from when I took a shower and after sleeping? Probably not. I was complaining one day about how bad my hair looked and all my friends kept saying I was crazy since it 'looked great'.

I think instead about worrying about 2nd or higher day hair, I think I'll better spend my time getting an extra hour of sleep. Though since I'm on here trying to learn more about my hair at 11:00 pm, I really don't think that plan is working out!
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I sometimes get 2nd and 3rd day hair and then not again for weeks. It doesn't matter what products I use or what routine. The hair gods decide and no begging, pleading, or naked plopping dance can convince them otherwise.
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I sometimes get 2nd and 3rd day hair and then not again for weeks. It doesn't matter what products I use or what routine. The hair gods decide and no begging, pleading, or naked plopping dance can convince them otherwise.
Originally Posted by Speckla
LMAO - naked plop dance!
I have only ever achieved second day hair once or twice. Once I had an amazing amazing hair day. The curls formed perfectly with no frizz, and were really bouncy. I made a ponytail on top of my head before I went to bed, and the next morning I had decent hair. Still not as amazing as when I wash and style it, but passable. My curls aren't strong enough to withstand being slept on normally.



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On the subject of thick vs. thin and thick vs. fine - how do you know what you have? I have a lot of hair, so I would say I have "thick" hair - but how do you know if the individual strands of your hair are thick or fine? I once tried to use the FIA system to figure this out, but it didn't really make sense to me.
Originally Posted by Kasey314
I found this this information. My hair is fine as I can barely see it or feel it. I also dont have much of it so I consider it thin.

The second classifier denotes the thickness of individual strands of your hair. Take a single strand of your hair, make sure it's clean (if it's been through a brush or comb it might not be) or the type may be skewed. Fine hair is barely visible if you hold it in front of your eyes, hardly shows up against a contrasting background and can barely be felt if you roll it between two fingers. Medium hair is easily visible, easily felt between the fingers, but still feels soft...it will feel similar to cotton thread when you roll it. Course hair is thicker, much easier to see against a background and may feel wiry but rarely ever slippery
Originally Posted by xcptnl
On the subject of thick vs. thin and thick vs. fine - how do you know what you have? I have a lot of hair, so I would say I have "thick" hair - but how do you know if the individual strands of your hair are thick or fine? I once tried to use the FIA system to figure this out, but it didn't really make sense to me.
This is what I have gone by (found on a fia hair typing website):

SECOND CLASSIFIER
What (most of) your individual strands look like

F - Fine
Thin strands that sometimes are almost translucent when held up to the light. Shed strands can be hard to see even against a contrasting background. Similar to hair found on many people of Scandinavian descent.

You can also try rolling a strand between your thumb and index finger. Fine hair is difficult to feel or itfeels like an ultra-fine strand of silk

M - Medium
Strands are neither fine nor coarse. Similar to hair found on many Caucasians.

You can also try rolling a strand between your thumb and index finger. Medium hair feels like a cotton thread. You can feel it, but it isn't stiff or rough. It is neither fine or coarse.

C - Coarse
Thick strands that where shed strands usually are easily identified against most backgrounds. Similar to hair found on many people of Asian or native American descent.

You can also try rolling a strand between your thumb and index finger. Coarse hair feels hard and wiry. As you roll it back and forth, you may actually hear it.
I am most definitely an F for fine! They even mention Scandinavian descent - and I'm Swedish by birth lol Did the "roll between your fingers" thing and I can barely feel the strand...

Looks like xcptnl beat me to it, ha ha ha
Originally Posted by babybel
Thank you both for this explaination! I think my hair woud be considered medium. Honestly, I always thought my hair was pretty coarse, but I think the "roughness" I felt was due to damage. Thanks to CG my hair is rather healthy now, but I feel like my hair is thinner!

I'm going for second day hair today. I styled my hair yesterday afternoon, so while I slept on it it has not been styled for even 24 hours. I'll probably be able to have pretty nice "headband" hair, but my 2nd day goal is to be able to wear it down like it was newly washed.

I'll add more pictures today (fresh and 2nd day hair), but if ya'll are interested I do have a 2nd day pic in there already - my hair is pinned up in the front.
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