What are Your Tips for Super Coarse/Wiry/Puffy/Frizzy Curly Hair? TIA!

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Hi, I am a new member (I've been reading posts on this board for over a year) but really everyone else has such silky hair compared to mine so I think I need to ask for suggestions for truly ultra-coarse, wiry curly hair. I don't know which products to order online because most curl products don't work for my hair because of how coarse (truly wiry) and frizzy-puffy my hair is. My hair is kind of like sheep's wool in texture and I have to wear it long so it will be easier to manage so I need a LOT of product so I can't afford the very expensive products. I've been using creamy leave-in conditioners and curl lotions. Gels make my hair seem even more wiry/coarse/hard/scary spice like so I'm not sure gels are a help but I use them some days to try to see if they'll help with frizz.
I will post pictures when I get home next week but I'm dying for some advice as I have time this week to read curltalk while off work. TIA! M
Hi, and welcome to the board! I used to "lurk" and not post alot too.

I know a lot of people here will be able to help you, everyone is very friendly. And knowledgeable!

Let me pose a few questions that might help us all get on track:

What is your hair type?
How often do you wash your hair? Is it color treated?
What is your current routine and what products do you use? - for washing, conditioning (rinse out and/or leave in) styling and drying?
Do you use a deep conditioner? How often? What brands have you tried?
Do you use apple cider vinegar (ACV) rinses? How often?
Do you straighten your hair?

Without knowing these things, I can offer a few suggestions. I have/had coarse, frizzy hair until I went CG (which means "Curly Girl" in homage to Lorraine Massey, and basically means not using products with SLS, harsh cleansers, and 'cones) - after I went CG, my hair has gradually softened and lost most of its frizz. I also haven't colored it in over 6 months, so I'm sure that had something to do with it.
First off, if you haven't gone CG, consider doing it. I have never regretted going CG - except for one or two moments of weakness when I see someone with really pretty, straight hair. I still love my curls more.

My second suggestion is to deep condition. I know opinions vary on how often, etc. and also vary on hair type, but I have very dry hair (VERY! LOL) and I love to deep condition. Nothing else gets my hair soft. I make my own deep conditioners and leave them on my hair for a minimum of an hour, usually on the weekend when I have that kind of time. There are alot of home recipes on this board for deep conditioners (I put mine in the Recipes thread a few days ago, and I still really love it; I may do it again tonight just because my hair looked so fabulous after I did it this past weekend ).
My third suggestion is to do an ACV. I wash my hair first (using DevaCurl no-poo or dairy whip), pour the ACV over my head, scrubbing it gently into my scalp, let it sit 5 minutes, rinse out, then condition as usual. When I do a deep condish, I put it on my hair wet, let it sit for an hour, then follow the same steps for doing an ACV.
I honestly don't know if its considered bad to do an ACV after deep conditioning, but my hair loves it, so I do.

Hope we can get you sorted out and loving your curls
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Currently loving:
Deva Set It Free, No-Poo, and One Condish
MOP-C Curl Defining Cream
BedHead Manipulator or Deva Set Me Up! to finish it off.
I LOVE ACV RINSES!
hi, ok: let me dive right in to the curl world b/c i need to get smarter about it.
1. i don't use poo but sometimes Creme of Nature (sulfate free) extra moisturizing cleanser about once every 6 weeks.
2. i need conditioner rec's because nothing i have ever used seems to have a conditioning effect on my hair. my hair is ULTRA dry and conditioners don't seem to even condition it.
3. i don't flat iron it any longer.
4. it's colored to cover gray but the colorist didn't listen to me and used a harsher coloring chemical mix than i wanted. colorists never listen to me when i tell me to use very gentle coloring agents so this is why i color it only about once a year and just deal with some gray in the interim.
5. never done an ACV - afraid it's drying or hard on the cuticle?
i hugely need help because i don't have shine and i have a really bushy, coarse look in my hair. Thanks!
i'm a 4a very coarse and thick hair.
i have curl (corkscrew or S curl) but not super tight.
Hmmm. Ok. Someone with 4a hair will have to advise you on the shampooing because I have 3b hair and I 'poo more often than you do. I use no poo though, and it sounds like you use something similar.

To me, it seems a common misconception is that ACVs dry the hair out or are too harsh. I had that same idea - the first time I did one I was terrified that I was going to damage my hair horribly, and would end up with a head of frizzy straw! LOL
I was pleasantly surprised to find that my hair was soooo much softer than it had ever been before. I was hooked.
BUT: I don't know anyone with 4a hair that uses ACV - I mean, I haven't seen anyone here. People in RL think I'm crazy because "you don't wash your hair!" and "you pour vinegar on your hair???" They don't get it. So I'd see if you can find a 4a curly who does do them to tell you what she does or doesn't like about it.
You could also try a stronger dilution of the vinegar for your first rinse.
As for condish rec's, DevaCurl One C is my fav and has been for a while. If you are near a Sally's Beauty, the Bioterra is pretty good and a great deal cheaper. Let me think on it some more and see if I can come up with more.
But definitely try a deep condish with olive oil in it, even if just mixing the oil into your regular condish, because olive oil is fabulous for dry hair.
3b, with more wave than curl at the top
Currently loving:
Deva Set It Free, No-Poo, and One Condish
MOP-C Curl Defining Cream
BedHead Manipulator or Deva Set Me Up! to finish it off.
I LOVE ACV RINSES!
very informative thread!! Thank OP!
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Protein- GVP Joico K-Pak
Play with ACV
How long has it been since you've stopped flat ironing it? Straightening is one of the most damaging things one can do to their hair (I should know, since I used to do it as well). If you stopped fairly recently, much of your hair is probably still very damaged and dry.

