Oh the clumps! The Icequeen Method

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TY girls! Sounds like I probably used too much, I was using a qtr. the 2nd rinse/LI so I'll cut that back.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

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Ok girls just HOW MUCH condish are you all using? Palm full the 1st time and then a quarter or so for the LI rinse??? I had gotten over-conditioned and had to lightly use Suave as a rinseout the other day. I must be using too much cuz this didn't work more than 2 days in a row
Originally Posted by DEL2C
I am continuing my wash per normal...I will low poo/cowash/water wash depending upon what I need. I am only adding more conditioner to my rinse out condish. I was using probably a quarter or a bit more sized amount. Now I am using a decent palmful. I might add more depending if it feels like I need more. I do this right side up and let it sit in my hair while I wash the rest of me. Then I comb it through with a wide toothed comb and then I rinse out upside down. I hope that helps you a bit.
Central Massachusetts

One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
I posted a blog with pics about my experience. I'll sum it up here:

OH MY GOSH IS THAT ROOT CURL NO WAY OH MY GOSH ITS WINTER AND I HAVE ROOT CURL!!!!!
Originally Posted by Laura Lee

Your hair looks absolutely fantastic. I had not had luck with rinsing upside down in the past but either the amount of the conditioner is helping or I have figured out how to scrunch and fix my part at some point recently. I am loving the volume I am getting at the roots.
Central Massachusetts

One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
I still had to clip, but, did get more volume
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cowash Suave
wash CV, Soap and Sundries bars
Braggs vinegar rinse
style Watered down FOTE
DT Honey/olive oil, coconut oil, unrefined shea
I posted a blog with pics about my experience. I'll sum it up here:

OH MY GOSH IS THAT ROOT CURL NO WAY OH MY GOSH ITS WINTER AND I HAVE ROOT CURL!!!!!
Originally Posted by Laura Lee

Your hair looks absolutely fantastic. I had not had luck with rinsing upside down in the past but either the amount of the conditioner is helping or I have figured out how to scrunch and fix my part at some point recently. I am loving the volume I am getting at the roots.
Originally Posted by xcptnl
Thank you so much! Of course, I'm still coveting your cute bob right now!
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LOL! I've had to cut back on this method since I've been getting too much volume! I've experimented and cut it down to where I'm only flipping my hair over and scrunching upside down during my condition phase. After I rinse, I don't flip upside down anymore for the leave in conditioner or the styling product. I've always needed to take my volume down, because it just gets huge, but I loved this method for the clumps. So, by just doing one hair flip and then scrunching it the rest of the way, I'm still getting great curl formation without my hair getting so big.
CG since 1/09. Protein and Mag Sulfate sensitive.
Hair Type - 3A.
Co-wash - Jane Carter Solution Nutrient Replenishing Conditioner.
Low-poo as needed - Beautiful Curls Curl Enhancing Shampoo.
Cond./Leave-In - Beautiful Curls Curl Enhancing Shea Butter Leave-In Conditioner.
Stylers - Jane Carter Solution Condition and Sculpt; Beautiful Curls Curl Defining Gel.
I tried this myself and it worked pretty well! My volume isn't that great, but my hair typically doesn't curl very close to the root (even though I'm definitely a 3a) so I can deal with that.

I'm getting away with just 2 products (including conditioner) so I'm happy. I'm worried about the summer though, when it starts getting more humid, will this tactic still work as well?
Ok, you all KNOW I'm intrigued by this, but here's my question. How does this work on longer hair (like helloitsio and Del) without tangling when it's dry? I used to do all my normal shower stuff right side up and then smooth and scrunch in my product, THEN flip down and comb it all in with a wide toothed comb and scrunch. While the clumping and curl formation were fantastic, I think my hair was just too long for it, because the curls would kind of stick together oddly once I was right side up again - like velcro pulling them sideways, if that makes any sense at all. It's hard to describe.

Anyway, since I've tried that, I've gotten a haircut (well, trim and shaping - I was due), and might have gotten rid of enough dry icky ends to remedy the problem, but haven't been brave enough to try it again yet. This seems like the perfect solution, but I just worry about the tangling that results from my hair not laying right once it's dry.

So, longer curlies who have tried this with success, can you detail a little for me? Or is this more of a method for wavies than curlies, and I really have no hope of it working for me?
BB


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Botticelli Botanicals Meringue
Botticelli Botanicals Smoothie
Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd w/ double avocado oil and double agave
Botticelli Botanicals Lime in the Coconut Butter
I have to pull parts of my hair down once I totally flip upright when I do this or I kinda shake my head gently. My hair is not as long as yours but I consider myself a curlie. I would have thought that longer/heavier hair would fall back better than my above shoulder length hair. I have to scrunch at my sides and back with my curlease towel once I am upright to make sure they are headed down and not out.
Central Massachusetts

One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
I just read this in the article on the front page about Dusty Simington and his new product line (I will start a new post with this too):

Styling is one of the most important parts of working with curls. Simington has what he calls a fool-proof method for styling curls that provides curl formation and volume on top. “One of the biggest mistakes curlies make is to bend forward when styling their hair,” he says.
Instead, he suggests getting out of the shower with your hair soaking wet and leaning to the side horizontally and scrunching sections with a towel. Then apply product — curlies need to use a lot of product, he says — and use the same sideways scrunching motion. Then, either air dry or dry hair with a diffuser.
Central Massachusetts

One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
Ok, you all KNOW I'm intrigued by this, but here's my question. How does this work on longer hair (like helloitsio and Del) without tangling when it's dry? I used to do all my normal shower stuff right side up and then smooth and scrunch in my product, THEN flip down and comb it all in with a wide toothed comb and scrunch. While the clumping and curl formation were fantastic, I think my hair was just too long for it, because the curls would kind of stick together oddly once I was right side up again - like velcro pulling them sideways, if that makes any sense at all. It's hard to describe.
Originally Posted by BotticelliBabe
I sometimes get ends that are like this but I go with it while wet and pull apart what I need to when dry. They usually work themselves out before that while I'm diffusing. At first I wanted to fix them when wet but that broke apart the clumps so I just stopped messing with it until dry and I have no problems. I have BSL hair that likes to do what it wants instead of what I want it to. HTH
High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

I did it today after seeing Laura Lee's results and I'm thrilled with the outcome.

