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Old 02-17-2009, 08:06 PM   #21
 
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That doesnt work for me. Particularly in humid climates, it just makes it worse.

Firstly CG made the most diff for me. In specific: Product into soaking wet hair, Curl Ease Towel. Diffusing til fully dry (air drying gives me too much volume). And, of course, the right products for your hair (for me thats CO wash or DW, Tigi MM and HESMU for winter hair).

Good luck, it can be done!
well, right now im trying the pile on products thing. ill see how that turns out tomorrow ..

but, im really hesitant at trying CG .. i just feel like it'll be so much work. and yes, im a lazy person :P but, ive seen the before and after pics of some and it makes me really want to try it.. so maybe i will. not sure yet. its just the whole which products work for me and dont,trial and error type thing.
fyi, in MY case, its been so much LESS work then all those years of attempting to: control my bulk/volume, control my hair reactions to humidity and get a nice curl.

Way less work. Way cheaper. Way better hair.
i started CG today
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well, right now im trying the pile on products thing. ill see how that turns out tomorrow ..

but, im really hesitant at trying CG .. i just feel like it'll be so much work. and yes, im a lazy person :P but, ive seen the before and after pics of some and it makes me really want to try it.. so maybe i will. not sure yet. its just the whole which products work for me and dont,trial and error type thing.
fyi, in MY case, its been so much LESS work then all those years of attempting to: control my bulk/volume, control my hair reactions to humidity and get a nice curl.

Way less work. Way cheaper. Way better hair.
I agree...so much less work! seems like most of my hair issues came from having hair that was too dry ... remove the cause of the dryness and then there are fewer issues to fix.
i started today!
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wish me luck

2/27/09- taking a break from CG ... doing mod CG for a little to see the effects on my hair, so that i can compare and expiriment and see what my hair likes and doesnt like

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Old 02-18-2009, 08:10 AM   #23
 
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FYI - heres a styling tip to control volume and/or curl tightness:

Do your normal routine, then diffuse your hair. When hair is completely dry but STILL WARM from the diffuser twist hair into a loose bun, let sit til cool (you can play with the length of time depending on the desired result).

This helps pull down volume and loosen curl.
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I'm constantly trying to weigh down my hair and calm volume! I'm finding coconut milk and coconut oil are excellent for this. I'm trying to use them in my conditioner mostly but I have had good success with Komaza Milk as LI. I don'y get 2nd day out of it but 1st day GREAT! When the weather is warm Honey in my condish and Honey rinses calm my hair and give me good definition. I have to be generous with my styling products and conditioner or I get POOOF as well.
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i dont have a diffuser .. but i should invest in one. and thanks for the reccomendations
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Yeah, unless you always 100% air dry, a diffuser is a must-have. As someone else already mentioned, FOTE AVG is great - for frizz, for subduing it, and for added moisture. When my hair used to be a lot thicker, curlier and bushier, I used Rudeechick's trick of twisting it up while warm. Even if not warm, it still helped if I had time to leave it up for a while.

You mentioned John Frieda serum - it's nothing but non-water-soluble silicone and mineral oil, so it's really bad for your hair, almost certainly drying it out.

Is your hair layered? That helps a lot with volume and with its overall shape.

And I SO agree that taking care of your hair in a way that's good for your curls (whether completely CG or not) makes it much easier and faster to care for. My life became so much easier when I quit the constant battle of fighting what the good Lord gave me and started working with it.
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Yeah, unless you always 100% air dry, a diffuser is a must-have. As someone else already mentioned, FOTE AVG is great - for frizz, for subduing it, and for added moisture. When my hair used to be a lot thicker, curlier and bushier, I used Rudeechick's trick of twisting it up while warm. Even if not warm, it still helped if I had time to leave it up for a while.

You mentioned John Frieda serum - it's nothing but non-water-soluble silicone and mineral oil, so it's really bad for your hair, almost certainly drying it out.

Is your hair layered? That helps a lot with volume and with its overall shape.

And I SO agree that taking care of your hair in a way that's good for your curls (whether completely CG or not) makes it much easier and faster to care for. My life became so much easier when I quit the constant battle of fighting what the good Lord gave me and started working with it.
i air dry all the time, but im not againt trying to diffuse. ill have to find my self some FOTE AVG asap then, lol. no, my hair isnt layered. its all basically one length. maybe i will get layers because thats not the first time someone said that to me.
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wish me luck

2/27/09- taking a break from CG ... doing mod CG for a little to see the effects on my hair, so that i can compare and expiriment and see what my hair likes and doesnt like

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Yeah, unless you always 100% air dry, a diffuser is a must-have. As someone else already mentioned, FOTE AVG is great - for frizz, for subduing it, and for added moisture. When my hair used to be a lot thicker, curlier and bushier, I used Rudeechick's trick of twisting it up while warm. Even if not warm, it still helped if I had time to leave it up for a while.

You mentioned John Frieda serum - it's nothing but non-water-soluble silicone and mineral oil, so it's really bad for your hair, almost certainly drying it out.

Is your hair layered? That helps a lot with volume and with its overall shape.

And I SO agree that taking care of your hair in a way that's good for your curls (whether completely CG or not) makes it much easier and faster to care for. My life became so much easier when I quit the constant battle of fighting what the good Lord gave me and started working with it.
i air dry all the time, but im not againt trying to diffuse. ill have to find my self some FOTE AVG asap then, lol. no, my hair isnt layered. its all basically one length. maybe i will get layers because thats not the first time someone said that to me.
That would almost certainly help the shape and the volume. Almost everyone here has at least some layering. In fact, now that I know that, I'd say that's probably your biggest problem. Diffuser and AVG would probably still help, too.
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Yeah, unless you always 100% air dry, a diffuser is a must-have. As someone else already mentioned, FOTE AVG is great - for frizz, for subduing it, and for added moisture. When my hair used to be a lot thicker, curlier and bushier, I used Rudeechick's trick of twisting it up while warm. Even if not warm, it still helped if I had time to leave it up for a while.

