Oh the clumps! The Icequeen Method

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My hair seems to get very temperamental when I put product through it, and leave ins make my hair way too soft and flat. My clumps never seem to want to play - and as for second day hair HA!!! first day hair would be nice!!
Originally Posted by hahgiwoofa
What kind of hair do you have? I have that same "leave ins make my hair way too soft and flat" problem, and now I'm wondering if I should eliminate that step and just use the cream...
3a/C/iii; mod-CG since 07/14/08
Shampoo: Whole Foods 365 Citrus Grapefruit shampoo (same results as Deva Low Poo but a tenth of the price!)
Condish: Deva One Condition
Styling: Deva AnGel, then SOTC with no Frizz creme
Hairtwins! Ab-star, Ledzeppole, Shellynot, soficurls and tarc817


Have you tried a protein treatment? That might help...
Medium Texture/Normal Porosity
Summer routine - icequeen method and loving CJ Aloe Fix Lite, diluted with a few drops of water for frizz control and clumping.
Curl Junkie conditioners, Elucence moisture balancing conditioner, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ Curl Queen, UFDCM,
Weekly PT (CJ Repair Me) & DT
CG since Aug. 08, still a lot to learn


But the stringlet issue really only came up for me since I went mod- CG--and the water has remained the same!

I am comforted by what you said about your wet hair being stringletty. Maybe my solution will be the right styling product. I went off all those products coz of the dryness/protein thing. But that is better now.

I've been wanting to try KCCC coz I figured a cream might be good with my hair being coarse and porous. I have been hoping that in that awesome thread on texture, porosity and other hair type madness, Struttswife would soon get to product types so that I don't have to try everything out there!!!!

What is your hair texture and porosity, Jillipoo? I've been hoping to find a close hair type to copy for a while-- are you it???

I'd love to probe the texture/porosity and clumps question with somebody like StruttsWife. Maybe she's reading this?

If you have a minute perhaps you could post the question on the Texture, Porosity thread about clumping- because I know that Struttswife is reading that one for sure when she has a chance.

I saw your blog this morning for the first time and look forward to spending some time on it later.

Thank for all your thoughts. The first thing I need to learn is to get more patient with this process!!
Originally Posted by hmixon
OH. MY. GOD. This is EXACTLY what's been happening to me! I don't have well water, but no matter what I do, I get stringlets! I've used all the same products you have too! I've also tried KCCC and it did nothing. Sorry to guano this thread, but have you resolved this at all?? How's your hair now?
3a/C/iii; mod-CG since 07/14/08
Shampoo: Whole Foods 365 Citrus Grapefruit shampoo (same results as Deva Low Poo but a tenth of the price!)
Condish: Deva One Condition
Styling: Deva AnGel, then SOTC with no Frizz creme
Hairtwins! Ab-star, Ledzeppole, Shellynot, soficurls and tarc817



Last edited by wowohwow; 04-24-2010 at 08:00 PM.
Yes I resolved this. I discovered that the following give me stringlets:
oils or glyceriny products directly on hair. I can handle products that have them in them (except in high humidity I get poofy from them)
doing anything upside down,
brushing or combing after conditioning,
scrunching or touching my hair much at all in the styling process. I squeeze product in gently.
The thing that has helped also is I always do an agave nectar rinse before my leave-in- about 1/2 tbs in 1 cup of water- that's my final rinse, then put my leave-in directly over that.
Spritz and condish has also helped alot.
I just had to do trial and error and start thinking through my techniques to see what they were actually doing to my hair.
med/coarse; porous; 2c & 3c
protein sensitive
too much glycerin and some oils give me stringlets

!!! LOVE SPRITZ AND CONDISH !!!!

co-wash: Fructis Body Boost condish
low-poo: miss my LLL Green Tea, CJDF
condish/leave-in: DMLI, Elucense MB, KCKT, JCWDT, CJCR, KBB Deep Condish, Marie Dean, Shescensit GTH
style: faves: KCCC, DMCG, AOMMJ, CGG, Elucence Foam, FSG
DT: JCWDT, CJCR, SS Deep Condish



