Oh the clumps! The Icequeen Method

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Well I'm not native English speaker either clumps are big - ideally uniform, - curls being the result of hair "clumping" together. If it is not clumping one gets a lot of stringy curls or puff, that's exactly my case and I'd like to learn this clumping sacred science but alas, the veterans seem to not follow the thread anymore.
How's your clumping, going well?
Ah!
Thank you! So clumps are bundled curls?

Where do you come from?
Yeah that's right!
I'm from Moscow. It's snowing here, too
WavyCurlie ~ That's my hair in my avatar so I'm a 2C as well.

When I put my conditioner in I comb it with a wide tooth comb and then I do scrunch it. I rinse it out and then immediately scrunch in the first step of whatever process I'm going with. (usually a leave-in)

I scrunch a LOT in the shower and out of the shower.
Kitara, thanks! I just wondered if scrunching while conditioning (with C you rinse out) makes any difference and why? It seems so counterintuitive.
I'm going to try it tomorrow - anything for a good hair!
No clue! LOL I just do. Maybe it smooshes the conditioner into the pours of the hair shaft? I'm totally making that up because I have no idea.
I just tried it! got very good clupms, not too big, not too thin When I was scrunching my leave-in they were so nice I didn't want to follow with gel, not to ruin them yet I applied it very carefully and my hair looks much better than usual, still wet though. I'm going to let it air dry and see what comes out. Thanks a lot for your help!
Hi Mariee,

I'll try to explain what "clumps" means. A clump is when a curl stays together instead of frizzing out or separating into strands. A large clump would be a large, perfectly formed curl that stuck together in a mass instead of looking messy and unformed. A clump is pretty looking and not stringy or straggly. Think of a snowball that looks nice instead of one with jagged pieces of ice sticking out or a poorly formed snowball that falls apart in your hands.

I hope that helps! I'm in New York - welcome from Germany!
2/c and some 3A. Modified CG.
Protein sensitive
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Conditioners: Curl Junkie Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner,
Deep condish: Curl Junkie Curl Rehab
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
Every day is a gift
Yeah that's right!
I'm from Moscow. It's snowing here, too
Originally Posted by WavyCurlie
WavyCurlie, you are from Moscow! Wow. I'm in New York. Were you born in Moscow? Your English seems perfect.

In New York it is very cold but we've had only a dusting of snow. How do you keep warm? What types of clothes work best?
2/c and some 3A. Modified CG.
Protein sensitive
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Conditioners: Curl Junkie Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner,
Deep condish: Curl Junkie Curl Rehab
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
Every day is a gift
WavyCurly and Mariee, I just posted a question about cold weather clothing in the "Non Hair" section of this website and I mentioned that we had members from Germany and Moscow. I hope you'll take a look at the question in that section and maybe answer there.

We have interesting discussions in that forum about everything not hair related. It would be great to have opinions and ideas from you because you live outside the US. There are other non-US curlies on that board also, but I don't know if any are from Moscow or Germany. It's exciting to me to write to people from so far away! Anyway, best of luck to both of you.
2/c and some 3A. Modified CG.
Protein sensitive
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Conditioners: Curl Junkie Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner,
Deep condish: Curl Junkie Curl Rehab
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
Every day is a gift
Thanks Curlypearl
It's about 0C here now (that would make about 30F I guess), so a good coat, a wool scarf and hat and all that. It can get much colder, too. You won't see people wearing slippers on the Moscow subway in Dec a lot of fur coats instead.
I'll go see the Non Hair section, thanks
Thanks for the explanation!

I love New York! My uncle lives there . But I've never been in new york . I would love to visit the central park or something like that.

Here in germany it is currently 8,6F cold. And it snows and snows and snows.
I have only just come across this topic and I think I'm going to give the technique a whirl.

However, whenever I rinse upside down my hair just gets so matted at the roots and doesn't sit properly until I've rinsed it right-side-up again. I suppose putting conditioner all the way up to the roots would help with this though... I'll try! Plus the parting in my hair gets messed up.
Fine texture (I think?!), normal porosity
No 'poo since May 2007

Current products (used only as & when required!):
- Naked Sensitive Scalp conditioner
- Shikakai powder
- Jojoba oil

My Fotki - pw: curlywhirly
I just want to clarify to make sure I'm doing this right when I try it. When you flip your head back up and finish showering, do you run your fingers through your hair at the end to get all the excess conditioner out? I normally HAVE to comb my hair with a bone comb and lots of curl keeper to form my curls properly. In the past I've hated how it looked when I just let the curls form naturally in the shower. They kind of stick to my head or form really weird. I have perfected a combing technique to sort of get a bit of lift at my scalp area...but I'm intrigued by this and want to try!