Also from what I've read you received a harsh coloring job, which certainly doesn't help matters any.

Honestly, one thing to keep in mind as you go into this is that it'll take time for your hair to recover from that sort of harsh treatment. I found that letting all of that damaged hair grow out and cutting it off was the best thing to do. In the meantime, take really good care of the new hair that is growing in so that by the time all of the damaged hair is gone, your hair will be much softer and healthier.

Also the best thing I could recommend is to give CG a try. Getting rid of those silicones will allow plenty of moisture to get to your hair and will improve your hair in no time.
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What is your hair type? Not sure 2c/3a
How often do you wash your hair? I wash my daily
Is it color treated? Yes - Light golden brown.
I dye my hair how often? Once every 3 months
What is your current routine - Shampoo/Condish my hair
and
what products do you use? I like Hair serum, Coconut hair & scalp condish as leave in. I don't like hair spray or styling gel as this leave build up.

- for washing, conditioning (rinse out and/or leave in) styling and drying? I air dry my hair. I have consetaor sort like disfusser but does not make different

Do you use a deep conditioner? How often? What brands have you tried? Yes I have use deep conditonier often every 2 to 3 days Loreal Forify Deep Conditoner. I also use Hot oil

Do you use apple cider vinegar (ACV) rinses? How often?
No I don't use vingar

Do you straighten your hair? No if I do its once a week

I want to reapply to all these questions as I don't log on very often to this message board. I do have pics. I just have upload them thank god for digtal camera
Have you tried the Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose conditioner. I had wiry coarse that was so dry that it lost its curl and looked like this, and was very wiry and itchy in texture.



After some time with a lot of the Aubrey, my hair curled again.

Also, you could have protein issues - either not enough from the coloring, or too much due to using products with protein combined with the natural abundance of protein that coarse hair carries with it.
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Hello everyone! Thank you- here are my updates:
1. my hair is ultra-dry but not that damaged (or maybe the coloring did damage it but it was wiry/dry like this before that).

2. i do use olive oil when i DT about once a week.

3. i need affordable products because my hair needs handfuls or else it's puffy/not curling unless i use handfulls of product so need it to be pretty inexpensive.

Question: are there any curlmart products for very wiry/puffy coarse 4a type DRY hair that are cheap enough and can get it in a large container? TIA! (must post photos so you can see the puffy coarse type of hair i have so i can get some more advice!)
Honestly, I don't know how good some of the cheap stuff is. I have coarse difficult hair - or, well, it used to be difficult. I had to use tons of conditioner at first. But, I upgraded. Yes, I use conditioner that costs $10 a bottle. But, my hair is better, and I don't need a boatlaod of it now.

The only cheap thing I like right now is Lustrasilk, and I only use that as a leave-in.
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Med/Coarse, porous curly.
OP.....the best place to look for advice might be the 4a hair section. EVERYONE there is dealing with the same problems (dry hair, coarse hair, or some combo of the two) and you migh tbe more answers there.
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I have very coarse hair, aswell. We are never going to have hair as soft as people with fine hair, no matter how much or what products we use. Adding more moisture really helps, though.

RCC already mentioned this product, but I wanted to second it. AOHR is a great conditioner. It does contain protein, but is very moisturizing!
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To help tame the coarse frizzies you could try:

AVC rinses or Honey + water rinses as final thing you do before leaving the shower, adding Honey or Olive Oil or both to your conditioners, using Castor Oil or Camellia Oil to seal, using Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose or White Camellia conditioners as deep conditioners and add Honey + Olive Oil to them, using a daily spritz like distilled water + aloe + glycerin on hair and using an oil like Soybean or Rice Bran, Avocado or Castor to seal, using Shea Butter or Castor Oil on the frizzy parts of hair as final product (layer it over your other products) or under a final product such as a gel, trying cowashing with cheapie Vo5 conditioners and sealing with an oil, using Shea-Aloe butter under or over products, using cheapie Lustrasilk Olive Oil Cholesterol as leave-in conditioner, try using 100% Aloe Vera Gel on the frizzy parts (I actually use to squeeze the gel fresh from the plant), make sure you stay hydrated by getting enough water, take a Fish Oil and a Flax Seed Oil supplement @ 1000 mg each daily, and last resort using a condish or gel with one of those water soluble or low poo cones like the Herbal Essence Hello Hydration or IC Fantasia gel.