My CG Journey:

Yes I resolved this. I discovered that the following give me stringlets:
oils or glyceriny products directly on hair. I can handle products that have them in them (except in high humidity I get poofy from them)
doing anything upside down,
brushing or combing after conditioning,
scrunching or touching my hair much at all in the styling process. I squeeze product in gently.
The thing that has helped also is I always do an agave nectar rinse before my leave-in- about 1/2 tbs in 1 cup of water- that's my final rinse, then put my leave-in directly over that.
Spritz and condish has also helped alot.
I just had to do trial and error and start thinking through my techniques to see what they were actually doing to my hair.
Originally Posted by hmixon
By glycerin directly on hair, do you mean on naked hair? That might be one of my issues, bc I've been doing that...today, however, I put my LI in before everything, so that might help

Hmm if anything upside down gives you stringlets, how do you get root lift/avoid flat top?

Agave nectar, huh? Where do you get that? Whole foods?

TIA!
3a/C/iii; mod-CG since 07/14/08
Shampoo: Whole Foods 365 Citrus Grapefruit shampoo (same results as Deva Low Poo but a tenth of the price!)
Condish: Deva One Condition
Styling: Deva AnGel, then SOTC with no Frizz creme
Hairtwins! Ab-star, Ledzeppole, Shellynot, soficurls and tarc817


on naked hair.
sometimes glycerine even in products like CK will also give stringlets. depends on the products.
agave nectar is at whole foods or other stores too in baking section.

since upside down never helped with my flat top cause my hair is so heavy, I have always had to root clip anyway. And layers helps with root lift.

Best clumping products for me: KCCC, DM Miracurls Curling Gelly and CJCCC-lite. Drugdtore products always gave me bad results.
med/coarse; porous; 2c & 3c
protein sensitive
too much glycerin and some oils give me stringlets

!!! LOVE SPRITZ AND CONDISH !!!!

co-wash: Fructis Body Boost condish
low-poo: miss my LLL Green Tea, CJDF
condish/leave-in: DMLI, Elucense MB, KCKT, JCWDT, CJCR, KBB Deep Condish, Marie Dean, Shescensit GTH
style: faves: KCCC, DMCG, AOMMJ, CGG, Elucence Foam, FSG
DT: JCWDT, CJCR, SS Deep Condish



My CG Journey:

on naked hair.
sometimes glycerine even in products like CK will also give stringlets. depends on the products.
agave nectar is at whole foods or other stores too in baking section.

since upside down never helped with my flat top cause my hair is so heavy, I have always had to root clip anyway. And layers helps with root lift.

Best clumping products for me: KCCC, DM Miracurls Curling Gelly and CJCCC-lite. Drugdtore products always gave me bad results.
Originally Posted by hmixon
Oh. my. gosh. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! You're absolutely right! A lot of my products have propylene glycol in them, because I know my hair loves/needs moisture, but I've always put them on naked hair, especially re:coil...today, I put my leave in on first, and my hair COMPLETELY changed!!! I am almost certain I have the same sensitivity you have - thanks so much for answering my q's!!!

Clips don't do a thing for me :\ Never have. I'm getting a haircut soon though, so hopefully that will make a difference =)

Hmph. I tried the miraculous KCCC the other day and it gave me instant stringlets. ANY gel does that to me. Do you think it's the same glycerin thing?
3a/C/iii; mod-CG since 07/14/08
Shampoo: Whole Foods 365 Citrus Grapefruit shampoo (same results as Deva Low Poo but a tenth of the price!)
Condish: Deva One Condition
Styling: Deva AnGel, then SOTC with no Frizz creme
Hairtwins! Ab-star, Ledzeppole, Shellynot, soficurls and tarc817


KCCC doesn't have glycerine. You'll have to check ingredients to see if there's something else. It's may be your technique.
clips works best with CJAF or Curl Goddess Glaze or Elusense foam for me.
med/coarse; porous; 2c & 3c
protein sensitive
too much glycerin and some oils give me stringlets

!!! LOVE SPRITZ AND CONDISH !!!!