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I am for sure going to try this tomorrow!!
Ashleigh Elizabeth
CG Since 7/2/2011
In Between 2c & 3a

CO WASH- Suave Naturals
CONDISH- Sally's Generic value products conditioning balm
LEAVE IN- KCKT
STYLE- Ice Queen method
GELS- LA Looks Absolute styling sport // IC hair polisher styling gel with sparkle lites
HG- KCC = AMAZING! My secret weapon!
FINISH- Plop // Pixiecurl diffuser method (on occasion)

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I want to try this, but can you recap with a few more detais please? For the conditioning, you put in it combing it in through your hair with your head right side up and start from roots down, like a ponytail. Then you flip over and scrunch it in?? Then you finish showering, and then you rinse it out with cold water scrunching as you go? When you say you then scrunch in more conditioner, and don't mention rinsing (so I'm assuming that is your leave-in, right?) Just want to make sure I got it right before I go try and say it doesn't work!
I don't know about anyone else, but when I flip my wet hair upside down, the roots become all matted and the ends get all stringy. My hair's just past shoulder length.

How can I prevent this from happening if I want to try the 'icequeen' method?

Thanks!
Fine texture (I think?!), normal porosity
No 'poo since May 2007

Current products (used only as & when required!):
- Naked Sensitive Scalp conditioner
- Shikakai powder
- Jojoba oil

My Fotki - pw: curlywhirly
I tried it this morning after reading about it and having my doubts on it being any different. Here's what I did:

Last night washed with CJ daily fix followed by CJ rehab. French braided with the rehab in overnight. This morning hopped in shower, wet it down and rinsed out the rehab. Used a mix of all my left-over, less rich conditioners (HE long term relationship, Elusence moist, aussie). Combed through with my wide-tooth comb (my fingers make smaller clumps than the comb). At the end, switched the water to cold. Rolled my hair NOT flipped it over. So rinse back, then gradually to the right over my ear and finally over my forehead. Otherwise the hair would've gotten all messed up. My hair is past my bra strap but a few inches above my waist when wet. Then used the comb a few more times with it upside down and the cool water on it. Didn't entirely rinse out the conditioner.

Then I used my bf's t-shirt to take the beautiful clumps and plop and hold 3-4 times. I used joico firm mousse (can't get away from the wonderful smell and shine) and drenched each clump.

Got dressed, etc for 10 minutes while my hair dripped a bit and holding my head flipped over. Used the pixe method to dry for a few minutes to about 80% dry. Plopped the hair on a bf fresh t-shirt (he is so sweet and doesn't mind how many of his shirts I use). Did my make up with my curls plopped on top of my head.

Finally let them go, dryed pixie way for about 3 more minutes and out the door with the heat on in the car.

Fully dry at work and right before I left my bf said "wow, they look great". He likes clumpy but springy.

Now, they are a little crunchy but that's the mousse, which is running out. I just ordered MD curly styling cream and uncle funky's curl magic to try that method. Hopefully same results with no crunch.

I am a lot more disciplined now and only try one product at at time to keep under my sink clean.

Though also just did a swap on the board. No point in keeping it under there if I always pass the products over.
I think I messed it up - I put in a ton of Giovanni SAS codish did it until i got the seaweed effect upside down then did a cold water rinse again upside down put in a little bit of GSAS as a LI - it looked great was getting nice clumps - wasn't sure what to put in next so i did a bit of ecostyler argan oil and then BHRG - the clumps are gone and it's looking like a stringy mess....i'm a strict airdry or tee-shirt turban...please tell me what i did wrong...
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CG as of 7/11

Low Poo - GioSAS, Healthy Sexy Hair Pumpkin Shampoo, Alterna Caviar Shampoo
Co-wash- Suave Coconut
Rinse out - GioSAS codish, Healthy Sexy Hair Pumpkin Codish, Alterna Caviar Codish
Currently auditioning the following products - BRHG, Ecostyler Argan Oil, SMSmoothie, Dep Sport Gel, LaBellaLotsofCurls, Healthy Sexy Hair Pumpkin Mask, LI & Potion, LOOB, Aussie Sydney Smooth....Just want frizz free waves w/ some curls...
Ok what am I doing wrong??

The clumps were AMAZING as I rinsed my hair out upside down, but they immediately seperated into the little tiny ringlets that I hate the minute I started scrunching with a towel to dry. And by end of my styling after the shower I had ZERO clumps.


Help?
Very coarse, thick, porous 3B. My biggest challenge is SOFTNESS and SHINE.

Current shampoo: Biosilk w/ added vitamin E
Current conditioner: Lush Okra
Leave-ins: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, KCCC
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