Protein DT = stronger hair?

*kicks the search feature* Yeah, I'm sure this has been covered, but since "DT" is shorter than three letters... That's DEEP TREATMENT for anyone searching in the future. *sigh*

My goal is to strengthen my hair. I was trying some updo's, and I wasn't happy to see the breakage in my hands when I was done (and I honestly wasn't abusing my hair!).

Anyway, I'm fairly certain that I'm protein sensitive in that my hair feels like straw if I use it too frequently. But would it be advisable to do a protein DT to strengthen my hair, followed my a moisturizing DT? Or is that stupid/redundant? Are there other things I can or should be doing to strengthen my hair?



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My hair gets dry, brittle, and totally frizzed out when I used protein. I find Cholesterol with carrot oil or olive oil mixed with my condish to be the best DT.

Some hair just does not like protein no matter what condition the hair is in and no matter what other ingredients are in the protein ladel product.
If you're protein sensitive, I wouldn't do a protein DT. Cassia is very strengthening, you may want to try that.
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Maybe a good way to find out if a protein DT would be good for your hair would be to try just a regular protein condish once and see how it turns out.
I was using a "reconstructor" condish every day for a while and I loved how it made my hair look, but I got dry and strawlike after a while. So, I quit using it and eventually I got overconditioned and limp/poofy/frizzy. Now I use it once a week (or maybe once every two weeks depending on how my hair is feeling) and it's a good balance for me.
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If you're protein sensitive, I wouldn't do a protein DT. Cassia is very strengthening, you may want to try that.
Originally Posted by kathymack
I was reading about Cassia... and thought about trying it, LOL! It's another case of, "But will it change my hair color???" What I read says that it just makes your hair shinier... Do you have experience with it, Kathy?



Hair is best when wabi-sabi.
2b/2c at this length, more 3a when shorter
M/C ii

Mod CG: Sept 08
Using: Suave co-wash, GVP Conditioning Balm, Lustrasilk OOC, MGA, BRHG
Humectants: @ dew point 40+
My blog for dry climate curlies and growing out a pixie: Colorado Curly
That's not a bad idea... I might give that a shot if I decide I'm too chicken to try the cassia!



Hair is best when wabi-sabi.
2b/2c at this length, more 3a when shorter
M/C ii

Mod CG: Sept 08
Using: Suave co-wash, GVP Conditioning Balm, Lustrasilk OOC, MGA, BRHG
Humectants: @ dew point 40+
My blog for dry climate curlies and growing out a pixie: Colorado Curly
My hair gets dry, brittle, and totally frizzed out when I used protein. I find Cholesterol with carrot oil or olive oil mixed with my condish to be the best DT.

Some hair just does not like protein no matter what condition the hair is in and no matter what other ingredients are in the protein ladel product.
Originally Posted by Speckla
I should look up more information on Cholesterol treatments. Doesn't BotticelliBabe use them???



Hair is best when wabi-sabi.
2b/2c at this length, more 3a when shorter
M/C ii

Mod CG: Sept 08
Using: Suave co-wash, GVP Conditioning Balm, Lustrasilk OOC, MGA, BRHG
Humectants: @ dew point 40+
My blog for dry climate curlies and growing out a pixie: Colorado Curly
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My hair gets dry, brittle, and totally frizzed out when I used protein. I find Cholesterol with carrot oil or olive oil mixed with my condish to be the best DT.

Some hair just does not like protein no matter what condition the hair is in and no matter what other ingredients are in the protein ladel product.
Originally Posted by Speckla
I should look up more information on Cholesterol treatments. Doesn't BotticelliBabe use them???
Originally Posted by ReddishRocks
I'm really not sure but that does ring a bell.

I like the fact that Cholesterol is so cheat & moisturizing.
My hair gets dry, brittle, and totally frizzed out when I used protein. I find Cholesterol with carrot oil or olive oil mixed with my condish to be the best DT.

Some hair just does not like protein no matter what condition the hair is in and no matter what other ingredients are in the protein ladel product.
Originally Posted by Speckla
I should look up more information on Cholesterol treatments. Doesn't BotticelliBabe use them???
Originally Posted by ReddishRocks
I'm really not sure but that does ring a bell.

