Texture, Porosity, and other Hair Type Madness

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Funny, my hair floats for a full day before it starts to sink.

Well, for now, I'll go with normal with porous on my last few inches. On the main shaft, the only place I feel anything is the same place I can see the straightened bend. I'll have to ask my stylist about this next time I'm in - have him feel my hair or something, lol.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
I love it when this board has a breakthrough! This is so much great information. It should definitely be stickied.

My natural hair is altered with a relaxer but for now I know I have medium to coarse hair because it tolerates protein on a limited basis. Wheat proteins wreak the most havoc. I also have normal porosity.

I'm with DEL2C. i can't wait to find out what products work for whom.
4a/b Texlaxed hair w/ highlights. Medium texture & high porosity.

HG's: CJ Daily Fix, Bobeam Cheris Hibiscus shampoo bar, KC Spiral Spritz, Knot Today, CJ Rehab, KBB LL Hair Mask, Cassia, KCCC, oil blend of Avocado, Camellia, Jojoba, & Meadowfoam oils

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All this porosity talk makes me want to go douse my head in my protein deep treatment.
3b/c, CG 9/18/08
Last process: 04/05/08 Big Chop: 08/08/09
Currently: Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (summer only), Boots Curl Creme (winter only)
NOPE not highly porous according to the strand float test, it's floating happily 5mins later so I'm either LOW or Normal but I can't know for certain unless I do chemical processing?? There is no other way to test this?? I never have problems with tangles either. My little one on the other hand HIGHLY tangles but her hair is FINE so I attributed it to that.
I've wondered how you can be coarse, yet get weighed down? It's such an odd combo. I wonder if porosity plays a role in that.
HA! See? Not even RCC gets it and she's a smarty pants no wonder I'm so confused!
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Ok...I did the run my finger up my hair strand test and I feel something It's so hard to explain....but I can feel little tiny somethings as I run my finger up the hair. Not bumps (that makes it sound like they are huge) but I can feel something. Now, it makes sense to me that I am a bit porous as I can take heavier products even on my fine hair with OK results but I do have to be careful not to go overboard with oils, conditioners, etc.
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Thank you Struttswife. This thread is so helpful!

Please share how you keep from being over-processed when using permanent color. Also what is your secret for maintaining your hair between colorings?
cg Dec 08
fine to med texture w/ some coarse / high porosity 2c to 3a






Thank you Struttswife. This thread is so helpful!

Please share how you keep from being over-processed when using permanent color. Also what is your secret for maintaining your hair between colorings?
Originally Posted by meadowlark2
A big part of it is because of the color line we use in my salon, one that is not well-known in the U.S. but is one of the top European color lines. It is very heavily pigmented and the color pigments are smaller, meaning the color can penetrate deeper into the hair shaft with both a lower level of ammonia and less processing time. And it has some heavy duty conditioning ingredients in it ... my hair always feels like a million bucks even immediately afterward.

Also, when I pull the color through to refresh my length, I mist my hair quite heavily with water first - pull the color through, let it sit for about two minutes, then wash it all out. The water acts as a buffer to keep the color from overprocessing on my length and ends.

For maintenance, I deep condition 24 hours after my initial color retouch, then again at the "halfway" mark between retouches at about three weeks. And if I'm at home and not going anywhere for the day, I'll mist my hair, pull some conditioner through it and wrap my hair up in a scrunchie just for the heck of it -- that's probably another two or three times a month. I shove moisture into my hair whenever possible, which helps to maintain the color and condition of it a lot.
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3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

Is there something fade preventive in the color too? If I deep conditioned 24 hours after color, I'd lose half my color.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
There are not fade preventive ingredients, per se; with the chemical processing of this line, once the small color pigments have penetrated, they then grow and become larger so the hair shaft will retain them longer. I am certified in several different color lines and nothing has been able to hold a candle to this one yet.
- Tiffany
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3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

Are there other options for protein reconstructors?

My hair is already permantly colored so I dont know if I would want to add more color/glaze to reconstruct it. Although if it wouldnt cause anymore damage. Would a clear glaze work the same as one with color?

What would be the best way to reconstruct when porosity is caused by permant color.
I totally agree that texture and porosity are more important than curl type but how would I found out what products other's with coarse, thick, dry, porous hair use? My hair type is between an 2 and 3 but because I have such coarse hair, I can't get enough product in my hair; most of the people with type 2 seem to be fine so what works for them, not so much for me.
I've been sulfates free since 1/1/08. length 43" Thick, coarse, porous, wavy hair with spirals. Products used: WEN Cleansing Conditioner(Tea Tree, Fig, and Sweet Almond) Devacurl No Poo, DevaCurl One Conditioner. On Feb 2, 09 I had an awesome customer service experience w/ Devachan-Thanks!!!
There are not fade preventive ingredients, per se; with the chemical processing of this line, once the small color pigments have penetrated, they then grow and become larger so the hair shaft will retain them longer. I am certified in several different color lines and nothing has been able to hold a candle to this one yet.
Originally Posted by StruttsWife

Many thanks for the coloring and maintenance tips!

