texture = best products

OK, I'm going to have a thinking out loud post to try to guess my porosity.

My guess is somewhere between medium and low for most of my hair shaft (or maybe just medium), with high porosity on the ends.

I tend to run dry by nature, but my hair feels soft when well conditioned. There is always a smidge of coarseness, but it's only rough when I need to condition. It's not coarse the way I see with Asian hair stands, but it seems a little more coarse them medium textured hair.

On the strand test, I can't say it feels ruffled, but I do feel the parts in the straightened heir where it should bend. I can feel the straightened kinks, and I don't know if that is the same as ruffled.

I can suck up a moderate amount of conditoner, but I don't need half the bottle. With the exception of the last 4 inches, I do not like straight oils on my hair. It does nothing but sit there and feel hard and crunchy. On the ends, when applied over conditioner, oils can help my ends feel softer.

I hate protein, and I hate panthenol, regardless of season. Both build up and sit on my hair shaft, making it too thick and frizzy. I can take an occasional hit of keratin when my strand test tells me I need some protein, but all other proteins make me straw like and brittle. I can't take panthenol at all.

Color: I get a chemcial color done. It's red. It fades, and I'm not sure if it's my hair or just because reds do fade. WHile I feel the fade is a lot, my colorist usually comments that the fade isn't bad for a red.

Air drying. My ends dry quickly. The rest takes a few hours.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
I have some medium porosity and some overly porous. On the strand test I have several that have nicks and others that are smooth. The coarser ones are the ones that seem to have the nicks. I have many wiry strands, big strands. (I'm confused cuz on the blog it mentions that normally, coarse hair has low porosity).


I've got thick heavy hair (becuz I have big strands) that has some medium strands yet mostly coarse from what I have been told except had one hairdresser tell me my hair is not coarse but is medium. I know what medium hair looks like and feels like so I'd say my hair is mostly coarse not medium even tho I have some medium strands. But when I had anticurl my hair looked less coarse(not sure if it has to do with the curl).

As thick and heavy as my head of hair is it doesn't require alot of conditioner to do the job which I find strange cuz my strands sink in the water(I'm doing my wkly DTs tho), so I would think if they sink in the water they would absorb lots and lots of cond, not the case.

I am growing out a Rusk Anticurl from 2 yrs ago and I had a demi color one yr ago. The demi lasted quite some time and I still have some of it in my hair I think. Rusk Anticurl and demi color = brillo hair for me.

My hair can get very rough and brilloy and hard and is mostly always coarse but sometimes can be soft but one can feel the coarseness no matter what I do or use.

My hair doesn't like glycerin high on the list and it doesn't like proteins like heavy DTs such as Kpak. Also, doesn't like proteins left in my hair like B&A Gel but doesn't do too bad with some protein in a rinseout such as Kenra Moist Cond.

My hair takes a long time to dry.
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
Bear with me, girls I am slowly working my way through the whole hair type information so we can get down and dirty to discuss appropriate product for type. I have a LOT I want to say on that subject.

I'll try to address some of the porosity questions tomorrow. My daughter's dedication is today and I have a houseful of company, so I don't have time to do it now. I know I don't post as timely as I should, and I think you all rock for understanding how crazy things get in my life sometimes.
Originally Posted by StruttsWife
thank you soooooo much! take your time, just knowing all this info is on it's way is great!
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
Read about it here.
Originally Posted by mpgirl




wow tyvvm this link helped answers alot of questions..
What many of us used to do in our ignorant pre-NC days to coat the hair and combat porosity was use silicones. The problem w/ that was it worked too well. It didn't wash out w/ gentle shampoos, and it blocked all moisturizers in our conditioners from doing their job until much of our hair was dry and brittle. Panthenol washes out easily and doesn't seal quite so completely, but it does tame the cuticle enough to see improvement.

My hair is too porous and I look for panthenol in whatever product I need.
This info on porosity and texture has been so helpful to me. I can't say I grasp it all yet- my brain has always tended to freeze at scientific stuff so this is stretch for me. And I get so confused by all the variables.

We should make a list of all the variables that affect hair ---then we can use this icon more:


But back to my question:

Does anyone have a guess as to which factors affects hair clumping?

I have coarse, very porous, normally elastic, tends toward dry, fairly thick (as in dense), 2 hair and I just can't get clumps- all I get are stringlets.

Any ideas?
Does fine hair clump better?
Or low prosity?
Or is there no formula for this one?
Fascinating stuff, both here and on Tiffanys blog.