I like the fact that Cholesterol is so cheat & moisturizing.
Originally Posted by Speckla
Where do you get it?
3a with some 2c thrown in
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It looks like this http://resources.shopstyle.com/pim/3...d45_medium.jpg

and you can find it in the ethnic hair section at any Walmart. They have more than one formula though with an added a "cone" so be careful and check the ingredients. I was at Walmart the other day and looked at it and there was no cone.
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Last edited by DEL2C; 11-09-2008 at 11:22 AM.
I was reading about Cassia... and thought about trying it, LOL! It's another case of, "But will it change my hair color???" What I read says that it just makes your hair shinier... Do you have experience with it, Kathy?
Originally Posted by ReddishRocks
Used to do it every three weeks. Since using the more natural products and bars, I haven't felt the need. There is no color change. I bought a kilo when I got it, I'm sure we could work something out. pm me if interested.
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I am very sensitve to protein, and I find that the only thing it tolerates is a weekly hit of keratin. I use the cheap GVP version from Sally's about once a week. It also perks up the curls for me. I had a date last night and did my hair after work. I used the GVP for five minutes and then my KCKT/KCCC combo. My hair is at the top of my hip when wet, but it got bouncy shrinkage to APL last night! Also, the dew point was 30 degress, which may be of interest to you.

You could also search for stretch test to see if your hair needs protein.

Oh, if you are searching for short terms, try an asterisk. Say, if you are searching for DT, try DT**. I find it fairly helpful.

ETA: Here is a link talking about the stretch test.
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Last edited by redcelticcurls; 11-09-2008 at 01:38 PM.
I am very sensitve to protein, and I find that the only thing it tolerates is a weekly hit of keratin. I use the cheap GVP version from Sally's about once a week. It also perks up the curls for me. I had a date last night and did my hair after work. I used the GVP for five minutes and then my KCKT/KCCC combo. My hair is at the top of my hip when wet, but it got bouncy shrinkage to APL last night! Also, the dew point was 30 degress, which may be of interest to you.

You could also search for stretch test to see if your hair needs protein.

Oh, if you are searching for short terms, try an asterisk. Say, if you are searching for DT, try DT**. I find it fairly helpful.

ETA: Here is a link talking about the stretch test.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Thanks a bunch - I'll definitely work on this stretch test business. Hadn't heard of it before!

I was thinking of you this morning, actually. I'm putting together a WordPress page for dry curlies with a lot of the dew point and humectant information that we've been talking about. I'll let you know when it's done.

(... and tell me what ALP stands for so I can add it to the acronym list! I've got BSL, but I know there are others...)



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Using: Suave co-wash, GVP Conditioning Balm, Lustrasilk OOC, MGA, BRHG
Humectants: @ dew point 40+
My blog for dry climate curlies and growing out a pixie: Colorado Curly
APL is armpit length.

I'm glad that you're doing a dry climate curly page! We hear so much from us eastern curlies in the humid summers that it will be nice to read another perspective. It's also good winter info for the eastern curlies. Our dew points won't get as low as some in CO, UT, AZ, or similar, but they will get low enough to loosen curl.
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APL = armpit length - sexy, huh?
APL = armpit length - sexy, huh?
Originally Posted by Speckla
that does sound sort of weird I guess.
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APL = armpit length - sexy, huh?
Originally Posted by Speckla
that does sound sort of weird I guess.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Sounds weird but is next goal to reach curly.

My hair usually doesn't like protein of any kind but I was able to use Nioxin Bionutrient Cleanser that has some wheat protein way down on the bottom of the list. My hair isn't bad with this if I shampoo once a week but it makes my hair shrink too much. But my hair freaks out if I try anything else that has wheat protein, coconut, or keratin in it. Darn protein sensitivity.
APL = armpit length - sexy, huh?
Originally Posted by Speckla
that does sound sort of weird I guess.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Sounds weird but is next goal to reach curly.

My hair usually doesn't like protein of any kind but I was able to use Nioxin Bionutrient Cleanser that has some wheat protein way down on the bottom of the list. My hair isn't bad with this if I shampoo once a week but it makes my hair shrink too much.
Originally Posted by Speckla
That is the hard part - shrinkage. I love having maximum curl formation, which means more shrinkage. But, I also like seeing length. Catch-22.
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But RCC, your hair still looks long with all your shrinkage!! I drool over pictures of your hair.

ReddishRocks,
I find that my hair is strong if I can get moisture to better penetrate the shaft. I usally dampened my hair, slather on Cholestrol, and add a heatcap (grocery bag). Your body will product heat and help your hair to absorb the conditioner.

Last edited by Speckla; 11-09-2008 at 03:07 PM.
I found a a protein deep conditioner that isn't at all drying-I don't use another conditioner after it. It's L'anza Hair Repair. It has lots of moisturizing ingredients in it. I think it's CG too. I haven't been able to find an ingredients list to have it "analyzed" by CG'rs. It's in a blue/gray tube. I buy it at Ulta or Trade Secret. http://www.shopwiki.com/detail/d=Lan...jumpToFirst=t/

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