Oh the clumps! The Icequeen Method

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I generally "rake it through" by putting the conditioner in right side up and using a wide tooth comb to get it all through my hair and the tangles out. I then flip forward and do the scrunching. I add a little more conditioner to my hand when I'm forward to achieve the seaweedy, squishy feel. My hair is flat to my head if I don't flip over when rinsing/squishing. I'm not sure why it doesn't work if I flip over later when applying products but the rinse flipped forward is the key for me.

Lorraine in Austin had me flipped forward also for the process. HTH!
3a Colored, Layered
Currently loving:
Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
So I tried this method this morning and while I didn't get chunkier clumps, I got TONS of root volume! It's definitely something I'll have to experiment with more in my shower. It made clipping so much easier and I had my waves practically going up to my roots!
2 b/c :: slight protein sensitivity :: med/coarse texture :: normal porosity

Location: SoCal
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I generally "rake it through" by putting the conditioner in right side up and using a wide tooth comb to get it all through my hair and the tangles out. I then flip forward and do the scrunching. I add a little more conditioner to my hand when I'm forward to achieve the seaweedy, squishy feel. My hair is flat to my head if I don't flip over when rinsing/squishing. I'm not sure why it doesn't work if I flip over later when applying products but the rinse flipped forward is the key for me.

Lorraine in Austin had me flipped forward also for the process. HTH!
Originally Posted by icequeen
Thanks for this-I was wondering how detangling worked into this routine.
This routine isn't getting me show-stopping clumps, but I'm having better clumps than usual.
So..um...I kinda fell off the CG wagon. I got sick of long curly hair about 6 months ago. I currently have a short a-line, which I flat iron, although I also wear it wavy sometimes. I still use sulfate-free poos (I'm madly in love with the Bodyshop's rainforest moisture) and silicone free conditioners.
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So I tried this method this morning and while I didn't get chunkier clumps, I got TONS of root volume! It's definitely something I'll have to experiment with more in my shower. It made clipping so much easier and I had my waves practically going up to my roots!
Originally Posted by helloitsio
I have also been doing this routine - rinsing my conditioner out upside down and using more conditioner than I have in the past and have noticed both of these things too. It has given me much more volume on top which I love!
Central Massachusetts

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I generally "rake it through" by putting the conditioner in right side up and using a wide tooth comb to get it all through my hair and the tangles out. I then flip forward and do the scrunching. I add a little more conditioner to my hand when I'm forward to achieve the seaweedy, squishy feel. My hair is flat to my head if I don't flip over when rinsing/squishing. I'm not sure why it doesn't work if I flip over later when applying products but the rinse flipped forward is the key for me.

Lorraine in Austin had me flipped forward also for the process. HTH!
Originally Posted by icequeen
I have been combing upside down after applying a leave in right after my shower so my hair is very wet. Then I flip right side up - organize my part then I flip upside down again and apply my gel. Then I scrunch out the excess water with my curlease. As I noted above - much more volume and root curl.
Central Massachusetts

One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
Ok I did this a few days in a row and ended up over-conditioned. How often are you guys doing this??? I'm going to omit the 2nd bit of Condish at the end. I'll still rinse upside down though. heloitsio your hair looks FAB-tastic!!!!
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Last edited by DEL2C; 02-28-2009 at 08:19 AM.
Ok so I just want to make sure I understand this before I go try it.

You cowash normal (right side up) and totally rinse out like normal. You then rake through your rinse out, lean over so it is upside down, then take more rinse out and scrunch it in until it feels squishy like seaweed. You can then flip it back up and do the rest of your shower routine, then you can rinse it out upside down. Do you then scunch it some more (with or without conditioner?) once you've rinsed? Then when you get out of the shower, you're scrunching in products rather than raking to keep the clumps? Anyone plopping with this method?

Sorry to be dense, just want to make sure I get it
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Ok so I just want to make sure I understand this before I go try it.

You cowash normal (right side up) and totally rinse out like normal. You then rake through your rinse out, lean over so it is upside down, then take more rinse out and scrunch it in until it feels squishy like seaweed. You can then flip it back up and do the rest of your shower routine, then you can rinse it out upside down. Do you then scunch it some more (with or without conditioner?) once you've rinsed? Then when you get out of the shower, you're scrunching in products rather than raking to keep the clumps? Anyone plopping with this method?

Sorry to be dense, just want to make sure I get it
Originally Posted by Laura Lee
With conditioner as your leave-in...no separate leave-in after that but yes you have it right. I also got a little over conditioned as I wash every day (how I long for second day hair) so I would scrunch after rinsing without using more condish as a leave-in on the days my hair felt soft enough. I plop too but only for 5 min or so as it took WAY too long to dry my hair without plopping. I'm still getting good clumps though and rinsing with cool water has seemed to really seal a lot of moisture in. Im still loving this method
High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

Ok so I just want to make sure I understand this before I go try it.