I got much needed clumping and root curl/root volume!

Used my Coconut Suave followed by Lustrasilk and Lock&Twist Organic Root Stimulator (from Sally's).

This method is a keeper in my routine.

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Brunette, almost BSL length, growing out.
CG since Feb 2008, modified CG since September 2008.

I now know my texture/porosity!! (TY, Tiffany!) Medium texture; ends on a porous side; new growth - normal porosity.

Wash: Suave; EO Sweet Orange shampoo

Conditioner: GVP Balm, Mango Lustrasilk

Styling: KCCC, BRHG and LA Looks

Want to try: CJ
I pretty much do what xcptnl does: I gently manipulate my hair when I'm right side up and when I'm upside down, I shake my head gently to loosen the clumps at my scalp. As for preventing tangled ends, I rake through my hair as I'm rinsing.
2 b/c :: slight protein sensitivity :: med/coarse texture :: normal porosity

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I used this method the other day, and got interesting results.

I got amazing clumps which I was happy about,but way to much volume for my already big hair.

I did find that my hair was more tangled and that it was harder to run a comb through it. My hair is just slightly shorter than BB's hair.

I think tonight I'll try using the "seaweed" method without flipping my hair over to see if that helps.
CG since December 22, 2008!
Thick/Coarse/Porous/3a/Protein Sensitive

Luvin the Spritz and Condish method! =)
Thanks to this thread, I broke out my bottle of One Condition that has been lurking in the back of my closet for about a year. I'd forgotten how much I love the smell of this stuff! Anyway, bending over antics aside (because this is pretty much how I've always done my hair anyway), I got excellent results with my OneC today (of course, using my KCCC/BRHG combo didn't hurt, either). Maybe the rain we're having helped me tolerate the glycerin better....
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Ok, you all KNOW I'm intrigued by this, but here's my question. How does this work on longer hair (like helloitsio and Del) without tangling when it's dry? I used to do all my normal shower stuff right side up and then smooth and scrunch in my product, THEN flip down and comb it all in with a wide toothed comb and scrunch. While the clumping and curl formation were fantastic, I think my hair was just too long for it, because the curls would kind of stick together oddly once I was right side up again - like velcro pulling them sideways, if that makes any sense at all. It's hard to describe.

Anyway, since I've tried that, I've gotten a haircut (well, trim and shaping - I was due), and might have gotten rid of enough dry icky ends to remedy the problem, but haven't been brave enough to try it again yet. This seems like the perfect solution, but I just worry about the tangling that results from my hair not laying right once it's dry.

So, longer curlies who have tried this with success, can you detail a little for me? Or is this more of a method for wavies than curlies, and I really have no hope of it working for me?
Originally Posted by BotticelliBabe
I'm hip length wet, and I find that the last few inches have a hard time resetting themselves when going from inverted to right side up. I've just been leaning sideways to get root volume without making my ends move so much. That's working better for me right now that totally flipping my hair over.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
Update:

Last night I tried this method without flipping my head upside down and I had much better results. I had nice clumps without the HUGE hair I had before.

Next shower, I might try the leaning sideways method RCC suggested.
CG since December 22, 2008!
Thick/Coarse/Porous/3a/Protein Sensitive

Luvin the Spritz and Condish method! =)
I tried this method and i'm pretty happy with the results! I had root curl and extra volume that I really needed! I don't know why it never occurred to me to scrunch in condish but i'm so glad you guys pointed it out!
Fine, 3a/3b
Modified CG
Low Poo: TJ's TTT, ACV/beer Rinses once a month or so, Soap Bars once in a while, Carols Daughter Khoret Amen shampoo
Conditioner: AOHR, AOGPB, Suave Coconut, vo5 Kiwi, etc
Style
HE gels, occasional hairspray, Garnier Fructis Curl shaping gel spray, FSG when I actually make it
Honey/AVG only in the summer

HG I fell into the craze and my hair is happy with Deva! No Poo, Angel, and one condish = awesome hair day.
My hair loves Protein!

I tried this method this morning, and wow. My hair usually will not clump like that! The roots ended up looking a little weird, but they usually do when I plop. Once my hair was completely dry it turned out ok. I'm going to try this without plopping next time.

Of course, I thought it was a pretty good hair day until, just as I was about to leave work, one of the guys says, "What are you doing? The dread lock thing?"

Maybe it wasn't such a good hair day after all...

I wanted to run home and try again, just to see if I can perfect the technique!
I have had to stop plopping with this technique because of funny roots but it's worth it. I'm addicted. Try it again...
I tried this method this morning, and wow. My hair usually will not clump like that! The roots ended up looking a little weird, but they usually do when I plop. Once my hair was completely dry it turned out ok. I'm going to try this without plopping next time.

Of course, I thought it was a pretty good hair day until, just as I was about to leave work, one of the guys says, "What are you doing? The dread lock thing?"

Maybe it wasn't such a good hair day after all...

I wanted to run home and try again, just to see if I can perfect the technique!
Originally Posted by kungfugirl
High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

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