co-wash: Fructis Body Boost condish
low-poo: miss my LLL Green Tea, CJDF
condish/leave-in: DMLI, Elucense MB, KCKT, JCWDT, CJCR, KBB Deep Condish, Marie Dean, Shescensit GTH
style: faves: KCCC, DMCG, AOMMJ, CGG, Elucence Foam, FSG
DT: JCWDT, CJCR, SS Deep Condish



My CG Journey:

It might be the aloe vera...but it's probably also my technique. I don't know, haha. I've never had luck with gels, so I didn't go down that road again.
3a/C/iii; mod-CG since 07/14/08
Shampoo: Whole Foods 365 Citrus Grapefruit shampoo (same results as Deva Low Poo but a tenth of the price!)
Condish: Deva One Condition
Styling: Deva AnGel, then SOTC with no Frizz creme
Hairtwins! Ab-star, Ledzeppole, Shellynot, soficurls and tarc817


Oh the clumps indeed! Thank you ice queen and jess the mess for revolutionising my hair. Best hair i have ever had xxx
3a/b indian in London
Keeping it natural (and cheap)

Co-wash/Leave-in - Faith in Nature Seaweed Conditioner
Low-poo when necessary (its polluted here!)- Waitrose Organic Moisturising Shampoo
Final rinse: ACV /nettle
Stylers: home-made jojoba jelly, aloe gel, FSG with agave, orange peel and nettle
DT: Olive oil, coconut oil...

Hair loves: silk pillowcases + FSG = 4 days of great curls, summer and winter!!!
Well I was SURE this was going to work for me. *sigh* No such luck. If it's going to work for me I'm going to have to do it a bit differently than I did this time. It's so bad I don't want to go anywhere and I already want to start over. LOL! No I'm not saying it's a bad method as I can SEE it's worked for other people. It may very well work for me with a few tweaks.

My problems is TOOO much clumping. I've got like 15 ringlets on my head and it looks crazy. LOL! If I try to break them some with my hands they just frizz and go straight. My roots are really quite flat too (that's a normal problem for me so not a problem with the method, I just didn't get the lift I was hoping for). The biggest problem I have is that the back of my head (from the nape to the crown) was pretty much stuck in that position when I flipped my head over and I have a bunch of caught ringlets and some tangles. If I try to separate them with my fingers they frizz and go straight (go figure). So no... this won't work for me. I did plop (for about 10 minutes, I don't curl very well without plopping) so that could be part of it, but that's not the main problem I know.

I think what I'll do next time is comb one last time after the rinse and do some sideways scrunching to loosen up the back of my head. Maybe I'll even comb after my gel (like I normally do). I AM impressed that it gave me clumps when I've never had clumps... but these are like clumps on steroids. ROFL! So yeah, I think I can afford to comb another time or two to separate them a bit more and prevent the tangles and stuck curls in the back.

Thanks for posting this and I do think it has alot of potential, even for me, I've just got to tweak some.

I'll report back after trying it differently.
Well I was SURE this was going to work for me. *sigh* No such luck. If it's going to work for me I'm going to have to do it a bit differently than I did this time. It's so bad I don't want to go anywhere and I already want to start over. LOL! No I'm not saying it's a bad method as I can SEE it's worked for other people. It may very well work for me with a few tweaks.

My problems is TOOO much clumping. I've got like 15 ringlets on my head and it looks crazy. LOL! If I try to break them some with my hands they just frizz and go straight. My roots are really quite flat too (that's a normal problem for me so not a problem with the method, I just didn't get the lift I was hoping for). The biggest problem I have is that the back of my head (from the nape to the crown) was pretty much stuck in that position when I flipped my head over and I have a bunch of caught ringlets and some tangles. If I try to separate them with my fingers they frizz and go straight (go figure). So no... this won't work for me. I did plop (for about 10 minutes, I don't curl very well without plopping) so that could be part of it, but that's not the main problem I know.