WIll have to reread much of it to fully absorb (no pun intended!). Its nice to know, while I have found products and protocol that work for me, the specific reasons they do.

Apparently my hair is thick in density (quantity of strands), med (w stray coarse) in individual strand texture and med in porosity. This makes sense, especially the part where she says not to gauge your hairs needs by visual appearance. To look at my hair you would think it needs tons of product and moisture; not so. It needs moderate mositure (depending on the weather) and moderate product.

Sorry to ramble... still working this thru....
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Got fresh hair dye woohoo!

I asked my stylist aboiut my porosity, and his response was, "Oh, swseetie, your hair is healthy." Ok, I take that as normal porosity then I guess. I know I have some higer porous areas on the ends where ther are some splits and where the dye fades faster than the main shaft of the hair.

He had some interesting stories of some who had hair so porous that dye wpould just come right out and not take. I had to wonder if stylists were able to turn down clients requests for certain things - like asking for a dye if your hair was too porous. He said he only did it once to someone who dyed blonde and realxed (on her own)all in a short period of time and had really damaged her hair.

He said I have medium texture which makes sense. I have coarsish hair for a caucasion, but I don't have that hair I've seen on Asians. I have true coarse areas at my nape, and my hair in general takes product choices like a coarse hair, so I usually go by coarse recs.

We talked about protein, and he was pretty quick to tell me that my hair probably only needed protein once a month because I'd be prone to protein drying me out. Well, yeah, I knew that, lol.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
Sounds great! I have course hair (my problem area is in the back, drives me nuts)!! My hair is long and layered. I do get it texturized.
I'm SOOOOOO confused?! I've never had my hair colored so how would I know how porous I am??? Back in the day when I used to perm (when I was a TEEN) I do remember they had to use double the amt of perm solution because my hair would DRINK it up...I think that means I'm LOW?
Originally Posted by DEL2C
I think that means your hair is porous. Low porosity doesn't soak up product.
Originally Posted by kathymack
I was thinking that too but according to the description of Porous hair it means you're hair is damaged?! My hair is FAR from damaged I don't even color and my hairdresser says it's strong and healthy. I don't get it........
Originally Posted by DEL2C
it doesn't say that highly porous hair is damaged...it says it is Easily damaged.
it doesn't say that highly porous hair is damaged...it says it is Easily damaged.
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Hair with high porosity is considered "overly porous" and is the result of previous overprocessing. Other factors that can also affect porosity include heat damage, chlorine/hard water/mineral saturation, sun damage, or use of harsh ingredients. Overly porous hair is damaged in some way, and is dry, fragile and brittle. It has an open cuticle that both absorbs and releases moisture easily; it processes very quickly and can be easily damaged even further if extreme care is not taken when a chemical service is performed. Although overly porous hair absorbs product quickly, it is often dry as the open cuticle does not allow for product retention within the hair shaft. Chemical services performed on overly porous hair require less alkaline solutions with a lower pH, which will help to prevent further overprocessing.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
My hair is really fine and porositiy seems to vary a lot. Some times it sucks up the products. Other times a teaspoon is too much for my hair.
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Morrignu

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Bump...after reading redcelticcurls' posts, I was looking forward to Tiffany replying as it would help me understand my own hair's porosity better. Did she reply in another thread or blog post?
Type 2b/2c, med/coarse, low porosity, medium density

Co-wash: Suave Naturals Tangerine, Live Clean Moisturizing, CJ Daily Fix, GTTT, Tigi MM

Conditioner: Tigi MM, Jessicurl WDT, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Daily Smoothing, CJ H&B Deep Fix

Deep Treatment: same as rinse out

Leave-in: KCKT or my rinseout

Styling Aids: Alberto/V05 Gel, HETT/HESMU, KCCC
I am so glad I found this post & replies. I was going crazy for the last few days. I am new to this and learning. I would say my hair is medium, but thin on top, I wouldn't call it fine as much as falling out from years of medical issues (hormone related) and more years of straightening it every day. So, I don't know what to "label" it. It has not always been this way, and even a few months ago I could say it was REALLY dry. Now, dry at all.