You cowash normal (right side up) and totally rinse out like normal. You then rake through your rinse out, lean over so it is upside down, then take more rinse out and scrunch it in until it feels squishy like seaweed. You can then flip it back up and do the rest of your shower routine, then you can rinse it out upside down. Do you then scunch it some more (with or without conditioner?) once you've rinsed? Then when you get out of the shower, you're scrunching in products rather than raking to keep the clumps? Anyone plopping with this method?

Sorry to be dense, just want to make sure I get it
Originally Posted by Laura Lee
With conditioner as your leave-in...no separate leave-in after that but yes you have it right. I also got a little over conditioned as I wash every day (how I long for second day hair) so I would scrunch after rinsing without using more condish as a leave-in on the days my hair felt soft enough. I plop too but only for 5 min or so as it took WAY too long to dry my hair without plopping. I'm still getting good clumps though and rinsing with cool water has seemed to really seal a lot of moisture in. Im still loving this method
Originally Posted by Jess the Mess
I just tried this method. I'm plopping currently. I don't think I'll plop as long as normal (maybe 20 mins rather than my normal amount). I'm really excited about the root curl I was seeing when I was applying products. I'm pretty excited to see what it looks like dry!
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Ok so I just want to make sure I understand this before I go try it.

You cowash normal (right side up) and totally rinse out like normal. You then rake through your rinse out, lean over so it is upside down, then take more rinse out and scrunch it in until it feels squishy like seaweed. You can then flip it back up and do the rest of your shower routine, then you can rinse it out upside down. Do you then scunch it some more (with or without conditioner?) once you've rinsed? Then when you get out of the shower, you're scrunching in products rather than raking to keep the clumps? Anyone plopping with this method?

Sorry to be dense, just want to make sure I get it
Originally Posted by Laura Lee
I do my co-wash/water wash/shampoo then I rinse then I add the conditioner. I have just been using more conditioner than I was before - a good palm full instead of quarter sized amount-I make sure my hair is saturated-I might add more if it feels like it needs it. I do this right side up - wash the rest of me then I comb with a wide toothed comb. Then I rinse upside down. I scrunch the ends while the water is going over my hair. I then add my leave in while still in the shower and I smooth and scrunch that in. I then flip up right - and once I have dried the rest of me off - I comb my hair again upside down and add the rest of my products...I do flip up to get my part organized after I do that 2nd comb...then back upside down to apply curl cream and/or gel. Hope that helps.
Central Massachusetts

One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
Ok so I just want to make sure I understand this before I go try it.

You cowash normal (right side up) and totally rinse out like normal. You then rake through your rinse out, lean over so it is upside down, then take more rinse out and scrunch it in until it feels squishy like seaweed. You can then flip it back up and do the rest of your shower routine, then you can rinse it out upside down. Do you then scunch it some more (with or without conditioner?) once you've rinsed? Then when you get out of the shower, you're scrunching in products rather than raking to keep the clumps? Anyone plopping with this method?

Sorry to be dense, just want to make sure I get it
Originally Posted by Laura Lee
I do my co-wash/water wash/shampoo then I rinse then I add the conditioner. I have just been using more conditioner than I was before - a good palm full instead of quarter sized amount-I make sure my hair is saturated-I might add more if it feels like it needs it. I do this right side up - wash the rest of me then I comb with a wide toothed comb. Then I rinse upside down. I scrunch the ends while the water is going over my hair. I then add my leave in while still in the shower and I smooth and scrunch that in. I then flip up right - and once I have dried the rest of me off - I comb my hair again upside down and add the rest of my products...I do flip up to get my part organized after I do that 2nd comb...then back upside down to apply curl cream and/or gel. Hope that helps.
Originally Posted by xcptnl
Yea it definitely does. I think I need to skip plopping with this technique. My part area definitely looks a little funky but WHOA have I got root curl! I can't wait for it to dry so I can take some pictures and blog about this. I think if I skip the plop and put my part the way I like it before it gets to drying, this could be a big winner with me. More experimenting needed like always. But I'm loving this volume at my roots!! Oh btw, I used Suave, Giovanni 50:50, Boots, and KCCC.
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Yea it definitely does. I think I need to skip plopping with this technique. My part area definitely looks a little funky but WHOA have I got root curl! I can't wait for it to dry so I can take some pictures and blog about this. I think if I skip the plop and put my part the way I like it before it gets to drying, this could be a big winner with me. More experimenting needed like always. But I'm loving this volume at my roots!! Oh btw, I used Suave, Giovanni 50:50, Boots, and KCCC.
Originally Posted by Laura Lee
Can't wait to read about it. I have had success this way with all my products.
High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

I posted a blog with pics about my experience. I'll sum it up here:

OH MY GOSH IS THAT ROOT CURL NO WAY OH MY GOSH ITS WINTER AND I HAVE ROOT CURL!!!!!
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Ok so I just want to make sure I understand this before I go try it.