I think what I'll do next time is comb one last time after the rinse and do some sideways scrunching to loosen up the back of my head. Maybe I'll even comb after my gel (like I normally do). I AM impressed that it gave me clumps when I've never had clumps... but these are like clumps on steroids. ROFL! So yeah, I think I can afford to comb another time or two to separate them a bit more and prevent the tangles and stuck curls in the back.

Thanks for posting this and I do think it has alot of potential, even for me, I've just got to tweak some.

I'll report back after trying it differently.
Originally Posted by accphotography

i find that it's possible to control the clumps a little bit. you could try doing the ice queen method, but using a wide tooth comb to break up the clumps while they're forming (head down, in the shower). i watch them and once the clumps are looking like they're the right size, i start ringing out the water. they tend to clump a bit more after that.

CG as of June 28th
Medium texture/very porous/low elasticity.
Not sure about my curl type, but I think it varies all around my head.
Using Devacurl product line: No-Poo, One Condition, and Angell
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I revisited this method today and wow, I'm impressed! I ended up with medium clumps, not real big ones but that is perfect for me since my hair is past waist length and thinner at the bottom. Usually I get real thin clumps if any. I don't think I did it quite right before, so I re-read the thread. I did notice that I actually needed more conditioner than I originally added to keep that thick squishy texture. Even when I was raking in my products, my clumps remained! That is usually where I had my problem before...I would have nice clumps after I finished rinsing and then when I went to apply my products, I would lose all the clumping. I did this today along with the smaster's technique and my hair looks awesome! I have tons of root curl! It looks like I got a perm...lol. So for me I think the key is to keep adding conditioner so that it retains that thick squishy feeling while I shower.
For those of you who are still using this method, do you do it every time you wash or how often? TIA.

I tried to add pics but can't figure out how..sorry.

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Last edited by curlykey; 10-29-2010 at 10:23 AM. Reason: added pics
Added a picture but it's HUGE!! Sorry, just wanted to show how well this method worked for me.
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I still use it everytime I wash. I've tried other techniques but haven't found one as effective for my hair in providing volume and clumps.


Glad it is working well for you.
3a Colored, Layered
Currently loving:
Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
I still use it everytime I wash. I've tried other techniques but haven't found one as effective for my hair in providing volume and clumps.


Glad it is working well for you.
Originally Posted by icequeen
So far it's worked every time. Do you find that certain conditioners or products work better for you?
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I still use it everytime I wash. I've tried other techniques but haven't found one as effective for my hair in providing volume and clumps.


Glad it is working well for you.
Originally Posted by icequeen
So far it's worked every time. Do you find that certain conditioners or products work better for you?
Originally Posted by curlykey
Honestly for major clumping, I would have to say Deva OneC and Angell are great but I don't get the shine, or volume I prefer.

My signature lists all my favorite products right now. My all time favorite summer combo for clumps, shine, volume and 2nd day hair is Abba Pure Moisture, Abba Nourish for a LI, a little Curlkeeper and some Paul Brown Goo. Always great hair days.

I am currently loving the CJ Strengthening Cond., and Aloe Fix Lite right now for soft volume, clumping and hold. I am beginning to experiment with the Marie Dean products.

It all depends on the season and the day !
3a Colored, Layered
Currently loving:
Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
I tried this technique and my curls looked great coming out of the plop...clumps galore! While diffusing (using the PixieCurl diffusing method) I noticed stringier curls towards the front, however the back held together pretty well. This has always been the case no matter what technique I've used. Has anyone else ever had this problem?
Hi, I'm a newbie, have been lurking here for a while I make sort of this but never get tolerable clumps. I always get either too many or 5-6 giant ones, and the back of my head just flat.
I'm 2c with 3a spots in front. What I do I rake through conditioner then rinse it and start scrunching my gel in. I want to ask if I should start scrunching the condish prior to gel? And does it make any difference to scrunch C (the one I rinse off) instead of raking it though? Sorry if this is stupid but I'm quite lost and need an explanation
Hi!

Could anybody explain me what exactly clumps are? I am german and I don't understand the word "clumps" . I tried to translate it with google but that wasn't a good idea.

snowy greetings from germany!

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