Do tell! What is this colorline?

I almost always end up sitting with color on my head for a very long time because my stylist is tied up with other clients. I'm sure I'm over-processed.

I just bought Ion Color from Sally's to do my own color. I was hoping the professional products from Sally's would at least come close to the Goldwell. I'm guessing that the product my stylist adds to improve gray coverage might cause damage and thereby increase porosity. What do you think? I just bought that at Sally's as well.



I'm with the others who'd like to know which products work with different textures and degrees of porostiy.
cg Dec 08
fine to med texture w/ some coarse / high porosity 2c to 3a






Edited due to a cyberstalker. Sorry, guys.

Last edited by Koukla72; 02-12-2009 at 06:19 PM.
I'm curious about which color line this is, too. The last European line I used that stylists have consistently raved about to me was Framesi. But when I did use it last year with a new (to me) stylist, I had horrible fading. Within only two to three weeks it was completely gone, the worst I've ever experienced. Granted, it was a red, but that doesn't explain it away completely. I've tried other reds, including the one I use and love now, and they're nowhere near that easily faded.

More on topic, I've also noticed that my hair's porosity and texture are the main things that determine what will work with it. Curl pattern will matter a little, but only in that something that weighs down my fine hair will inevitable loosen my waves too.

To that end, I've also thought that the reason I have such issues with quats and polyquats is that as cationics they coat and bond to my fine hair a little *too* effectively. I've learned to stay away from most of the cationic conditioners as a result, too. They do leave it silky, but actually a little too silky, and limp. I think cationics are more easily handled by normal to coarse textured hair and that hair as fine as mine can just be overwhelmed by them.
Originally Posted by Koukla72
Quats,polyquats & cationics: What are these and are they removed by co washing?
cg Dec 08
fine to med texture w/ some coarse / high porosity 2c to 3a






Edited due to a cyberstalker. Sorry, guys.

Last edited by Koukla72; 02-12-2009 at 11:58 AM.
So, if things like oils, proteins, and panthenol (as it's used as a strand thickener) just sit on the hair instead on penetrating, is that just a coarse thing, or a porosity issue. Aloe and butters and fatty alchohols soak in well.

Fascinating topic, but it takes some time to wrap my head around it.

StruttsWife, that sounds like a fantastic color line. My colorist uses Wella, and he is pretty adamant that I try no to get my hair wet in the first 48 hours to prevent color loss. Something about the size of the red molecules needing time to fuse or penetrate or soemthing like that.

ETA: Straight oils just sit. Oils in a rich conditioner are OK.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.

Last edited by redcelticcurls; 01-27-2009 at 08:25 AM.
Thank you for this, SW. It drives me crazy when a new wavy comes on the board and everyone tells her she needs "mod CG for wavies" when really, what works for her hair is going to have more to do with texture, porosity, and I guess level of scalp-oiliness too.

It'd be interesting to know what products work for what textures and why. I've heard that proteins are supposed to be great for fine hair, but mine absolutely hates them.

fia 2C/3A-F-iii, sensitive to some proteins
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Rinse outs: Yes to Carrots Pampering Mud Conditioner
Styling: a little bit of leave in and a little bit of KCCC, diffusing
Olive oil DTs, honey rinses in the summer
The color line is called Kadus. I am both Wella and Goldwell color-certified, and I vastly prefer the Kadus over both of them.

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- Tiffany
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3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

My hair is definitely porous, especially the ends. It goes poofy pretty easily and although the strands themselves are fine/medium it's hard to weigh it down. Humidity makes it puff up like crazy. It's also a pain to detangle.

I'm sensitive to most proteins but thanks to a thread posted by RCC a while ago, I discovered that my hair does like the occasional protein treatment.
Whenever I do one, my hair feels a lot smoother when it's wet and very seaweedy like. It also becomes SO much easier to detangle and the curls are less puffy and more defined once dry. I'm guessing the protein fills in the gaps and smooths the strands making them lie flat and easier to detangle.
I'm wondering if more protein in the summer will help with my humidity issues.
3b/c fine, thick, porous, protein sensitive
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Last edited by Magoo; 01-27-2009 at 09:08 AM.
Thank you for this, SW. It drives me crazy when a new wavy comes on the board and everyone tells her she needs "mod CG for wavies" when really, what works for her hair is going to have more to do with texture, porosity, and I guess level of scalp-oiliness too.

It'd be interesting to know what products work for what textures and why. I've heard that proteins are supposed to be great for fine hair, but mine absolutely hates them.
Originally Posted by mrl234
Mod CG means different things to different people. Using a Low Poo on your scalp is recommended to Wavies in the CG handbook. This makes sense because conditioner only can weigh down waves of all textures.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.

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