You cowash normal (right side up) and totally rinse out like normal. You then rake through your rinse out, lean over so it is upside down, then take more rinse out and scrunch it in until it feels squishy like seaweed. You can then flip it back up and do the rest of your shower routine, then you can rinse it out upside down. Do you then scunch it some more (with or without conditioner?) once you've rinsed? Then when you get out of the shower, you're scrunching in products rather than raking to keep the clumps? Anyone plopping with this method?

Sorry to be dense, just want to make sure I get it
Originally Posted by Laura Lee

My hair is about shoulder length so I can pull this off but I comb/rake through my rinse out, flip forward and squish in a bit more and then leave my hair flipped forward through the rest of my shower routine and rinse it out forward. Still leave my hair forward as I apply my products, scrunch gently with my CurlslikeUs towel and flip upright. I usually apply a very light glaze of gel after I flip up. Put my clips in and diffuse. It sounds strange but works ok. Way back, Jess from Jessicurl mentioned that flipping back and forth too much causes frizz so I minimize that part.

On a side note, I had my hair cut yesterday by a Deva stylist in a salon where several stylists are trained but it was not Devachan. They were all using Low Poo, OneC and ArcAngell. No Set It Free, Set Me Up or Angell. I watched how they were finishing people as I was drying and noted they all applied products while soaking wet, squeezing water out through the application process. After they applied lots of ArcAngell (more than I've ever dared!) with people flipped forward, they scrunched through gently with a paper towel before flipping upright. The stylist told me they were told the final scrunch with papertowel "pushed the gel into hair." I haven't tried it yet but I will say my hair dried nicely, the initial crunchiness disappeared and I had very nice defined clumping curls. She also applied clips in the top of my head like you would use a salad fork/spoon. Opened them slightly, pushed through the hair and clipped upright with a slight angle so they looked like tools in a salad bowl. I really liked the way my hair looked. A fair amount of volume and my part didn't stand out. I haven't tried any of the above yet but thought I would share.
3a Colored, Layered
Currently loving:
Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

Always use the "Icequeen" method for products

Last edited by icequeen; 03-01-2009 at 06:49 AM.
Ok I did this a few days in a row and ended up over-conditioned. How often are you guys doing this??? I'm going to omit the 2nd bit of Condish at the end. I'll still rinse upside down though. heloitsio your hair looks FAB-tastic!!!!
Originally Posted by DEL2C
Aw thanks Del! I've been using this routine for the past three days and I must say that I've never had my hair wave up to the roots. I get so much more volume and root wave its not even funny. Thanks for this thread!!!
2 b/c :: slight protein sensitivity :: med/coarse texture :: normal porosity

Location: SoCal
http://public.fotki.com/Helloitsio/
http://skinandhairjunkie.wordpress.com/
So I tried this method this morning and while I didn't get chunkier clumps, I got TONS of root volume! It's definitely something I'll have to experiment with more in my shower. It made clipping so much easier and I had my waves practically going up to my roots!
Originally Posted by helloitsio
Visited your blog today, helloitsio, and I must say that your hair is BEEYOOTIFULL!
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I agree your hair looks amazing helloitsio. Still loving this way of conditioning. Thank you again Icequeen for sharing. So far everyone loves it!
High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

Ok girls just HOW MUCH condish are you all using? Palm full the 1st time and then a quarter or so for the LI rinse??? I had gotten over-conditioned and had to lightly use Suave as a rinseout the other day. I must be using too much cuz this didn't work more than 2 days in a row
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
Ok girls just HOW MUCH condish are you all using? Palm full the 1st time and then a quarter or so for the LI rinse??? I had gotten over-conditioned and had to lightly use Suave as a rinseout the other day. I must be using too much cuz this didn't work more than 2 days in a row
Originally Posted by DEL2C
I part my hair in the shower and rake in about a quarter to each side. I follow up with my Mebco detangler, flip over and scrunch in about a half dollar's worth. I don't leave any in or apply any more for the leave in rinse. I've used this much for both AOHR and NG rose & persimmon which is much lighter and haven't felt over conditioned.

Thanks for the compliments Jillipoo and Jess the Mess. They totally made my day!
2 b/c :: slight protein sensitivity :: med/coarse texture :: normal porosity

Location: SoCal
http://public.fotki.com/Helloitsio/
http://skinandhairjunkie.wordpress.com/
Ok girls just HOW MUCH condish are you all using? Palm full the 1st time and then a quarter or so for the LI rinse??? I had gotten over-conditioned and had to lightly use Suave as a rinseout the other day. I must be using too much cuz this didn't work more than 2 days in a row
Originally Posted by DEL2C
I use a palm full the first time and then maybe a dime or nickle as a LI. I was using a quarter and got a little overconditioned so I just cut it back and I only scrunch it in so mostly the ends get it since the rest of my hair doesn't really need it. HTH
High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

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