I have been over conditioning it for about a week now. It is not looking good at all, and I am going to stop that today to see what happens. I think I should treat it as fine hair for a while, until the top grows back in.
~Kristen
<<-working my way back to this!!
My hair when I was 17 and had no idea how to flatten it.
I think its too much information. I get overwhelmed by all the discussion of no poo, poo, low poo, cones, sulfates, protein, porosity, texture, etc. Sometimes I think, Isn't there an easier way? do I have to be so obsessed about my curls?
Sometimes I think my daughter's hair is darn close to NON-porous! She can stand under the shower spray for 20-30 minutes and not all her hair is wet, half is still dry. This is a serious trial for both of us. Any tips from you low-porosity ladies?
Sometimes I think my daughter's hair is darn close to NON-porous! She can stand under the shower spray for 20-30 minutes and not all her hair is wet, half is still dry. This is a serious trial for both of us. Any tips from you low-porosity ladies?
Originally Posted by HannahsMom
Don't know if this is possible, but I've found that my hair wets more quickly with a rain shower. I think the water coming straight down from the ceiling gives it more force. Maybe a hand held right on her hair would do a better job of getting it wet. I definitely think good water pressure is integral.

I'm older and my hair is now longer dense. My hair is also only chin length. Less hair is also easier.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I think its too much information. I get overwhelmed by all the discussion of no poo, poo, low poo, cones, sulfates, protein, porosity, texture, etc. Sometimes I think, Isn't there an easier way? do I have to be so obsessed about my curls?
Originally Posted by Myrna
I am the same way. I'll get on here for a while and start trying to figure it all out....I buy products and try them and then I quit the site. Then I get curious again and I get sucked right back in.....I remember when I was in high school I just used whatever worked and I had no clue about all this and it seem to work out fine. Of course, many moons have passed and the products aren't the same or they are discontinued so I can't go back to those days!!

I just know that I need moisture.... I always have. I've been pulling random strands and some are smooth and some have some knotty things in them. So I assume that it means that I have normal to high porosity and my hair texture is medium... but other than that I don't truly understand how to take that and apply it to what products to buy.... I get to the product section and get overwhelmed all over again!!

I wish it were more simple.
Very Curly and Thick hair.
3a/b.
I think I have medium hair with normal to high porosity. And I need all the moisture I can get!!

Currently using:

C: Curl Junkie Curl Assurance Smoothing
S: Ouidad CQ/Pureology Hydrate

LI: AG Fast Food

Stylers: AG Re:coil (super soak), then CIAB and some CHS CK on top.

**trying CCCC & Beuticurls LI

Style: scrunch and finger curl where I see the hair is not clumping well. Diffuse.
it can be overwhelming, there is so much info. just read what you want and give it a chance to process in you. also, when there is a new product out that is good, everyone raves about it, then along comes something else, and so it goes.
everyone's hair is different, even if you match up on texture, porosity, density, type.... then there is the weather that makes a huge difference in curly hair. humidity with hot temps, humidity with cool temps.... and then there is our routine -- how we dry our hair, what we dry it with.
just read when you feel like it, and just sit with it. after a while something will make sense for you to try, so go ahead and try it. unfortunately, it will be a matter of trial and error. however, if you give yourself a chance to read and absorb things bit by bit, then purchase, it might turn out better.
and know that you most likely will not have a true deep understanding of everything!!! even the curl chemist has written that there are things she does not know, ie, all the various interactions of different ingredients.
for me, it is well worth the effort. my hair has never been better. i've tried not to jump and purchase something immediately, wait to see how it works long term on others, see what they say, so it's not been horribly expensive. and there is always the swap boards.
and you can buy on the swap boards also. and kathymack has samples to buy of many products. you can pm her.
good luck!
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
Sometimes I think my daughter's hair is darn close to NON-porous! She can stand under the shower spray for 20-30 minutes and not all her hair is wet, half is still dry. This is a serious trial for both of us. Any tips from you low-porosity ladies?
Originally Posted by HannahsMom
Just noticed this!
Yes, I have a tip. Anyone whose hair is very long, very thick, or some combination, shouldn't expect to be able to rinse their hair by just showering water on the top layer.

So:

In the shower, lean your head forward and split your hair horizontally toward the nape. Lift the hair above this split and let the water rinse over the nape hair. Once it's wet, split the hair higher up and lean forward again to let the water rinse the middle hair. Repeat until you get to the top of your head.

Do this when rinsing out shampoo & conditioner too, so that you do not end up with stuff left in the underneath hair.

Hope this helps.
2c / C / iii (FIA)
Med-Coarse, LowPorosity, NormalElast (LCLF)

Shoulder-Length now.

Wash: DevaCare Low Poo
Detangle & Rinseout: Walgreens or Sally's Conditioning Balm (always)
Leave-in: DevaCare OneC (budget choice is GFTN)
Style: ReCoil & DevaCare Arc Angel (budget choices are HESMU or Got2BSpikedUp)

Henna!

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