You mentioned John Frieda serum - it's nothing but non-water-soluble silicone and mineral oil, so it's really bad for your hair, almost certainly drying it out.

Is your hair layered? That helps a lot with volume and with its overall shape.

And I SO agree that taking care of your hair in a way that's good for your curls (whether completely CG or not) makes it much easier and faster to care for. My life became so much easier when I quit the constant battle of fighting what the good Lord gave me and started working with it.
i air dry all the time, but im not againt trying to diffuse. ill have to find my self some FOTE AVG asap then, lol. no, my hair isnt layered. its all basically one length. maybe i will get layers because thats not the first time someone said that to me.
That would almost certainly help the shape and the volume. Almost everyone here has at least some layering. In fact, now that I know that, I'd say that's probably your biggest problem. Diffuser and AVG would probably still help, too.

thank you soo much (:
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2/27/09- taking a break from CG ... doing mod CG for a little to see the effects on my hair, so that i can compare and expiriment and see what my hair likes and doesnt like

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i dont have a diffuser .. but i should invest in one. and thanks for the reccomendations
If you're trying to decrease volume, I would stay away from diffusers. For me, diffusing practically doubles the size of my hair! Really, the most helpful thing would be weekly DTs. And CG, which you started
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i dont have a diffuser .. but i should invest in one. and thanks for the reccomendations
If you're trying to decrease volume, I would stay away from diffusers. For me, diffusing practically doubles the size of my hair! Really, the most helpful thing would be weekly DTs. And CG, which you started
eh okay, scratch the diffuser lol. will do
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2/27/09- taking a break from CG ... doing mod CG for a little to see the effects on my hair, so that i can compare and expiriment and see what my hair likes and doesnt like

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If using a hair dryer, you'll get undisturbed curls with a diffuser and not just big, frizzy, puffy hair like a hair dryer alone gives you. But, yes, if air drying, you'll get less volume than with a diffuser. Note, however, that Curlicarly is a 3b/c, which I used to be - much different than my 2c/mostly-3a nowadays (due to hormonal changes, not methods or products).

If you live somewhere where you can totally air dry at this time of year, hey, go for it. Most of us have to at least partially dry with a dryer in the winter, so we use diffusers.

But a lot of us still partially diffuser-dry year round because we get better curl formation than with air drying alone and so we don't take all day to dry. Mine does best if I get the curl formation started by drying at least 25% with a diffuser. This time of year, it's more like 75%.
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I absolutely hear you on trying to decrease the volume in your hair - my hair gets ginormous if I diffuse, or if I don't co-wash every other day. Many women, curly or straight, say that if their hair is a little dirty, it gets flat. For whatever reason, mine does the opposite - my second-day hair, even before going CG, would be huge! I would shampoo (and now co-wash) every other day, and on the off days, you could always tell because I had this huge head of hair.

I agree about air drying making it less big, and lots of product. Good deep conditioners as your leave-in, too.

And I know it can seem like a lot of work - I've only been CG for a month, and I'm still working out a few issues with technique, products and ingredients, and I'm still 100% happier with my hair than I was when I was shampooing. Even without all my issues being worked out, it's a million times better than it was. And the thing is, once you get a routine down and know what products work for you, it's a snap. Good luck!
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If using a hair dryer, you'll get undisturbed curls with a diffuser and not just big, frizzy, puffy hair like a hair dryer alone gives you. But, yes, if air drying, you'll get less volume than with a diffuser. Note, however, that Curlicarly is a 3b/c, which I used to be - much different than my 2c/mostly-3a nowadays (due to hormonal changes, not methods or products).

If you live somewhere where you can totally air dry at this time of year, hey, go for it. Most of us have to at least partially dry with a dryer in the winter, so we use diffusers.

But a lot of us still partially diffuser-dry year round because we get better curl formation than with air drying alone and so we don't take all day to dry. Mine does best if I get the curl formation started by drying at least 25% with a diffuser. This time of year, it's more like 75%.
well, i live in florida, so no problem air drying at this time of year lol. but i really dont want more volume so i will most definetly skip the diffuser. besides, definition isnt my main problem. its too much volume and frizz.
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I absolutely hear you on trying to decrease the volume in your hair - my hair gets ginormous if I diffuse, or if I don't co-wash every other day. Many women, curly or straight, say that if their hair is a little dirty, it gets flat. For whatever reason, mine does the opposite - my second-day hair, even before going CG, would be huge! I would shampoo (and now co-wash) every other day, and on the off days, you could always tell because I had this huge head of hair.

I agree about air drying making it less big, and lots of product. Good deep conditioners as your leave-in, too.

And I know it can seem like a lot of work - I've only been CG for a month, and I'm still working out a few issues with technique, products and ingredients, and I'm still 100% happier with my hair than I was when I was shampooing. Even without all my issues being worked out, it's a million times better than it was. And the thing is, once you get a routine down and know what products work for you, it's a snap. Good luck!

ahhh! my hair is the same exact way when it comes to second day hair /: i have to wash every other day. thank for the tips and encouragement i was honestly about to shampoo my hair soon because im getting really frustrated, but ive decided ill just keep trying it a little while longer and see how it goes thanks for the tips and good luck to you too.
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Yeah, hang in there, for sure - it takes time.

That second day hair is a killer - I like to call it the "Elaine from 'Seinfeld' syndrome", LOL! "No, tease it higher! It has to be a wall! A wall of hair!"
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