I've done every one of those at one time or another depending om my hair needs. I have 4a/4b with patch of 3c. Right now I layer bit of a Shea Butter blend over my final product to help tame frizz in my crown area, which is where I get it the most. I also do that for the part of my son's hair that gets frizzy, 3b, and use the combo of Giovanni LA Styling Gel with Shea Butter layered lightly over it.
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Last edited by madhuri_dixit_fan; 02-07-2009 at 01:22 AM.
My hair is coarse, very dry and wiry, too. I agree that it will never feel as silky as fine hair due to all the extra cuticle layers which=more friction. But you can up the moisture levels and make your hair smoother and more flexible.

Here's the gist of what I've found out (the hard way):

1) You need to add moisture at every step. I use a moisturizing co-wash to cleanse, a very emollient conditioner, followed by a very hydrating, sealing leave in.

2) If you have wiry hair, that probably means it's not that absorbent, so try to use products that absorb easily, like lotiony leave ins rather than straight up, unemulsified oils and butters. You can usually mix these in with the leave ins which will make the leave ins more emollient.

3) To make sure your hair gets the full benefit of products, you really have to work them in; since your hair has many more layers of cuticles than other hair types you you have to make sure products make their way as deep into the hair shaft as possible. For my hair that means a lot of very vigorous smoothing and fingercombing, sometimes brushing with a D4. And I always work in small sections, that way I'm sure all of the hair gets my attention.

Good luck!
Honestly, I don't know how good some of the cheap stuff is. I have coarse difficult hair - or, well, it used to be difficult. I had to use tons of conditioner at first. But, I upgraded. Yes, I use conditioner that costs $10 a bottle. But, my hair is better, and I don't need a boatlaod of it now.

The only cheap thing I like right now is Lustrasilk, and I only use that as a leave-in.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
I agree with this. I tried the AOHR for the first time today. I used very little. I'm amazed at how concentrated it is. Even with this small amount my crown was a little weighed down. My hair feels very soft. I did notice that my hair seemed stringy. I don't know if that means too much oil. Next time I may mix it with kckt. The Vitamin Shop carries it for about $8.50.

Can't say about the Lustrasilk. My Sally store had never heard of it.
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Last edited by meadowlark2; 02-07-2009 at 07:19 PM.
Honestly, I don't know how good some of the cheap stuff is. I have coarse difficult hair - or, well, it used to be difficult. I had to use tons of conditioner at first. But, I upgraded. Yes, I use conditioner that costs $10 a bottle. But, my hair is better, and I don't need a boatlaod of it now.

The only cheap thing I like right now is Lustrasilk, and I only use that as a leave-in.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
I agree with this. I tried the AOHR for the first time today. I used very little. I'm amazed at how concentrated it is. Even with this small amount my crown was a little weighed down. My hair feels very soft. I did notice that my hair seemed stringy. I don't know if that means too much oil. Next time I may mix it with kckt. The Vitamin Shop carries it for about $8.50.

Can't say about the Lustrasilk. My Sally store had never heard of it.
Originally Posted by meadowlark2
I am wondering if I should give AOHR another try. It did literally NOTHING for my hair the first time I used it, but ever since RCC got overconditioned by it, I've been tempted to try it again. Especially since some things that didn't work in the past started to work on my hair. Each time it gets a mention my ears kinda prick up again.

Oh and Trader Joes Nourish Spa is an excellent cheap condish. You can up the moisture even further by adding a small amount of honey or oils. Giovanni 50:50 is similar but more expensive; compare $2.49 to around $8. Look in TJ Maxx, Target and Marshalls for occasional deals on bulk size Giovanni products.
Wanted to let you know about my 2nd day hair with AOHR. It is definitely better than usual. I was able to pull the sides back and still have some defined curls/waves underneath. I have some frizz. But usually, I have a lot more frizz.



Are you paying attention to protein in your products. From what I've learned recently, it can build up on coarse hair. I'm experimenting with no protein for a while. I haven't figured anything out yet. I will continue with the AOHR until I get KBB samples from Kathy Mack.


I thought I paid $7 or $8 dollars for my Nourish. Is that a mistake? I'll keep an I eye out at TJ's and Marshalls.
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fine to med texture w/ some coarse / high porosity 2c to 3a






Can some of the other coarse curly women, esp.Madhuri and Jean, please tell me what are some good oily/conditioning seal-ins and what are some very conditioning conditioners for a second conditioner in the shower after the co-wash (other than AO- which I will try)? TIA!
The ladys above have given you alot of helpful information already but I figured that I would throw in my two cents.

Anyway, this is my wash routine:

1) I DC with plain yogurt, molassis and olive oil for 30 minutes.

2) I rinse out the DC and cleanse with apple cider vinigar.

3) I use a leave-in conditioner, "Kinky-Curly Knot Today"

4) I add shea butter and flax seed gel to style my hair.
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